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Can somebody please advise me?
I am retired and a Pensioner, in recent times I have been researching the Family History of my Mother and Father.
I have been quite successful with regard to my Mother's Father: Laurence Joseph Williams, I have received superb assistance from the 'Manchester Regiment Group Forum'.
He was born on 4th November 1875 in Tullamore, Kings Co, Ireland.
He married; Elizabeth Kerridge on 30th November 1896 at St George's Church, Charlestown, Salford.
He volunteered for the Rifle Brigade, British Army in 1914 and was discharged as 'medically unfit.
In 1915 at the age of 40yrs he again joined the Army and eventually served with X Platoon, C Company, 18th Battalion, Manchester Regiment. He lied about his age on both enlistments.
I have copies of all of his 'Attestation Papers', where he trained and served, when he arrived in France up until the day he was killed in action: 9th July 1916 at Trones Wood, The Somme. and where he is remembered at the Thiepval Memorial.
With regard to his wife; Elizabeth (My Grandmother) I have reached a point where I am not sure how to proceed.
Elizabeth Williams nee Kerridge was born in Salford either in 1875 or 1877,
Her parents were; John Kerridge and Elisabeth Kerridge nee Haughton. The Banns for her marriage list John Kerridge as her Father, I believe he was a widower at this time. Her age in 1896 is shown as 19yrs, which would point to her birth year as 1877.
However when I have looked at other records, they display that:
Elizabeth Kerridge was Christened on 12 May 1875 at the Chapelry-of-Christ, Salford. Father: John Kerridge, Mother;Elizabeth.
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Elisabeth Kerridge was Christened on 05 Sep 1877 at the Chapelry-of-Christ, Salford. Father: John Kerridge, Mother;Elizabeth.
I was born in 1946 at Robertsbridge, Sussex. My Mother: Lillian Josephine Willard nee Williams was born 22nd October 1911 in Salford. She was one of at least 8 children born to Elizabeth and Laurence Williams.
I met in c.1952 my Grandmother; Elizabeth Williams, she died in 1954, Salford.
Can somebody please help me to establish when my Grandmother was born, when she died and where she is buried. I would appreciate help on this.
Thank you
Roy Willard
Rye
East Sussex
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From freebmd - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
There is only one Elizabeth Kerridge b Salford between the years 1874 and 1878
June Quarter 1875, district Salford, vol 8d, page 130
Could be her. The censuses should have her with her parents.
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However, there is a death?
Deaths, June qtr 1877
Salford Registration District vol 8d, page 77
Kerridge, Elizabeth age 2
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There is a death reg FreeBMD
Elizabeth Williams Jun qtr 1954
Salford
10f 427
but her age at death is given as 93????
Suz
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1881 census
Class: RG11; Piece: 3970; Folio: 58; Page: 34
12 West Peel Street, Salford
Kerridge, John Head Widower M 44 Wheelwright b Ormskirk, Lancashire
Kerridge, William Son M 17 Railway Servant b Blackburn
Kerridge, James Son M 15 Railway Servant b Blackburn
Kerridge, Mary A Daughter F 13 b Salford
Kerridge, Elizabeth Daughter F 3 b Salford
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This appears to be Elizabeth Kerridge's death
KERRIDGE Elizabeth
age 40
Salford
volume 8d
page 84
I think the most likely explanation is that the first daughter Elizabeth died and then your grandmother was born and called Elizabeth.
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That would be the mother?!
March qtr 1881
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William's birth is shown on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk with a mother's maiden name as Houghton. There is a marriage at Manchester Cathedral of a John Kerridge to an Elizabeth Haughton on 15 July 1859 which I think is probably the right couple. You can see the image on Ancestry.
And yes the Elizabeth Kerridge death I found would be John's wife, your great grandmother.
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From lancashireOPC
Baptism 4 Dec 1872 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire
Samuel Kerridge - parents John Kerridge & Elisabeth
Born 10 Nov 1872
Abode 9 Barlows Buildings
Occupation Wheelwright
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Baptism 12 May 1875 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire
Elizabeth Kerridge - Parents John Kerridge & Elizabeth
Born 2 Apr 1875
Abode 9 Barlow's Buildings No.3, Liverpool St.
Occupation Wheelwright
Baptism 5 Sep 1877 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire
Elisabeth Kerridge - Parents John Kerridge & Elisabeth
Born 21 Aug 1877
Abode 20 Cranbourne St.
Occupation Wheelwright
Baptism 5 Nov 1879 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire
Joseph Kerridge - Parents John Kerridge & Elisabeth
Born 5 Sep 1879
Abode 96 Liverpool St.
Occupation Wheelwright
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Thank you to all of you who replied so quickly to my request. I had considered that there was a daughter born earlier to Elizabeth and John Williams, but my mother (who died in 1997) had never mentioned that possibility. Although if she did I have forgotten, it was so many years ago and I never thought then to write things down. I have more questions to ask on two daughters: Martha and Mary who were born between 1896 and 1898, but the information I have on them is only up until the 1901 Census.
Thank you again
Roy Willard
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From freebmd - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
There is only one Elizabeth Kerridge b Salford between the years 1874 and 1878
June Quarter 1875, district Salford, vol 8d, page 130
Could be her. The censuses should have her with her parents.
Freebmd has a birth of an Elizabeth Kerridon Q3 1877 on transcript but image says kerridge 8d 165
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Thank you to all of you who replied so quickly to my request. I had considered that there was a daughter born earlier to Elizabeth and John Williams, but my mother (who died in 1997) had never mentioned that possibility. Although if she did I have forgotten, it was so many years ago and I never thought then to write things down. I have more questions to ask on two daughters: Martha and Mary who were born between 1896 and 1898, but the information I have on them is only up until the 1901 Census.
Thank you again
Roy Willard
Ancestry has Laurence's service record for WW1, it lists five children John born 2 May 1901, Lawrence Joseph, Nellie, Lilian and I think the last one b 1913 is Florence (not easy to read). Possibly Mary and Martha had died by 1914 when he enlisted.
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Hello Rosie99 and LizzieL
Thank you for your research.
Rosie99 the information you obtained from the 'LancashireOPC' is very good, in particular this entry:
Baptism 5 Sep 1877 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire
Elisabeth Kerridge - Parents John Kerridge & Elisabeth
Born 21 Aug 1877
Abode 20 Cranbourne St.
Occupation Wheelwright
About two months ago I paid approx. £25.00 to the website: Find my Past to gain data they held on the '1939 Register', then over that period I searched thoroughly for information on my wife's and my Family's grandparents. The payment allowed for five 'Downloads', four of which were successful.
As you may realise I was not entirely successful with my last search with regard to my Grandmother: Elizabeth Williams. However and LizzieL with regard to your data, I knew there was another son: Ernest Williams, he was born 6th October 1916. I met him in 1992 at my parents home in Robertsbridge, Sussex.
After Elizabeth's husband: Laurence Joseph Williams (Private 11043) was killed on 9th July 1916 at 'The Somme' she made an application for the War Widow's Pension, she provided to the War Office the Birth Certificate of Ernest (along with the other Certificates). As a result she received a Pension in the amount of 29 Shillings a week. The name and date of birth of Ernest is shown on her husband's: Attestation Papers, but is very faint to read.
My fifth and final request to 'Find my Past' was for information on: Ernest Williams and his wife: Leah Williams nee Crossley. I could see that there was one other person at their house on the 1939 Register, but no name until I downloaded the data.
The 'Download' showed Ernest and Leah, the third person was I believe: Elizabeth Gerrity or Garrity, or something quite different. The Transcription provided shows: Elizabeth Germily. Disappointingly for me it did not show: Elizabeth Williams, the text reads as:
Gerrity Elizabeth, F, 21 Aug 1877, M, Spinster, Laundress (Retired)
They were all residing at 58 Barker Street, Manchester in 1939.
What now stands out (at least for me) is the date of birth: 21 Aug 1877, exactly the same as the data that Rosie99 provided. Needless to say I have tried on the Family websites all permutations of the name and got not very far. I do not believe that my Grandmother would have remarried, because and it's only a belief: she would have lost her War Widow's Pension.
Any ideas?
Thank you
Roy Willard
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Having looked at the image for 1939 I think it looks like Gerrity. I also think there was some confusion as she has been entered as M ie married with spinster written underneath.
However there is a marriage
June Quarter
Williams Elizabeth
Gerrity Christopher
Manchester
Volume 8d
Page 510
Looking for the same marriage www.lancashirebmd.org.uk you get the information that
Elizabeth Williams married Christopher Gerrity and the additional info that her name had been Elizabeth Kerridge.
I think you can say you have found her in 1939 and that she remarried in 1919 and became Elizabeth Gerrity.
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and maybe her death reg?
FreeBMD
Elizabeth Gerrity
Mar qtr 1965
age 87
Salford
10f 629
Suz
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Gibel and Suzard
Thank you.
When I started my research on Laurence J Williams and my Grandmother Elizabeth I was fortunate to find the Manchester Regiment Group Forum, the information and help was tremendous.
A further benefit was that two brothers who were the Grandchildren of; John Williams a brother to my Mum, had used the Forum and as a result wrote to me, we were able to exchange information that was unknown to us each and maintain a contact that was not possible before.
I will now contact them and pass on the good information that you and everybody else on Rootschat has sent to me.
I will carry on looking into the history of my Mum's two elder sisters: Mary and Martha. My Mum was five when her father was killed in action and she was nineteen when she moved in 1930 from Salford to Roberstbridge, her elder sister Nellie aged twenty one went to Robertsbridge in 1927. They both lived and worked at the Darvell Hall TB Sanatorium in the village, until they both married: my Mum to George Alfred Willard, Aunt Nellie to Seth Barden.
My Mum always spoke fondly of her sister Mary, but if she told me that she had married or passed away I cannot remember.
Thank you again
Roy Willard
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Gibel
Good afternoon, when you replied to me yesterday:
Re: Ancestry of Elizabeth Williams nee Kerridge, my Grandmother
« Reply #13 on: Today at 14:25 »
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Having looked at the image for 1939 I think it looks like Gerrity. I also think there was some confusion as she has been entered as M ie married with spinster written underneath.
You mention that you had: 'looked at the image', just out of interest I had tried to send a copy of the 1939 Register (download) that showed my Grandmother: Elizabeth, but a message popped up to say that the file was too big, so as far as I know it was not sent. Do you know if I was successful in sending the copy without knowing it?
What I tend to do now and from the keyboard is use 'Printscreen', at least that way I have the direct image of what I am looking at and not always relying on 'Transcriptions'.
Thanks
Roy Willard
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I looked at the image on the site on FindMyPast. preview gets you to a transcript and you can choose to see the image which opens on the site. I made no attempt to download it.
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I have been researching Kerridges for many years and have some more information on John and Elizabeth, as well as John's first wife, Ann, plus Elizabeth's siblings if of interest. Happy to share whatever I have - there is as yet no link with my line, so of more use to you than me!!
Andy Kerridge
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Andy
I would very much like to hear from you with regard to Elizabeth Kerridge (my grandmother) and her parents lives and those of her siblings. Do you have any photographs of the Kerridge family?
I have one photograph (in one of my boxes in a shed-that I cannot find at the moment!!!) of Elizabeth, this was taken on the beach at Hastings c.1952. I remember her visiting my mum and dad and staying with us at Robertsbridge, and our visit to Hastings.
Elizabeth Williams nee Kerridge was my mum's mother, what is your lineage with Elizabeth?
I know that Rootschat advise against giving email addresses on this forum, but there must be some method of email communication.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards
Roy
Roy Willard
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You can exchange email addresses by the personal message system. If you click on the name by the post, you get to their profile and the send PM link is on the left.
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Thank you LizzieL
Roy
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AndyK
I 'went through' the PMS as advised by LizzieL, hopefully you will be able to see my email address.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards
Roy
Roy Willard
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hi all
iam a decendant of eilizabeth williams she was my great grandmother i have searched for some years and i allready have some of the information that is on this forum iam related to another member who also posts on this site roy w46 but have lost touch as my pc died and i lost email address my name is dennis it would be nice to get in touch again as we both have something in common our ancestors.
can anyone help.
cheers dennis.
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my name is Dennis williams and i'am trying to locate another member of the site who is researching the same familly as me he is royW46 i have lost contact over the last couple of years but it seems he has had more success than me and it would be nice to exchange our findings once again. can anyone help as this is only my second posting thankyou. dennis
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Hello d.williams,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Roy has been online last month and has been notified of your reply by email, hopefully he will reply soon.
Regards
Sarah
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Sarah
Thank you for the email reminder. I have looked for and found Dennis Williams email address, so I will contact him.
Thank you
Happy Christmas to you.
Roy
Roy Willard
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Hi sarah
Just to say thankyou for getting in touch with royW46 it has been 4years since our last communication
and i have replied to his email.
All the very best and stay well
Dennis.
d.williams.