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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: Millmoor on Friday 22 April 16 09:05 BST (UK)
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Just a heads up. Find My Past has added two new titles to its Scottish Registers and Records, the above and Moray: The People and The Lands. They would appear to have records taken from the Kirk Session Records as short abstracts as well as descriptions of the parishes included. I have already located reference to my great grandfather's illegitimacy. So far not the easiest collection to browse through but I think if you can add text to the full text box the initial search is narrowed down.
William
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That's interesting.
Are these the booklets by Bruce Bishop, published parish by parish under the title 'The Lands and People of [parish]?
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They do not actually make it clear in their blog or on the search page what the source is. However by scrolling back to the start of the records from Botriphnie parish it does say by Bruce R Bishop. (Have now realised you can simply put parish name in search box to get results). I am finding them absolutely fascinating - should keep me occupied for quite some time!
William
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They do not actually make it clear in their blog or on the search page what the source is. However by scrolling back to the start of the records from Botriphnie parish it does say by Bruce R Bishop
Thanks. I have access to the printed versions of Bruce's booklets.
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Hi William,
I'm struggling to find this on FindMyPast? Can you give me a wee hint please....
Jen
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Hi William,
I'm struggling to find this on FindMyPast? Can you give me a wee hint please....
Jen
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It's a series, not a single book. The title is 'The Lands and People of .... " and the author is Bruce Bishop. The .... stands for whichever parish you are interested in.
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Hi Jen
It is not the easiest to find! If you go to their A- Z and find Scotland Registers and Records, click on browse publication. It is in the list of publications (there is one for Moray too!).
I have found it fascinating reading. The major downside is that I do not think their viewer is as good as on other sites. Finding what you are after is quite time consuming- it is not the most user friendly for browsing.
I have found information from Botriphnie, Keith, Rathven and Enzie - can't wait for the Kirk Session Records to come online so I can read the full entries!
William
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Hi William,
Thanks I've got it now! Not easy to find indeed and nothing you'd stumble across that's for sure. Forfarian, I didn't know this was a whole series thanks for the information you are indeed the family history fountain of knowledge!
Jen
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Thanks for highlighting this, Millmoor. It had escaped my attention!
Definitely time consuming as the name search throws up quite a few anomalies but its certainly worth the bother if you have ancestors in Banffshire, as I do. Found quite a lot for Grange.
I'd never found a marriage for my James Shepherd and Margaret Miln(e) - assuming the marriage records for Grange had been lost or destroyed. I was never quite sure I'd got the correct wife. Now I've discovered a 1760 entry (exactly the right time) that states James had been admonished for 'antenuptual fornication with Margaret Miln' so I think that will do the trick!!!
Forfarian, are the rest of the series accessible at all online, do you know?
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I just remember Bruce telling me that FindMyPast had digitised his 'Lands and People' series. I don't have a subscription to FindMyPast and I am not aware of them being online anywhere else.
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jillruss,
the Grange Kirk Session minutes from 1694 - 1710 have been transcribed and published. Assuming your Shepherds and Milnes were in the parish at that time, they were behaving themselves. No Shepherd appears in the minutes and only one Milne, a woman who received poor money between 1703 and her death in 1706.
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Thanks for that GR2 - how nice of you to look.
It goes some way to showing that my theory that the previous generation of Shepherds were originally from Ordiquhill might be correct.
Could I be cheeky and ask if the Grange kirk sessions have any Wilsons included? James Shepherd's parents George Shepherd and Jean Wilson married in Grange in 1735 but I haven't been able to find a baptism for Jean.
Thanks,
Jill
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The volumes of session minutes I have for Grange cover 1694 - 1710. I have read the later ones which are in the National Records in Edinburgh or available as virtual volumes in certain local archives. I'm not sure if the pre 1711 ones would allow you to make a link. There are Wilsons mentioned, however:
1694 - 1702
- Alexander Wilson, schoolmaster and session clerk
- Andrew Wilson in Haughs, received poor money several times
- George Wilson in Nethermill, received poor money several times
- Janet Wilson, daughter of Thomas Wilson in Glengerack, adulteress
- John Wilson in Haughs, Sabbath breaker; son of Andrew Wilson in Haughs; entered the King's service
- Patrick Wilson in Cantlie, elder of the kirk
- William Wilson, received poor money on one occasion
1703 - 1710
- Alexander Wilson, schoolmaster and session clerk
- George Wilson, received poor money several times
- Janet Wilson, adulteress, still appearing in sackcloth
- Patrick (once called Peter) Wilson in Cantlie, elder of the kirk
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Thanks, GR2. I'll try and delve further into the male Wilsons you mention to see if there's any liklihood of any of them being Jean's father.
I suppose most of the places (Haughs,Nethermill etc) will be near Grange and therefore near Ordiquihill so perhaps not much to be gained by finding those.
Any idea how you pronounce Ordiquihill?
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Any idea how you pronounce Ordiquihill?
Or-di-kwill, with the 'di' sounding like 'did', without the end d, rather than 'die' and the kwill sounding like a quill pen. There's sometimes a bit of a 'ch' sound, like at the end of loch on the kwi part, so it's a bit softer than a hard k.
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Thanks, Archivos. I'm practising as I type!
Funny how some place names just capture your imagination -- its one of my favourites! Sad, I know! ;)
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I like it too! I also like Finzean, near Banchory - it's Fing-in, sometimes Fing-yin depending on the accent.
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Just to say that FindMyPast have now added more from this series and it is now a bit easier to follow. Some volumes are named by parish and seem to consist of burials mainly extracted from the Kirk Session Records. Other parts or volumes are listed by number and so you have to look at the first page to see the name of the parish concerned.(eg volumes one and two are about the parish of Keith).
William
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Here is a list of the Parishes covered in Parts 1-21 (these are for the most part digests of the Kirk Session Records of the parishes concerned).
1.Keith pre 1775.
2.Keith 1775-1850
3.Boharm pre 1750
4.Boharm 1750-1850
5.Rathven pre 1750
6.Rathven 1750- 1850 (includes Enzie)
7 Botriphnie pre 1850
8.Aberlour pre 1775
9.Aberlour 1775 - 1850
10.Inveravon pre 1750
11 Inveravon 1750- 1850
12 Mortlach pre 1750
13 Mortlach 1750 -1850
14 Kirkmichael (Tomintoul) pre 1850
15. Grange pre 1725
16 Grange 1725 - 1850
17. Cullen pre 1750
18 Cullen 1750 - 1850
19 Fordyce pre 1850
20 Ordiquhill pre 1850
21 Marnoch pre 1850
It is definitely much easier to search and browse now and well worth a look for those with ancestors from the above parishes.
William
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I must be doing something very wrong as I still cannot find these records on FindMyPast despite following the instructions. When I try and find anything related to Banff/Banffshire in the A-Z it just brings up Aberdeenshire, Banffshire and Kincardinshire Monumental Inscrptions. ???
Liv.
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Easiest way to do it this week is to click on this weeks Find My Past Friday and scroll down until you see Scotland Registers and Records (Scotland Register and Records is also the way in through the A - Z). Then click on browse publication.
Hope this helps.
William
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Easiest way to do it this week is to click on this weeks Find My Past Friday and scroll down until you see Scotland Registers and Records (Scotland Register and Records is also the way in through the A - Z). Then click on browse publication.
Hope this helps.
William
It did help. Brilliant! Got it now. Many thanks.
I will be sitting here for a few hours now I think. ;D
Liv.
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I'm enjoying browsing through these records, though its very time consuming!
One thing, though - I get a bit confused with married Scottish women using their maiden names. I'm all for it (feminism, and all that!) but I wish they'd either do it all the time or none of the time but it seems that sometimes they do and sometimes they don't....
So, in the Marnoch papers, I have found an internment in 1787 for an Isobel Mackie in Knockarth (can't find it on google maps). I have an Isobel Mackie in my tree who - I think (never managed to find the marriage) - married Alexr Milne around 1730 and, as they were both baptised in Marnoch, I assume they married there. Looking through the papers, I've found an internment for an Alexr Milne in Marnoch in 1758 (though he'd only have been about 48) and then the burial for Isobel Mackie in 1787. Will this be 'my' Isobel or another one who married a Mr Mackie?
If I may, I have another question: I have also found an entry in the Marnoch papers for a mortcloth 'early in 1815' for William Pirie. 'My' William Pirie died in Feb 1815 in Iriewells, Aberdeenshire which appears to be some 30 miles away. Is this just a coincidence? I know Pirie is not an uncommon name.