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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: City Hall on Friday 01 April 16 15:54 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I am trying to find additional information on my Great Grandfather, James McDonnell, about whom I know very little.
This is what I know.
He was born in approximately 1866.
He was married to a woman called Annie in approximately 1896(states on 1911 census he has been married 15 years). Only one child from this marriage reached adulthood, my Grandmother Katie F McDonnell.
He was married a second time, to (I think) Honor (Honora) Doherty but I don't know if this was before or after he was married to Annie.
He appears on 1901 census living(working) in Liverpool, aged 35, surname mis-transcribed as McDonald.
He appears on 1911 census living in Castlerea, Roscommon, Ireland in the townland of Arm, aged 44.
Other Castlerea placenames associated with him are Ballindrimley and Cloondahara!!
He died in Belfast, Northern Ireland in 1941,age recorded as 72 but more likely to have been 75.
That is all I know about him.
My questions are the usual ones.
Did he have any children with his other wife?
Did he have siblings?
Who were his mother and father?
What was his wife Annie's maiden name?
When did his 2 wives die?
Any information would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
Paul.
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Katie is aged 12 in 1911 born Roscommon ?
is she on 1901 English Census with him born England or was she actually born in Ireland after 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Arm/763048/
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Hi Dathai,
Katie is on the 1901 England census, aged 3, born in Liverpool, as is her infant brother Joseph, aged 4 months who sadly did not reach adulthood.
Paul.
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VT-C59
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There is this baptism:
St Michael's Liverpool
Catharine McDonald born 26th August 1897 and baptised 20th September 1897
Parents James McDonald and Ann Doherty
The records are in Latin
Annie could be the same person as Honora/Hanora. Where do you have that name?
Is the family in 1901 definitely the same one as 1911?
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Thank you Dathai, that is indeed my family in the 1901 census.
Oh Heywood, you have (quite rightly) called me on my details :-[. The truth is, I only have snippets of memory to go on. I had the name Honor and the name Doherty in my 'memory bank'. I was going to say that these might be 2 different people,(honestly) but because my opening post was so long I took a risk that they were the same person.
So where does that leave us?
It makes sense that Doherty was Annie's surname.Otherwise, how would we know that surname? So if Honor is another forename of Annie, I know nothing about James McDonnell's other wife. He was DEFINITELY married twice. Hopefully, Honor (Honora) is the forename of his other wife.
As to whether the families in the 2 censuses are the same family, I think they are.
I hope this all makes sense.
By the way heywood, thanks for the Baptism record.
Paul.
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I was thinking that Annie was used as a shortened form of Hanora - Nora is another form of the name.
However, there could be two ladies.
I was also wondering about the name McDonald being used in the baptism.
Looking at Lancashire births, there are births for Joseph McDonald about the right time but no McDonnell. :-\
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You mention two other names associated with him Ballindrimley and Cloondahara.
Where does that information come from- what is the association?
There are Dohertys in Ballindrumlea in 1901.
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I wouldn't be that worried about the surname McDonald found in the Liverpool record- McDonnell and McDonald are interchangeable and it may have been preferable to sound less Irish in Liverpool in those days.
There are other variations of Hanora to keep in mind such as Hannah and even Johanna.
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Yes, that's fine, Aghadowey. I just wondered whether they were the same family as they seem to be McDonald in Liverpool perhaps all the time.
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This looks like the marriage
James McDonnell and Hanoria Doherty 24th July 1893 Castlerea district.
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/869e2a7063206
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Hi Aghadowey, thanks for the reply.
Heywood, with regards to place names Ballindrimley and Cloondahara:
Again, I have made an assumption that since Katie(my Grandmother) is his only child from his marriage to Annie (Doherty?),and since she is living, now married, in his hometown of Castlerea, that where ever she is, he is not too far away.That accepted, there is a court case where Katie's husband is suing a neighbouring farmer for animal trespass at Cloondahara and more seriously another court case in 1935/1936 where a local landlord, Patrick Crean of Main Street, Castlereagh obtains a decree for possession (eviction) in relation to a property let by him to Katie's husband in Ballindrimley.
Paul.
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Heywood, the marriage record looks like a strong possibility.
Thanks.
Paul.
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I am assuming that Ballindrimley is Ballindrumlea in censuses so perhaps, as I said, Annie was from there.
You will be able to send off for the marriage certificate to find out more details.
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Hi heywood. Thanks for all your help. I will get a photocopy of the marriage cert the next time I am in Dublin. It is much cheaper than getting the GRO in Roscommon to send me one, and contains the same info.
Does anyone with local Castlerea knowledge know if Ballindrimley and Ballindrumlea are the same or different places?
Thanks again.
Paul.
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I would say it is if you check with maps.
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You can use this site to locate townlands on a map-
http://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/castlereagh/kilkeevin/ballindrumlea/
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Thanks Aghadowey.
I notice when I 'drill down' into some of the links provided in the map, for example Logainm.ie ,this townland is known as both Ballindrumlea and Ballindrimley (and quite a few more variations on a theme), thereby confirming heywood's assertion.
Also I notice that one of the bordering townlands is called Cloonarragh, which is probably the correct name/spelling of the townland printed as Cloondahara in the newspaper article I found.
Thanks again.
Paul.
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Hi heywood. Thanks for all your help. I will get a photocopy of the marriage cert the next time I am in Dublin. It is much cheaper than getting the GRO in Roscommon to send me one, and contains the same info.
Does anyone with local Castlerea knowledge know if Ballindrimley and Ballindrumlea are the same or different places?
Thanks again.
Paul.
You can order a photocopy by post and they will email it to you.
See http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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Hi Sinann,
I didn't know you can now get the photocopy certificates via e-mail.
Thanks for that.
Paul.
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hi city hall
from what we was told kate was born in Ireland and not Liverpool how true this is I don't know I do have the marriage cert of grandmar and granddad seeley