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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Carmarthenshire => Wales => Carmarthenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ahamilton747 on Saturday 02 April 16 11:00 BST (UK)
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Greetings,
I am new to the forum.
I am researching my maternal grandmother:
Rebecca Fanny Lowe. Llanelly, Wales.
I calculate the date of birth approx. 1888. (UK Census docs.)
She repeatedly listed Llanelly, Wales as the place of birth on travel and immi. docs. and listed herself as a Welsh language native speaker.
She appears in the UK 1901 and 1911 Census before her emigration to Canada and eventually the USA.
In one travel doc she lists a possible sister: Mrs. Eid?? Williams, of Cumlynfell, Wales.
I can find no birth cert. for Rebecca. Could she have lived or have been birthed in the Workhouse?
Also, she spent her life in service from an early age. I would dearly like to do her justice!
Many thanks for any assistance and advice you may render. Much appreciated!
Allen H.
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Hi
Welcome to rootschat :)
In 1901 She is living in Weybridge, Surrey with William R Seborn and his wife Ede. Ruth. She is listed as their niece :)
William married Ede Ruth LOWE in 1898
Marriages Mar 1898
Lowe Ede Ruth
SEABORN William Robert
Henley 3a 985
Ede Ruth was born in Oxfordshire
Births Mar 1869
Ede Ruth Lowe Henley 3a 606
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Just for the record there is a baptism of an Eed Lowe in LLanelly 1st December 1885 parents Frederick & Mary :-\ Maybe this is her sister
There is a birth registration around the right time but it is in Kent ::)
Birth Sep qtr 1885
Eed Lowe
Medway reg district 2a 572
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Wow! Fantastic! That must be a speed record as well!
I have the 1901 info and there is a good "Lowe Edwards" Family Tree on Ancestry.com. Since Rebecca is listed a "niece" to the Seaborns (1901) I figured that she must be a daughter of one of Ede Ruth Seaborn''s siblings. Probably a brother or sister (out of wedlock?).
I'll work on the Eed Lowe info for Llanelly, and her parents, that is very exciting.
Many thanks for your kind efforts and help with this. Very encouraging.
AH
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Hi again,
Can you please tell me the source of the baptismal info for Eed Lowe, Llanelly, Dec. 1, 1885? I am not getting anything close to that online (ancestry.com). Is this an unpublished source? Church record, etc.? Many thanks!
AH
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FindMyPast has Welsh records with copies of registers.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCG9-L95
I can't see anything regarding Rebecca Fanny before 1901. I see that Ede Ruth Lowe had a sister of that name. Does R.F give any information on her father when she marries.
One of the Ancestry trees has a brother Frederick for Ede Ruth. I can't see him after 1871 when he is a Butchers servant. The fathers occupation on the christening was Butcher.
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Many thanks! I copied the record, thanks.
Please resolve my confusion re the spellings of Llanelly/Llanelli. I see the larger LLanelli on current maps. Also, I see the small village near Abergivenny in the hills. Which one are we concerned with in 1888? Thanks.
I have seen the other persons you reference, the brother Fred (also there is another bro. in the Army).
Re: the other Rebecca Fanny Lowe. Very confusing. The other Rebecca has different dates and dies in 1948 in the UK.
My Rebecca Fanny Lowe was younger (but no birth cert!) and died in San Diego Approx. 1929 (my grandmother). However, I have no real proof of the UK chain of births and other dates. I do have gov. docs for the US trail. I sent and inquiry to the person that constructed the excellent "Lowe Edwards Family Tree" on Ancestry.com and am waiting for a reply to help resolve this, if possible (if she knows).
Many thanks for your efforts!
AH
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Welsh names are a mystery to me too ;D ;D If in doubt I google
This is yours
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanelli
This is the other though it's showing LLanelli in the url
http://www.genuki.org.uk/files/wal/BRE/Llanelli/index.html
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Wonderful. I can concentrate my resources on the correct one now.
Thanks!
AH
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When did Rebecca leave England
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Hi!
I show her on the Canadian Arrival 1865-1956 sheet:
Rebecca Fanny Lowe.
Arr. 23 May, 1913. Quebec, from Liverpool. Destination: Vancouver, BC.
Then she crosses to the USA on Oct, 1914.
Many thanks!
AH
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there's more than one Eed Lowe. The one whose birth was registered in Medway, Kent and baptised in Llanelli was the daughter of Frederick & Mary. The other one was the aunt of your Rebecca Fanny & appears with her parents on the 1871 census
High St, Watlington, Oxfordshire RG10/1428 folio 44 pg 15
John Lowe head mar 46 cordwainer
Rebecca wife 42 b. Emmington
Elizabeth dau 14
Jem son 12
Eliza S dau 11
Rebecca dau 6
Charles W son 3
Ede Ruth dau 2
all born Watlington except where noted
The same family in 1861 has a son called Frederick
High St, Watlington RG9/884 folio 27 pg 23
John Lowe head mar 36 cordwainer (master)
Rebecca wife 34 binder
George son 11
John son 9
Frederick son 8
Elizabeth H E dau 4
Jem son 2
Eliza L dau 1
all born Watlington except Rebecca
There's a death registered in Henley sept qtr 1878 for Eed Lowe aged 82, possible mother of John.
Even if Rebecca was born in the workhouse, there should be a birth certificate.
Llanelli in Carmarthenshire used to appear as Llanelly, but the spelling has been Llanelli since the 1960s. The other place name you give should be Cwmllynfell
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangiwg/Cwmllynfell
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this could be your Rebecca in 1891
Velinfach, Ystalyfera, (parish of Llangiwg) RG12/4468 folio 23 pg 42
Henry Smith head mar 36 peddlar b. Reading, Berkshire
Mary wife 29 b. Llanelly
William H son 12 b. Llanelly
Eed dau 5 b. Chatham, Kent
Rebecca dau 2 b. Llanelly
There are death registrations which could explain why Rebecca is with relatives in 1901
Mary Smith 36 june qtr 1897 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 36
or Mary Smith 40 june qtr 1901 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 504
Henry Smith 47 dec qtr 1900 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 495
So are Frederick Lowe & Henry Smith one and the same ?
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Fantastic! I am stunned at what you found. I will get online and retrieve the items and ponder. I will return tomorrow or when I can. Many, many thanks for all of your help.
Now time to reflect!
All the best. :)
AH
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Fantastic! Many thanks for your question re the name of Rebecca's father. So, I dug out the marriage cert. for Rebecca and her husband Isaac in San Diego, 02 June, 1923.
She lists father as:
Frederick Lowe, born England.
Mother: Mary Williams, born Wales.
I had forgotten all about those papers, I gathered so long ago! We are now making progress. I am very excited and will have trouble sleeping tonight!
All the best.
AH
P.S. She again lists her birthplace as: South Wales.
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I think Eed may have married as Edith Smith dec qtr 1903 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 1497 to Howell Gordon Williams.
There is this entry from the free index to the 1911 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXN-T54
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I have just come back to this - excellent find Osprey ;D
Rosie
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wish I could find some evidence to show Henry Smith & Frederick Lowe are the same person, but I've just found Rebecca's baptism & it has Henry's occupation as butcher, and Fred Lowe was a butcher's assistant in 1871.
Baptism was 26 Aug 1890 in the parish church of Llanguicke/Llangiwg for Rebecca dau of Henry & Mary Smith, abode Ystalyfera.
The couple also baptised a daughter Elizabeth Anne on 9 March 1890. Her death was registered Elizabeth Ann Smith 0 sept qtr 1890 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 375, no obvious birth reg for her.
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a few more records from Llanguicke parish
Elizabeth Ann Smith buried 9 July 1890 aged 5 months
Ruth Smith bp 7 May 1891 dau of Henry & Mary, Gurnos, Ystalyfera, father a pedler.
Ruth Smith buried 14 Dec 1891 aged 7 months
Maud Smith bp 13 Nov 1892 dau of Henry & Mary, Ystalyfera, father a butcher
Maud Smith buried 9 Aug 1893 aged 10 months
Fanny Smith bp 30 April 1896 dau of Henry & Mary, Graig, father a hawker
Mary Smith of Ystalyfera buried 26 June 1897 aged 35
There are birth regs for
Ruth Smith june qtr 1891 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 854
Maud Smith dec qtr 1892 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 817
Fanny Smith june qtr 1896 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 927
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Henry Smith was supposedly born in Berkshire and Frederick Lowe was born in Oxfordshire which would suggest they were not one and the same.
Isobel
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Henry Smith was supposedly born in Berkshire and Frederick Lowe was born in Oxfordshire which would suggest they were not one and the same.
Isobel
They are only 15 miles apart. If the reason for the name change is he is trying to hide his identity then I would say it is reasonable to assume they could be the same person.
Maybe newspapers have a clue :-\
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It may be an idea to obtain the birth certificate of Eed (Chatham) so that you have Mary's maiden name.
I cannot see a marriage between a Frederick Lowe and Mary Williams
She lists father as:
Frederick Lowe, born England.
Mother: Mary Williams, born Wales.