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Title: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Helina on Thursday 07 April 16 11:22 BST (UK)
What happened to this family after 1860?

Parents Richard and Charlotte Charman die in the early 1840s leaving 7 children

Charlotte Louisa Charman born 1809 marries my Great Grandfather x Bartholomew Price born 1807 in 1832.

Samuel Charman born 1817, in 1851 he is a Sawyer, afterwards nothing.
Richard Charman born 1821, marries Elizabeth Crundell in 1858, on the 1861 census they have a wet child William Edwards born 1860, afterwards nothing
Henry Charman born 1824, dies 1844
William Charman born 1826, dies 1843
John Charman born 1831, marries Jane Price in 1860 than nothing
George Charman born 1836, living with his Uncle and Aunt Bartholomew and Charlotte Price in 1851, then nothing.

All baptised in Ludlow.

Found interesting is John marring Jane Price, wander if she would be related to my Price family. Her father was called James Price, that is all the information I can find so far.

Any help would be appreciated.

helina
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 07 April 16 11:36 BST (UK)
George Charman born 1836, living with his Uncle and Aunt Bartholomew and Charlotte Price in 1851, then nothing.

George Charman aged 17, of Bell Lane, was buried at Ludlow on 20 July 1853.
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Helina on Thursday 07 April 16 11:43 BST (UK)
Thank you Avm,  That's 3 sons that died young.

helina
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 07 April 16 12:00 BST (UK)

Charlotte Louisa Charman born 1809 marries my Great Grandfather x Bartholomew Price born 1807 in 1832.


I know it's not what you asked for, but their marriage date appears in fact to be 17 November 1836.

Children baptised at Ludlow before the marriage:

21 Jan 1831: Bartholomew, son of Charlotte Charman, dressmaker, of Goalford.
12 Sep 1832: Emily, daughter of Charlotte Charman, dressmaker, of Goalford.
22 Jan 1835: Maria, daughter of Charlotte Charman, shoebinder, of Goalford.
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Helina on Thursday 07 April 16 12:13 BST (UK)
I have Bartholomew and Charlotte as marrying on the 10 June 1832, Shropshire.  On Find My Past see the banns where called on the 27 May 1832 again on the 16 October 1836 and the marriage on the 17 Nov 1836.  Oh why did they not marry until 1837 certificate could be ordered  ???.

Maria was my Great Grandmother x 2.

Wander where I got the 10th June 1832 from  ???

helina
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 07 April 16 12:18 BST (UK)

Oh why did they not marry until 1837 certificate could be ordered  ???.


You can see the 1836 marriage register entry for yourself on Findmypast - Shropshire Marriages collection.

Perhaps they had banns called in 1832 but did not go ahead and marry then for some reason?
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Helina on Thursday 07 April 16 12:22 BST (UK)
Found it thanks,
helina
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Colin Charman on Thursday 02 May 19 12:41 BST (UK)
The Charman family in Ludlow were also regularly recorded as Charmer - I simply don't know which is the correct spelling.  They may have been a splinter from the Charman family around Solihull/Redditch or a more-distant splinter from the Sussex/Surrey charmans - or not really Charmans at all!

I've included them in my one-name study of the Charmans, but if you want to follow them, you have to look under both names.

Some of them migrated to Cannock, Staffordshire - eg John CHarman/Charmer born Ludlow in 1931, who was recorded as John Chalmer in the 1911 census. He was married to Jane Price 28 Oct 1860 in Ludlow.
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: jillrose on Thursday 02 May 19 18:01 BST (UK)
Hi Colin, Here's a stray Charman for you:

Chirk, Denbighshire

3 April 1894 marriage by Banns of
Sarah Jane CHARMAN sp/23 of Chirk d/o James CHARMAN (game keeper)
& Joshua F. POWELL (butler) ba/24 of Shrewsbury s/o William POWELL (Gentleman)

Jill Rose (clwydsurnames.org.uk)
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 04 May 19 20:42 BST (UK)
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_XSAL_8_R314022

    Place:
    Shropshire Archives
    System Reference:
    XSAL/8/R314022
    Document Reference:
    2030/3/88-100
    Date:
    26 June 1821
    Level:
    file
    Description:
    1. Richard Barns Cooke of Ludlow, yeoman and Charlotte his wife, (which R.B. Cooke, Samuel Cooke and Charlotte wife of Richard Charman were the only children of John Cooke late of Ludlow, mason, by Sarah his wife, nee Barns, both decd.)
    2. John Harding of Ludlow, maltster, executors of Richard Barns once of Ludlow, currier, decd.
    Will of Richard Barns of 15 March 1787 - executors and trustees Harding and Thomas Meredith, decd.
    Consideration: 66 1s R.B. Cooke quitclaims and releases to Harding all actions and debts etc.
    Enclosed
    Letters
    21 June 1821 James South to Harding
    23 June 1821 W. Nurse to Mr Harding
    Account - Cookes and Charman to Adams & Anderson June 1821
    Note of Richard Barns's will
    2 accounts of executor
    Note re dividend of 200
    7 July 1821 Letter from J. South to Anderson
    14 July 1821 Letter from J. South to Anderson
    3 November 1821 Letter to G. Anderson, solicitor from Henry Lang, Fen-church St.
    22 November 1821 Copy letter to Mr Lang from G. Anderson
    January 1822 Letter from Ben. Pugh to Adams & Anderson.
    Held At:
    Shropshire Archives
    Access Status:
    Readers Ticket
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 04 May 19 20:45 BST (UK)
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_X11_14_4_4_3_991

    Place:
    Shropshire Archives
    System Reference:
    X11/14/4/4/3/991
    Document Reference:
    11/991
    Date:
    16 July 1830
    Level:
    file
    Description:
    The Town of Ludlow. The petition of tradesmen, inhabitants of Ludlow, to the Bailiffs, Burgesses, and Commonalty of the Town of Ludlow.
    The petitioners, agreeable to custom, from time immemorial, have exposed their goods for sale in certain parts of the streets of Ludlow upon market and fair days without interruption. They have now been informed that the Bailiffs and Burgesses and Commonalty have given instructions to their solicitor to prosecute all Persons who shall hereafter erect standings or expose their goods for sale in the streets.
    They petition to be permitted to continue to expose their goods for sale in the streets upon market and fair days as usually they have done.
    John Bankey, William Perry, Sarah Poole, John Jones, John Sauvidge, Timothy Meyricke, William Jones, Bartholomew Price, Richard Charman, James Milward, Joseph Price
    Held At:
    Shropshire Archives
    Access Status:
    Readers Ticket
Title: Re: What has happened to the Charman family?
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 04 May 19 21:17 BST (UK)
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/LudlowPart2.html

1811  Apr. 14. John Hamer & Sarah Charman. Wit: Ed. Powys, Richd. Wood.

1812  Apr. 5. Charlotte Louisa, d. of Richard Charman & Charlotte.

1791  Jan. 21. Charlotte, d. of John Cook & Sarah.