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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: philipsearching on Thursday 07 April 16 19:36 BST (UK)
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I am struggling to read this.
The bridegroom is from Tandragee, Armagh.
The bride is from ?????????, Roscommon.
They were married in a Presbyterian church in Down, so that doesn't help me!
I can't spot an obvious town or townland in Roscommon. Can any keen-eyed Rootschatter help?
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At a guess... Is it 'Deer Hamlet', Roscommon?
Romilly.
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At a guess... Is it 'Deer Hamlet', Roscommon?
Romilly.
I wondered about that, but the mighty google came up with no results :(
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I found this in Google Books:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JKr_AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA416&lpg=PA416&dq=hamlets+in+roscommon&source=bl&ots=fyXDUkjOC-&sig=nVniMlILt7b4_oeFZjJ88ESVRWg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBt5uemP3LAhXMXRoKHZFnBqcQ6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=hamlets%20in%20roscommon&f=false
I can't seem to shrink it in 'shrink links' on here, but it does have a list of the Hamlets in Roscommon if you have the patience to find it!
Romilly.
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Many thanks for the link, Romilly. Unfortunately, not all pages of the book are free to view, so I would have to buy it (for over £30) which is not feasible. I tried searching for Deer Hamlet or Deerhamlet, but it returned no results. I also tried Durhamlee just in case, but no luck.
Oh well, the search goes on!
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You could try posting your query on the Irish Board on here. Someone with local knowledge might be able to help.
You might also find something on this Site:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/connacht/index_ro.htm
Romilly.
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You could try posting your query on the Irish Board on here. Someone with local knowledge might be able to help.
You might also find something on this Site:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/connacht/index_ro.htm
Romilly.
Many thanks for your continued efforts, Romilly - I am very grateful for you taking time for this puzzle. I will see if this can be moved to the Roscommon, Ireland board.
Philip
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Lists of townlands here, though I can't see a suitable candidate.
http://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/
http://www.irish-place-names.com/
http://www.swilson.info/db/townlanddbs.php
Josey
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Drumharlow?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/gazplace?CCC=ROS,LAT=53.953346,LON=-8.122483,PLACE=DRUMHARLOW,ID=98906
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Wouldn't worry too much about that Google Book link- what you need is a townland not a hamlet.
Just throwing this in for consideration even though it's not in Roscommon-
Doohamlat townland, Clontibret Parish, Co. Monaghan (Castleblayney Poor Law Union/Registration District)- only about 30 miles from Tandragee.
Perhaps if you post all the other details on the certificate we might be able to pin down the location :)
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Sarah - thank you for moving this thread.
Attached is the full register entry.
I like the idea of Drumharlow, but I can't quite make it fit my reading of the handwriting - but I am willing to be persuaded!
Thank you all for your help and interest.
Philip
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I have tried but failed! What is the bride's name please?
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The writing is dreadful! Very hard to make out... (Glad it's not just me:-)
Romilly.
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I have tried but failed! What is the bride's name please?
Eliza Aldwell Sandys?
Josey
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Well done, Josey :)
I just saw the marriage. I got Eliza ...well Sand... But didn't get very far.
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There is a baptism for Basil Joseph Sandys 1880 in Durham Kilbride, Roscommon ???
Parents James Sandys and Margaret White Sandys.
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There is mention of a Durham House / Derrane House, Kilbride in landed estates.
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Marriage extract on www.familysearch.org (links still not working)-
21 Sept.1860 Aghaderg, Down, Ire
William Bell Cordner, age 20, son of William Cordner, to Eliza Aldwell Sandys, 19, daughter of Bazee Sandys
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Durham House, etc. mentioned here-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=588191.0
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Even better- Durham Lodge in Derrane townland:
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1674
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Basil Sandys ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=248602.54
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James Sandys
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Kilbride_South/Derrane/1668826/
James Sandys late of Durham Lodge
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014914/005014914_00244.pdf
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Ooooh, you lovely people!
So, landedestates.ie states: "The Sandys family also held some land in Derrane including Durham Lodge. James Sandys of Durham Lodge owned 158 acres in the 1870s". nuigalway.ie adds detail for the Sandys residences. George Sandys and family are on the 1901 census. George d1904, will proved 1905.
Townland:- Derrane
Parish:- Kilbride
Barony:- Ballintober South
County:- Roscommon
There are several trees on the internet with the Sandys line going back past Sir Edwin Sandys (Jacobean) and Archbishop Edwin Sandys (Elizabethan) into the 1300s. I don't want to crib trees without proving facts, and I have sometimes struggled to find source documentation. Now I can be satisfied that Elizabeth Aldwell Sandys was linked to the Sandys family of Durham Lodge this gives me new lines to tug. Now my next step is to tug the lines to prove when and where she was born!
I am now an exceedingly happy bunny! :) :)