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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: Pennines on Thursday 07 April 16 09:57 BST (UK)
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Hello Folks,
I'm afraid I am back again having moved onto my husband's maternal family ancestry (after pestering you all with the paternal side in Kildare!)
All I want to know at this point, is whether the Delvin Registration District changed at some point to Mullingar please?
I have attempted to search for information about this - but nothing comes up.
The areas of interest are Collinstown, Kilcumny, Taghmon - which fell into Delvin Reg Dist initially.
In the 1900s I am struggling to find BMDs for the family cropping up on the Civil Registration Index in Delvin though - and hence I am wondering if there was a change.
Many thanks in advance.
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We seem to be almost connected :D
My lot are Collinstown area and Kildare as well.
This is a good site for Reg districts
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Ireland-civil-registration.html
as you can see changes are included.
I'm not aware of any change for Delvin, all my Collinstown lot show up in Delvin right across the date range.
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Sinann -- many thanks for your speedy reply.
I have to admit I wasn't finding any change to it - but nor was I finding BMDs after about 1920 in Delvin.
Re possible connection --- I did correspond with you some time ago regarding the Collinstown connection and you were very helpful. I was just dipping my toe in the water then - now I am trying to write a detailed family history.
The name Partland crops up as a sideways connection actually in Collinstown. Mary Josephine Partland, cousin of my mother-in-law's mother, Kate Travers, was brought up with Kate Travers and a witness at her marriage.
Mary Josephine Partland was the daughter of Ellen Travers and her husband William 'Partlen' - who never seem to live together! (I love a mystery)
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I remember I was looking at Ellen and William one night, I was thinking William might be a brother of my great grandmother Catherine Partland/Nugent but I don't think I followed it through at the time.
Life is pure chaos at the moment but I'll check my notes later.
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People are allowed to move!
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Hallmark - thank you. I might not be the brightest button in the box when it comes to Irish research, but even I realised that people were allowed to move.
Some Registration Districts in England did change over time - I merely wondered if the same thing had happened in Southern Ireland, when I was suddenly unable to find records I was expecting to find in Delvin.
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Depending on what site you are using, it could be date limit of a particular site, FamilySearch has later dates than Irish Genealogy.
Also I think (I've no proof) the War of Independence interfered a bit with everyone getting registered. My grandparents married in Collinstown in 1922 and they have no marriage cert.
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Thank you, Sinann - I am actually using the Civil Reg Index on Ancestry - which goes up to 1958. Interesting what you have said though, about no marriage cert for your grandparents.
I'll battle on!
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I'd forgotten about this thread.
I see from William and Ellen's marriage that William's father was Philip.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10372/5776310.pdf
So William isn't my great grandmother Catherine's brother, Catherine's father was a William. I still haven't found out what happened to her brother William.
Do you ever find the record you were looking for?
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Hi Sinann,
How kind of you to come back to this and check whether I managed to progress the 'missing' records.
I didn't - but wrote up the family history of the Daly and Travers families simply having to omit the details I couldn't find. I did find lots though, which made up for the omissions -- including the receipt of 42 pages of Military records for Michael Daly --- sent by Dublin Military Archives.
I was amazed to find that these were provided free of charge and when I enquired about at least making a donation - I was told they didn't have facilities to accept donations!
As a follow on snippet - the daughter of William Partland and Ellen Travers (from the Travers family I researched) was named Mary Josephine Partland -- a couple of years ago I went to a talk about Oscar Wilde - and it was mentioned that Oscar Wilde's father had a mistress named Mary Josephine Travers! This was in Dublin apparantly and many years prior to the births of the Travers/Partlands in the tree. However I thought the names Mary Josephine, combined with the surname of Travers - were such a coincidence.
Thank you again for your message.
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Oh interesting, names do travel down through the generations and Partland isn't a common surname so I'd say there is a good chance of connection, possibly quite distant but existing. Nice little story to have in either case. Lucky you.
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I haven't explored it at all -- but now you have said that I may just see what I can see.......! Although, the mistress was named Mary Josephine Travers - her surname was the maiden name of Mary Josephine Partland's mother.
We'll see (or not - as the case may be.)
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Travers of course, just as well I got my eyes tested today, I knew I needed to..:D I'll be flying when I get the glasses.
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Sinann -- you clearly didn't see the photograph of a Specsavers van which had crashed into a lamp post in Liverpool!
You can imagine the comments the Liverpudlians were making about that!
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:D
Reminds me of the day the Goodyear truck blocked up the footpath on the bend near our house due to a flat tyre. My father was out with the camera, wonder where those photos went.
I didn't go to Specsavers I went to girl up the road from me. More expensive but so much easier, I could leave the house at 25 past for a half past appointment, no driving or looking or paying for parking.
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That's hilarious Sinann -- these days such a photo would do the rounds on circulating jokes or the like - or 'social media' as they call it.
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Just looked for info about Oscar Wilde's father (we are going dreadfully off topic here -- sorry) -- but there is an article about him in Wikipedia, including information about his affair with a Mary Travers. We were told at the talk about Oscar, that her name was Mary Josephine Travers, so probably that was her full name.
Seems Oscar's Father was quite a clever and important (as well as a womanising) man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilde
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Her father was Professor Robert Travers.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/30101176?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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There is a GENi entry which claims he died in 1888.
This may be his death, I don't understand the occupation, he was still married at the time, informant was Isobel Travers but it doesn't give her relationship to him.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06178/4766274.pdf
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Great finds Sinann.
I can't make out the occupation of Robert Travers either -- but thank you very much. I doubt they are connected to the Westmeath Travers -- just a coincidence of the Mary Josephine Partland whose mother's maiden name was Travers.
Interesting story about Oscar Wilde's father also. (I only remembered it due to pricking up my ears during the talk when I heard the name of his mistress!)
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He is in the Will Calendars
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014902/005014902_00373.pdf
Of course the name could be a coincidence or there could be a connection somewhere to a great x?
grandmother who had that name but finding that would be a big ask.
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I think his occupation is
A.M (artium magister, what we would call M.A.)
MB
(Dub)
Was he a doctor of some sort?
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Just looked for info about Oscar Wilde's father (we are going dreadfully off topic here -- sorry) -- but there is an article about him in Wikipedia, including information about his affair with a Mary Travers. We were told at the talk about Oscar, that her name was Mary Josephine Travers, so probably that was her full name.
Seems Oscar's Father was quite a clever and important (as well as a womanising) man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilde
|Half sisters Buried Drumsnat, Monaghan
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-drumsnat/target20.html
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Yes -- you are right. He was indeed quite an eminent Doctor.
Interestingly he became a medical commissioner for the Irish census in 1841 - and was awarded a knighthood in the 1860s for his work with censuses (according to Wikipedia).
At the same talk where I heard about Sir William Wilde, (Oscar Wilde's father), the speaker mentioned something about illnesses of individuals being shown on the 1841 Irish census - but I have never heard or seen anything about this elsewhere.
Well spotted, Dublin1850.
Thank you also Sinann and Hallmark for your very interesting finds.
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The 2 half sisters were the ones who tragically died when their dresses caught fire. How generous of the Oscar Wilde Society to donate a new headstone for them.
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Yes -- you are right. He was indeed quite an eminent Doctor.
Interestingly he became a medical commissioner for the Irish census in 1841 - and was awarded a knighthood in the 1860s for his work with censuses (according to Wikipedia).
At the same talk where I heard about Sir William Wilde, (Oscar Wilde's father), the speaker mentioned something about illnesses of individuals being shown on the 1841 Irish census - but I have never heard or seen anything about this elsewhere.
Well spotted, Dublin1850.
Thank you also Sinann and Hallmark for your very interesting finds.
https://archive.org/stream/lifeoscarwilde00shergoog#page/n22/mode/2up and next few pages
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Hallmark -- what a truly interesting book. Written in the 'old' style and such a lot of information about Oscar Wilde's parents.
Fascinating that his mother thought her baby was going to be a girl -- with the allegation that she initially treated him as one.
I have read about 15 pages so far, but intend going back to it. Thank you so much for the link.
(Really need to change title of this topic to Westmeath Registration Districts followed by Oscar Wilde!!)