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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: maryanne on Tuesday 26 April 16 17:36 BST (UK)
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Lea Mude born 1910 was the daughter of Marina and William H Passmore and they lived in Camborne.
I haven't been able to find out what happened to Lea after 1911. Did she emigrate at any time?
Lea Mude had a sister called Mude who was also known as Sophia born 1905 in Camborne and Sophia is on Ellis Island as going to the US in 1923 arriving 4th October 1923. Sophia was to meet her intended husband Mr F G Jones who lived at 4036?, Brooklyn Avenue,Detroit ,Michigan and she called herself Sophia Maud and her father was William H Passmore who was living in Camborne was her nearest relative.
Sophia didn't stay in the US because she married in Cornwall but not Mr Jones! There is a line through her details and I wonder if she actually went to the US and if she did will anyone be able to find her return passage and what happened to Mr F G Jones? Where did they meet in the first place?
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No birth reg for a Lea Mude Passmore in 1910 ....
Birth
Jan/Feb/Mar 1906
Redruth
Ref 5c 175
Sophia Passmore
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From freebmd
Births Jun 1897
Passmore Leo Maud
Redruth 5c 193
Can't be that one ::) Anyway I had the date wrong
Deaths Jun 1898
PASSMORE Leo Maud 1
Redruth 5c 147
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and a death reg for that child
Leo Maud Passmore 1 june qtr 1898 Reruth vol 5c pg 147
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I haven't found a birth for Lea Mude/Maud and the Leo born 1897 died I think in 1898.
The 1911 census says that one child died so I presume that is Leo Maud.
Sophia was known as Mude in the 1911 census.
Our posts crossed.
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So I guess they're including the deceased child on the census?
Maureen
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Number of children alive/dead does not agree with those shown living with parents ::)
I think that is possible Maureen - I got the red message
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It looks that 8 was put first then 6 living and 1 dead.
It seems that they included Lea Mude and just have the age she was when she died?
The problem now is Sophia ::)
Where did she meet Mr F G Jones for him to become her intended? I can't find any emigration for her before1923. May be Mr Jones lived in Cornwall or visited Cornwall.
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Sophia born 1905 in Camborne and Sophia is on Ellis Island as going to the US in 1923 arriving 4th October 1923. Sophia was to meet her intended husband Mr F G Jones who lived at 4036?, Brooklyn Avenue,Detroit ,Michigan and she called herself Sophia Maud and her father was William H Passmore who was living in Camborne was her nearest relative.
Sophia didn't stay in the US because she married in Cornwall but not Mr Jones!
There is a line through her details and I wonder if she actually went to the US and if she did will anyone be able to find her return passage and what happened to Mr F G Jones?
Had a look at UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 on Anc*y can't see anything ???
There’s a public tree on Anc*y with a photo, her m/c she married as Sophia Maud to W M Roberts
5 Sept 1925 in Camborne, she died 1962 d/cert. also available to view
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on the public tree mentions another child of William & Merina named Nellie born 3 Apr 1911 with pic. she died 1977
1911 census was taken on 2nd April
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Thanks everyone for helping. :)
I suppose I will never know where Sophia met Mr Jones or if indeed she actually went to the US. (the line through her name)Sophia married in 1925.
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Had a look at UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 on Anc*y can't see anything ???
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Will somebody be able to find this? It's a long shot but the incoming passenger list 1878-1960 has S M Passmore arrival London.
Added:Port of departure was India in 1893 ::)
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I wondered about the number of living children being less than the number of children of the marriage listed. Maybe an eldest child was not of this marriage but of a previous marriage or relationship OR, maybe, one of the children is not of the marriage but unofficially adopted or taken in (maybe a child of a rellie who died or something) and that child is the mysterious Lea Mude (maybe poor spelling for Leah Maude) for whom we cannot find a birth reg under Passmore!
Just a theory with absolutely no evidence to back it up at this stage!
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CornwallOPC has the baptism in 1896 for William Lloyd Passmore son of William Henry & Merina Ann
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Maybe, just maybe, Sophia is down as PASMORE ?
Marriage Sep 1895 Redruth 5c 355
Marina(Mariza) Ann Beckerleg / William Henry Pasmore
In passing . . . . . Birth Jun 1873 Redruth 5c 260 Marina Ann Beckerleg
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Sophia's birth is there in 1906, Irene's in 1908, and Nelly in 1911. But nothing in between that might be Lea. Who is she?
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Hi just how many were in the household in 1911?
Anyone checked out the Leanita Goninon March qtr 1910 Redruth 5c 166?
Keyboard86
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Anyone checked out the Leanita Goninon March qtr 1910 Redruth 5c 166?
This might be her
Leanita Goninon age 25 (1910) Cornwall, England
Arrival Date: 29 Oct 1935
Arrival Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Departure Contact: Brother E Goninon
Accompanied by: Aunt Lillie Goninon
Arrival Contact: Uncle James Goninon
Leanite Goninon age 25 typist
Lillie Goninon age 55 house keeper
97 Enya Rd Cambone Cornwall
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1935
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Athenia
It looks as if she’s on the Canadian Voters list for 1963 Essex Ontario
Miss Leanita Goninon occ Typ.
Leanita born 1910 may have a connection to this Goninon family living in Cambone 1901
RG13; Piece: 2243; Folio: 66; Page: 19
Ann S 45, Lillie 17, Richard 16, Edward 14, Leanita 12, Ethel 10, John 7, Willie 6 James 3
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Thanks again everyone.
If anyone has access to 1911 census it looks like there were 8 children but the number was rubbed out and 7 written over it and it also says that there are 6 alive and 1 dead. Because Lea/Leo was one when he/she died I wonder if the head put he/she in as well because that is the age in the census of Lea Mude. The number of children in the census stated add up to the number on the census if Lea/Leo was included by mistake.
Leanita Goninon can be discounted because of the surname.
I have details of Marina Beckerleg before she married and Marina and her father don't appear in the 1891 census. Post elswhere for that.
I think that Lea Maud and whether Sophia ever went to the US will remain a mystery.
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Anyone checked out the Leanita Goninon March qtr 1910 Redruth 5c 166?
This might be her
Leanita Goninon age 25 (1910) Cornwall, England
Arrival Date: 29 Oct 1935
Arrival Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Departure Contact: Brother E Goninon
Accompanied by: Aunt Lillie Goninon
Arrival Contact: Uncle James Goninon
Leanite Goninon age 25 typist
Lillie Goninon age 55 house keeper
97 Enya Rd Cambone Cornwall
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1935
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Athenia
It looks as if she’s on the Canadian Voters list for 1963 Essex Ontario
Miss Leanita Goninon occ Typ.
Leanita born 1910 may have a connection to this Goninon family living in Cambone 1901
RG13; Piece: 2243; Folio: 66; Page: 19
Ann S 45, Lillie 17, Richard 16, Edward 14, Leanita 12, Ethel 10, John 7, Willie 6 James 3
Thanks for that but I have ruled her out.
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Ruled her out just because of different surname?
There is no birth of a Passmore child around 1910, so that is why we are exploring the possibility of her not being their child by birth, as they say they have 6 living children of the marriage but list 7. It is only one possibility.
As you say, another explanation could be that the child Lea is actually one of the ones that have died. Thus the age given , of 1, might be the age she was when she died, not her age in 1911, and would explain why she is listed with a 3 year old after her. But, even widening the years for a search for a birth, I cant see any suitably named Pas(s)more child registered in Redruth!
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Suitable?
Birth Jun 1897 Redruth 5c 193 Leo Maud Passmore
Death Jun 1898 Redruth 5c 147 Leo Maud Passmore ( 1yr )
To me,
it is an innocent answer to "children born alive to present marriage" but did not read "alive at midnight" from col 1.
After all, the person completing the form was not highly educated ( or dyslexic? ) by spelling Marina as Merina, Maud as Mude, Irene as Irena, and maybe Leo should have been Lea on the BMD regs.
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Sorted.
(I hadn't looked early enough for the birth, and somehow hadn't registered in my thick brain the Leo one that had been found already)
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From freebmd
Births Jun 1897
Passmore Leo Maud
Redruth 5c 193
Can't be that one ::) Anyway I had the date wrong
Deaths Jun 1898
PASSMORE Leo Maud 1
Redruth 5c 147
And I thought it couldn't be right as I was looking at the wrong date ;D ;D ::) ::)
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Suitable?
Birth Jun 1897 Redruth 5c 193 Leo Maud Passmore
Death Jun 1898 Redruth 5c 147 Leo Maud Passmore ( 1yr )
To me,
it is an innocent answer to "children born alive to present marriage" but did not read "alive at midnight" from col 1.
After all, the person completing the form was not highly educated ( or dyslexic? ) by spelling Marina as Merina, Maud as Mude, Irene as Irena, and maybe Leo should have been Lea on the BMD regs.
The person completing the form had quite nice handwriting and I think that maybe it was spelt the way it was pronounced.
I agree with you that it could have been an innocent answer to the question about children born alive to present marriage. That will explain why there isn't any other Passmore born in that time frame.
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Even in the last 30 years I have seen a friends child, who was a Leo, in the birth indexes as Les. Somewhere along the line a letter has been misread.
So Lea could well have been misindexed as Leo - not beyond the realms of possibility.
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Even in the last 30 years I have seen a friends child, who was a Leo, in the birth indexes as Les. Somewhere along the line a letter has been misread.
So Lea could well have been misindexed as Leo - not beyond the realms of possibility.
I agree with you.
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Lea Mude born 1910 was the daughter of Marina and William H Passmore and they lived in Camborne.
I haven't been able to find out what happened to Lea after 1911. Did she emigrate at any time?
Lea Mude had a sister called Mude who was also known as Sophia born 1905 in Camborne and Sophia is on Ellis Island as going to the US in 1923 arriving 4th October 1923. Sophia was to meet her intended husband Mr F G Jones who lived at 4036?, Brooklyn Avenue,Detroit ,Michigan and she called herself Sophia Maud and her father was William H Passmore who was living in Camborne was her nearest relative.
Sophia didn't stay in the US because she married in Cornwall but not Mr Jones! There is a line through her details and I wonder if she actually went to the US and if she did will anyone be able to find her return passage and what happened to Mr F G Jones? Where did they meet in the first place?
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Hello Maryanne, I am just wondering, why are you interested in finding information about Sophia MaudPassmore and her children in particular Leanita Goninon. I am very much wanted to connect with you on this topic, Nancy
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Hi everyone. I know Leantia Goninon very well since I lived with her in British Columbi, Canada. She adopted my husband in 1971 when she was in her early sixties and therefore, she was my mother in law. Her aunt Lillie and uncle william died in Ontario in the sixties. Why are you looking for her? Sophie may not be her mother according to my archived information. Her mother died in Michigan while she was pregnant with her third child. Also Leanita's brother Per died at age 21 from pneumonia. If you need more information or pictures. I would like to assist. Leanita died in 1992 in Vancouver BC. Canada. She was well known poet. Leanita was born in cromwall, England according to her Aunt Lillie. But there is a hidden information that I cannot indulge with it at this time according to her will.
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Hi nancy01, the new GRO Index suggests the 1910 birth for a Leanita Goninon in Redruth had mmn Trezise
Keyboard86
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Leanita Goninon was born on 28 of December 1909 in Redruth Illogam. I would like to know the reason for anyone on this chat is looking for her or her family. Is someone is writing a book about the family? Or is this research related to a family member wants to know more about her life
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Leanita Goninon was born on 28 of December 1909 in Redruth Illogam
Which suggests that as so close to the New Year she was registered March qtr 1910.
Keyboard86
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I would like to know the reason for anyone on this chat is looking for her or her family. Is someone writing a book about the family? Or is this research related to a family member wants to know more about her life
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Hi everyone. I know Leantia Goninon very well since I lived with her in British Columbi, Canada. She adopted my husband in 1971 when she was in her early sixties and therefore, she was my mother in law. Her aunt Lillie and uncle william died in Ontario in the sixties. Why are you looking for her? Sophie may not be her mother according to my archived information. Her mother died in Michigan while she was pregnant with her third child. Also Leanita's brother Per died at age 21 from pneumonia. If you need more information or pictures. I would like to assist. Leanita died in 1992 in Vancouver BC. Canada. She was well known poet. Leanita was born in cromwall, England according to her Aunt Lillie. But there is a hidden information that I cannot indulge with it at this time according to her will.
I haven't looked at this family since 2016 and I don't remember anything about Leanita Goninon,
My interest are the Passmore's and Beckerleg's. Beckerleg being my line.
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:) Hi to my knowledge no one is looking for Leanita Goninon, it was just an option of a birth for Lea Maud Passmore that we were trying to locate for maryanne?
Keyboard86
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:) Hi to my knowledge no one is looking for Leanita Goninon, it was just an option of a birth for Lea Maud Passmore that we were trying to locate for maryanne?
Keyboard86
This is what confused me.
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Leanita wrote a book in 1983 but is still unpublished and she did mention in her drafted book about someone by this name (Lea Mude Passmore). I am wondering what is the connection? she did not say much accept she mentioned her in a paragraph. Also, she wrote a poem addressed " to my mother Sophie"! I am very curious more now than ever to know more about my mother in law who was too secretive of her life in Canada.
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Hi if Leanita had a brother Percy Goninon his birth was registered Dec qtr 1908 Redruth mmn TREZISE
Keyboard86
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Leanita wrote a book in 1983 but is still unpublished and she did mention in her drafted book about someone by this name (Lea Mude Passmore). I am wondering what is the connection? she did not say much accept she mentioned her in a paragraph. Also, she wrote a poem addressed " to my mother Sophie"! I am very curious more now than ever to know more about my mother in law who was too secretive of her life in Canada.
That is interesting re Lea Mude Passmore.
Lea Mude Passmore was a daughter of William Henry Passmore and Marina A Beckerleg.
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Yes, thank you, his full first name is Percy but she used to call him Per.
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I know that Leanita wrote a note in her book about Marina Beckerleg who was born about 1872 Ashton. But she used to say, that her uncle is William and not her father. She was on the Titanic at age 4 on April 1912 heading to New York by the way
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Hi if Leanita had a brother Percy Goninon his birth was registered Dec qtr 1908 Redruth mmn TREZISE
Keyboard86
This appears to be Percy & Linita's parents marriage entry and the family are together on the latest census
Jun 1908 Redruth
Richard GONINAN
Female name on same page
Louisa TREZIZ(S)E
this appears to be Richard with his mother and siblings on 1901c
RG13; Piece: 2243; Folio: 66; Page: 19 living in Cornwall
Ann S Goninon 45
Lillie Goninon 17
Richard Goninon 16
Edward Goninon 14
Leanita Goninon 12
Ethel Goninon 10
John Goninon 7
Willie Goninon 6
James Goninon 3
ADDED - this appears to be Louisa Tresize with her parents , siblings & grandparents
Tresize with her grandparents and parents and sibling living in Camborne RG12; Piece: 1850; Folio: 149; Page: 15
Walter Tregear Trezise 61
Mary 61
Jas Thos 31 son
Louisa Ann 32 dau in law
Loui Trezise 2 granddau’s
Annie Trezise 1
Beatrice Trezise 6 months
William Retallick 44 brother in law
Louisa Ann Waters married James Thomas Trezise
Mar 1885 Redruth
Louisa TREZISE mmn WATERS
1888 J Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 216
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I am confused about her brother Per, you mentioned he was born in 1908, but she was born in 1909 and she used to tell us about her younger brother Per. according to your info, he is older brother and not younger, hmmmm
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I know that Leanita wrote a note in her book about Marina Beckerleg who was born about 1872 Ashton.
I still can't find a connection at the moment.
William and Marina Passmore were living at Tolvaddon Downs,Tuckingmill,Cornwall in 1911 and there is one daughter named Irena who was born at Illogan in 1908.
Other children were -Lloyd born 1896;John 1898;Bertie 1900;Charles 1902;Mude 1906 and Lea Mude 1910.
Were any of these names mentioned?
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I believe, that Louise same as Sophie because she used to write notes about her mother calling her Lousie but in bracket (Sophie), however, I know about her aunt Lillie, and her uncle William, her uncle used to visit her when she was in Ontario working for Chrysler. She used to live with her Aunt Lillie until she died. Ihave picture for both of them together, then she moved to Kelowna, but then she met Albert who was renting at her house and she adopted him as a son. Who happened to be my husband since 1980.
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she spoke of Bertie and Ethel, and she used to call her uncle William, willie, as I recalled but, I think there is major confusion here. I believe we are dealing with grandparent, parent and their children, maybe the confusion is we are mixing between cousins. I know that Leanita purchased a few homes in Cromwall and I have a picture of her father and the worker building her first home. She said in her Bio, that her uncle took from her all these properties and refused to return them to her as she was the sole owner of these properties. I still have the picture of these homes. she returned to Canada with broken heart
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Leanita has some notes where she was referring to Marina who was living in 1881 with her parents and siblings at 3, East Charles Street,Camborne and in 1901 she went to live at Tehidy and she cut all her contacts with her
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There is also mentioned in her Bio about her uncle Willie LIoyed, who had difficulty with his father. who happened to be Henry's son, I believe Henry was her grandfather and not her father, Richard is not her father either, but she wrote about him that he raised her for three years only before she visited the united state with her Aunt Lillie. and Richard was the one who took his sister Lillie and Leanita to the Titanic ship heading to new York in 1912, When leanita was 4 years old.
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For info.
Richard Goninon who married Louisa Trezize was born 1884 birth entry Redruth on GRO indexes gives his mmn Williams
This looks to be his parents marriage entry
Marriage
Mar 1879 Redruth
Richard Goninon
Female name on same page
Ann Selina Williams
Can’t post details of latest census but mother Ann S from 1901 census her name is written as Anselina, 6 children are with her.
This appears to be the death of her husband Richard
Richard Goninon of 3 Foundry Row Camborne, miner died 4 Jul 1915 Cornwall, England
Probate 24 Jul 1915 Bodmin to John Goninon butcher and Edward Goninon moulder
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1901 Marina is living at Tehidy Road, Camborne, Redruth, Cornwall.,with husband and 3 sons Lloyd;Jack and Bertie.
1881 she is living at 3, East Charles Street, Camborne, Redruth, Cornwall wth her parents and siblings.
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Leanita has some notes where she was referring to Marina who was living in 1881 with her parents and siblings at age 3, she also mentioned the address on East Charles Street,Camborne and in 1901 she went to live at Tehidy and she cut all her contacts with her
I wonder why she cut contact with Marina.
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Leanita was not aware of other siblings accept her brother Per. I am not sure if it was hidden from her or not. but there is no other siblings to Leanita but Percy
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My understanding that Richard had difficulty with his speech, he used to stutter, Leanita was raised from age 4 until she died in Canada in 1992. and her ashes were spread over the pacific ocean per her request. she did not have too much communication with her family after they stripped her wealth away from her.
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I am not sure why she stopped her communication with Marina? not much saying about them. she wrote in fact two books about her life and she mentioned about the people who meant a lot to her and were in contact with her
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Leanita was not aware of other siblings accept her brother Per. I am not sure if it was hidden from her or not. but there is no other siblings to Leanita but Percy
Hi getting confused, from your earlier post you say that "Richard is not her father also" even though the birth was registered as Goninon/Trezise, what about Percy?
Keyboard86
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I am concern of the discrepancies with the census data about her family.
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I am concern of the discrepancies with the census data about her family.
??? Can you explain your concern/s?
Keyboard86
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Percy's father was not Richard for sure as I know who is his father, but due to the sensitivity of the matter, I can not indulge publicly. I know from the wills we have probated, when Percy died, his real father left him a fortune in New York, in which he was supposed to receive at age 21. He died early morning on his 21 birthday
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The census data does not match the actual birth certificate we have in our possession about her and her brother Percy. Also of her mother real name. in October 1963, in Portreath Corwall, Leanita made a visit with her Aunt Lillie to the Camborne cemetery. She also obtained her birth certificate which she found the information were incorrect about her age. she tried to correct them without success according to her Bio, she went to Spring bank Garden to visit with her aunt and then she took picture of her properties before she headed back to Canada.
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Leanita had a nick name which was Nena
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Hi only you it would seem can tell us the mothers name etc on her birth certificate, if born 28th December 1909 what age would you expect to see on the 1911 census if this was taken 2nd April 1911, she had not reached her 2nd birthday yet?
Keyboard86
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Hi only you it would seem can tell us the mothers name etc on her birth certificate
I was about to ask if it was Louisa formely Tresize on both Percy & Leanita's 1908 & 1910 b/c's
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Leanita had a nick name which was Nena
Is this your Nena?
Lillian Goninon 41 (1885) H’wife
Percy Goninon 17 (1909)
Nena Goninon 15 (1911)
58 Enye Road Camborne
Departure Date: 22 Apr 1926
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Ship Name: Minnedosa
Lillie Goninon 51 (1884) Housekeeper
Leanita Goninon 25 (1910) Typist
97 Enye Road Camborne
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1935
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Athenia
country of last permanent residence USA
there's also this index
Leanita Goninon age 25 (1910)
Arrival Date: 27 Oct 1935
Arrival Port: Quebec, England
Birthplace: Camborne,
Birth Country: England
Race: English
Departure Port: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Ausonia
added same year as above
Lillie Goninon 23 (1912) Clerk
Leanita Goninon 22 (1913) Typist
97 Ennis Road Camborne
Departure Date: 19 Oct 1935
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Ship Name: Ausonia
country of intended permanent residence USA
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Obviously a link between Lilly/Lilian as another voyage 30th Sept 1938 Liverpool to New York on Vessel American Shipper shows a Lilly Goninon 55 and Leonita Goninon 28 at 97, Emys? Road, Camborne.
Keyboard86
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Obviously a link between Lilly/Lilian as another voyage 30th Sept 1938 Liverpool to New York on Vessel American Shipper shows a Lilly Goninon 55 and Leonita Goninon 28 at 97, Emys? Road, Camborne.
was adding to my previous post whilst red writing :) another entry of Lillie & Leanita
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1935
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Athenia
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Obviously a link between Lilly/Lilian as another voyage 30th Sept 1938 Liverpool to New York on Vessel American Shipper shows a Lilly Goninon 55 and Leonita Goninon 28 at 97, Emys? Road, Camborne.
was adding to my previous post whilst red writing :) another entry of Lillie & Leanita
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1935
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Athenia
Believe the address is 97, ENYS Road, Camborne, from my findings c these voyages a James G GONION b 1899 and Edward 1887 were living there?
Keyboard86
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I know that Leanita wrote a note in her book about Marina Beckerleg who was born about 1872 Ashton. But she used to say, that her uncle is William and not her father. She was on the Titanic at age 4 on April 1912 heading to New York by the way
Hi again, sorry to query this, but who was aged 4, were they viewing the Titanic prior to voyage or on it and one of the survivors?
Also a Richard Goninon 37 occ Miner departed Southampton for New York 16th July 1921 on Vessel Aquitania address in UK Denby Villa, Enys Road, Camborne
Keyboard86
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Found this site about the Goninon's.
https://sites.google.com/site/cornishroots/fm
It includes where the Goninons were in 1911 as well.
I still haven't any idea why my Passmore/Beckerleg should be mentioned.
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Believe the address is 97, ENYS Road, Camborne, from my findings c these voyages a James G GONION b 1899 and Edward 1887 were living there?
I believe James G is James Garfield Goninon and from the link posted by Maryann he's just Garfield Goninon on 1911 with mother Ann Selina, below is the 1901 census entry for this family posted previously on the thread by myself
Richard with his mother and siblings on
1901c RG13; Piece: 2243; Folio: 66; Page: 19 living in Cornwall
Ann S Goninon 45
Lillie Goninon 17
Richard Goninon 16
Edward Goninon 14
Leanita Goninon 12
Ethel Goninon 10
John Goninon 7
Willie Goninon 6
James Goninon 3
This appears to be his birth entry
Richard GONINNAN mmn WILLIAMS
1884 D Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 227
Can't see an obvious birth entry for Leanita GONINON born c 1889 ???
only these two birth around right year with same mmn as Richard :-\
Bessie GONINAN mmn WILLIAMS
1889 D Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 219
possible death
Bessie GONINON age 1
Dec 1890 Redruth 5c 179
and this entry
Anita Jane GONINAN mmn WILLIAMS
1888 S Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 218
Can't find the family on 1891 census to check names and Leanita is not with family on latest census with mother Ann Selina and 6 siblings
and parents marriage
Mar 1879 Redruth
Richard Goninon
Female name on same page
Ann Selina Williams
Hi again, sorry to query this, but who was aged 4, were they viewing the Titanic prior to voyage or on it and one of the survivors?
nancy01 posted this, think she was refering to Leanita
Richard is not her father either, but she wrote about him that he raised her for three years only before she visited the united state with her Aunt Lillie. and Richard was the one who took his sister Lillie and Leanita to the Titanic ship heading to new York in 1912, When leanita was 4 years old.
I'm getting slight confused now ??? Richard's sister Lillie & Leanita were born c1884 & c1889
if he took them to Titanic 1912 Lillie would have been aged 28 and Leanita aged 24 - did you miss type Leanita's age 4?
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from nancy01
Leanita who was 23 years old in 1910 is Richard sister.
There is also Leanita who was born in 1909. She left the UK on the Titanic when she was 4 years old who it happened to be my mother in law and passed away in 1992 in Vancouver
Canada Voters Lists 1935 – 1980 - I don't have access to view worldwide
Miss Lillie GONINON
Miss Leanita GONINON
Dates 1963, 1965, 1968 Essex Ontario Canada
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I think we are dealing with two different people who happened to have same name but related as an Aunt and a niece. Leanita who was 23 years old in 1910 is Richard sister. There is also Leanita who was born in 1909. She left the UK on the Titanic when she was 4 years old who it happened to be my mother in law and passed away in 1992 in Vancouver.
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Leanita who was born in 1909 was one of the survivors on the Titanic in 1912
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Lillie Goninon stayed and raised and cared for Leanita Goninon until hear death in ontario, Canada. They made a few trips back to the UK. But Leanita remained in Canada until her death in 1992
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I am confused about her brother Per, you mentioned he was born in 1908, but she was born in 1909 and she used to tell us about her younger brother Per. according to your info, he is older brother and not younger, hmmmm
these are the only birth entries I can see as mentioned previously by keyboard86
Dec 1908 Redruth 5c 167
GONINON Percy (GRO indexes mmn Trezise)
Mar 1910 Redruth 5c 166
GONINON Leanita (GRO indexes mmn Trezise)
and they are with their parents Richard & Louisa nee Trezise on latest census
1911 census free to search GONINAN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7LB-LQB
Richard 26 Camborne occ Platelayer
Louie(Louisa) 23 Camborne (nee TREZISE)
Percy 2 Illogan
Linita 1 Illogan
and their marriage entry
Jun 1908 Redruth 5c 455
GONINAN Richard
TREZISE Louisa
Do you have these birth certificates confirming their mother's name?
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Lillie Goninon stayed and raised and cared for Leanita Goninon until hear death in ontario, Canada. They made a few trips back to the UK. But Leanita remained in Canada until her death in 1992
Here is a list of the Titanic passengers
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-passengers-and-crew/
I can't find Leanita's name.
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Leanita who was born in 1909 was one of the survivors on the Titanic in 1912
My previous post should have been attacched to this one.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-passengers-and-crew/
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She left the UK on the Titanic when she was 4 years old who it happened to be my mother in law and passed away in 1992 in Vancouver.
Leanita who was born in 1909 was one of the survivors on the Titanic in 1912
Have I missed something obvious I can’t see the surname GONINON mentioned on Titanic survivor list ??? G’s start on page 74 surname GALE end page 82 surname GWINN
Did she have a different surname ?
Full list of Titanic Survivors: Comprehensive list of every survivor of the Titanic disaster with links to personal biographies
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivors/
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivors-list/
sorry to duplicate posted before seeing maryann's
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I think we are dealing with two different people who happened to have same name but related as an Aunt and a niece.
Leanita who was 23 years old in 1910 is Richard sister.
There does appear to be persons with same name on passengers lists on F M P
this site now has http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lbb/ British & Irish roots collection brings together more than 65 million records from across a wide variety of records from the United States and Canada.
Each record identifies a British or Irish emigrant who came to North America
sorry don’t have sub to check whose who
There are these persons names listed British & Irish roots collection
Leanita GONINON born c1870, 1910, 1913
Leonita GONINON born c 1910
Nena GONINON born c1911
Percy GONINON born c1909
Richard GONINON born c 1884, c 1886
Lillian GONINON born c1883, 1885
Lillie GONNINON born c1844, 1912
Lilly GONINON born c1883
and many others with surname GONINON
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??? So if Lillie was close to Leanita and Leanita aged 4 which would have made her birth c 1907/8 for the Titanic voyage 10th April 1912, then Lillie must have also been a survivor or am I missing something?
1891 family:-
Richard GONINAN 32
Austina 34
Lilly 7
Richard 6
Edward 4
Nettie 2
Letresa 3 months
Residing Camborne
Cenus ref RG12/1850/68/27
Keyboard86
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1891 family:-
Richard GONINAN 32
Austina 34
Lilly 7
Richard 6
Edward 4
Nettie 2
Letresa 3 months
Residing Camborne
Cenus ref RG12/1850/68/27
Well done keyboard :) For whatever reason I just couldn't spot them
surname transcribed as GOMSIAN on Anc*y
Ontario Deaths and Overseas Deaths, 1939-1947
Percy Goninon occ Stenographer
369 Josephine Ave Windsor Ont.
Date: 26 Nov 1928 Essex, Ontario, Canada
Age: 20yrs 2 months 23 days
Birth Date: 03 Sep 1908 Birthplace: Liobogon England Sept 3/08
Father's Name: Richard Goninon
Mother's Name: Louize Treziel
Burial Windsor Grove Cemetery
Informant Uncle Mr Jack Goninon 369 Josephine Ave
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6863-78S?i=864&cc=1307826
1940 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89M1-V7VT?i=28&cc=2000219
Tract 849, Ferndale, Ferndale City, Oakland, Michigan, United States
William Goninon Head 45 (1895) Welder
Llie Goninon sister 49 (1891) dressmaker
Nena Goninon 24 niece (1916) new worker
1930 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRH6-82M?i=25&cc=1810731
William and brother James G GONINON are lodging with the Baldwin family, their immigration year 1923
Royal Oak, Oakland, Michigan, United States
William Goninon 32 Welder
James G Goninon 30 butcher
I maybe completely wrong but as I see it this GONINON family are on 1901 census, although father is not with them their parents are
Richard Goninon & Ann Selina nee Williams and Leanita is William. Lillie & James' niece and she is the daughter of their brother Richard
Richard Goninon born c1884 married Louisa nee Trezise
United States World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
William Goninon
Type: Draft Registration
Date: 1942 Place: Ferndale, Oakland, Michigan, United States
Residence Place: Ferndale, Oakland, Michigan
Birth 01 Jan 1895 born Cornwall
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-KJ9Z-B4?cc=1861144
Michigan, Detroit Manifests of Arrivals at the Port of Detroit, 1906-1954
John Goninon 35, painter born Camborne Cornwall
Type: Immigration Date: 04 Jan 1928 Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Last residence Ontario, Windsor going to join William Goninon in Michigan,
Name nearest relative Lilly Goninon 369 Josephine Ave Windsor Ont
Michigan, Detroit Manifests of Arrivals at the Port of Detroit, 1906-1954
Leanita Goninon 20 (1910) Cornwall, occ stenography accompanied by Lily Goninon
Type: Immigration
Date: 05 May 1930 Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Nationality: England
Last permanent residence Canada, Windsor Ont.
Destination Mich. Detroit going to join Jas (James) Goninon Michigan
Name and address of nearest relative John Goninon 312 ? St Windsor Ont.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1R-R51?cc=1916040
Michigan, Detroit Manifests of Arrivals at the Port of Detroit, 1906-1954
Leanita Goninon 25 (1910) typist accompanied by Aunt
Type: Immigration
Date: 29 Oct 1935 Event Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Nationality: British
Going to join Uncle James Goninon 355E Lewiston Ave Ferndale
Name and address of nearest relative brother E Goninon Enys Rd Camborne Cornwall
Perhaps that should have been Uncle E Gonion rather than brother :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1R-RB4?cc=1916040
Michigan, Detroit Manifests of Arrivals at the Port of Detroit, 1906-1954
Lillie Goninon 51 Cornwall accompanied by Niece
Event Type: Immigration
Date: 29 Oct 1935 Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Nationality: British
Going to join brother James Goninon 355 E Lewiston Ave Ferndale
Nearest relative brother E Goninon Enys Rd Camborne
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1R-RTK?i=769&cc=1916040
all above details can be viewed on familysearch.org
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Seems they entered a little piece of history when completing the childrens' analysis
in addition to transcription errors / poor handwriting.
Birth Leo Maud Passmore (mm Beckerleg) 1897 QJ Redruth V5c P193
Death Leo Maud Passmore ( Age 1yr ) 1898 Q2 Redruth V5c P147
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I think we are dealing with two different people who happened to have same name but related as an Aunt and a niece. Leanita who was 23 years old in 1910 is Richard sister. There is also Leanita who was born in 1909. She left the UK on the Titanic when she was 4 years old who it happened to be my mother in law and passed away in 1992 in Vancouver.
So not the Leanita Goninon who died 8th October 1991 Vancouver aged 81
Also if born 28th December 1909 she would be 1 28th December 1910 2 28th December 1911 and 3 28th December 1912, as already shown the Titanic departed 10th April 1912?
Keyboard86
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Seems they entered a little piece of history when completing the childrens' analysis
in addition to transcription errors / poor handwriting.
Birth Leo Maud Passmore (mm Beckerleg) 1897 QJ Redruth V5c P193
Death Leo Maud Passmore ( Age 1yr ) 1898 Q2 Redruth V5c P147
1911 has her with her family and she is clearly written as Lea Mude age 1.
I should have added that the family added her on the 1911 census although she had died.
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The record shows a child aged 1yr old matching the birth/death regs.
The record shows 7 born, 6 living, 1 died.
Is there another child matching the "1 died" ?
Transcription / writing errors say "Leo" rather than "Lea". (even "Leah"?)
"Mude" is clearly meant to be "Maud(e)".
Is/are there any (other) missing facts?
Ray
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Hi Ray, the bit that puzzled me was Lea Mude aged 1 was shown above Irene/Irena aged 3, possibly Mude is the Sophia b March qtr 1906 mmn Beckerleg
Irene is mmn Beckerleg
But not having gone back through the whole thread am not sure if this has already been replied to?
Keyboard86
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The info I have here in Canada which was given to me directly does not match the info posted on this chat about the Goninon family.
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Page 1 and 2 have the details and that is where the Goninon family were thrown in the mix.
As far as I can see,there is no Goninon in the Passmore family,but then I haven't checked this family since 2016.
There were 7 children born and 6 living and 1 died written in that census.
As to Lea Mude. It looks as if they included the child in the 1911 census,writing her age as 1. As she was when she died.
The other Mude in 1911 was Sophia Maud.
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Page 1 and 2 have the details and that is where the Goninon family were thrown in the mix.
As far as I can see,there is no Goninon in the Passmore family,but then I haven't checked this family since 2016.
There were 7 children born and 6 living and 1 died written in that census.
As to Lea Mude. It looks as if they included the child in the 1911 census,writing her age as 1. As she was when she died.
The other Mude in 1911 was Sophia Maud.
I don’t know why Keyboard86 asked the question
reply 15
Hi just how many were in the household in 1911?
Anyone checked out the Leanita Goninon March qtr 1910 Redruth 5c 166?
Keyboard86
I replied with following
reply 16
This might be her
Leanita Goninon age 25 (1910) Cornwall, England
Arrival Date: 29 Oct 1935
Arrival Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Departure Contact: Brother E Goninon
Accompanied by: Aunt Lillie Goninon
Arrival Contact: Uncle James Goninon
Leanite Goninon age 25 typist
Lillie Goninon age 55 house keeper
97 Enya Rd Cambone Cornwall
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1935
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Athenia
It looks as if she’s on the Canadian Voters list for
1963 Essex Ontario
Miss Leanita Goninon occ Typ.
Leanita born 1910 may have a connection to this Goninon family living in Cambone
1901 RG13; Piece: 2243; Folio: 66; Page: 19
Ann S 45, Lillie 17, Richard 16, Edward 14, Leanita 12, Ethel 10, John 7, Willie 6 James 3
And your replies 17 & 18
Leanita Goninon can be discounted because of the surname.
Thanks for that but I have ruled her out.
And Nancy01 asked this question reply 27
Hello Maryanne,
I am just wondering, why are you interested in finding information about
Sophia Maud Passmore and her children in particular Leanita Goninon.
I am very much wanted to connect with you on this topic, Nancy
– hence all subsequent posts re: Leanita GONINON
Added missed off these replies
reply 34 - keyboard
Hi to my knowledge no one is looking for Leanita Goninon, it was just an option of a birth for Lea Maud Passmore that we were trying to locate for maryanne?
reply 36 - nancy01
Leanita wrote a book in 1983 but is still unpublished and she did mention in her drafted book about someone by this name (Lea Mude Passmore).
I am wondering what is the connection?
she did not say much accept she mentioned her in a paragraph. Also, she wrote a poem addressed " to my mother Sophie"
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Thanks for updating to make things easier Ladythawke.
Just to make things more difficult.
I don't know if this appeared anywhere in this post but I have found a 1909 marriage in the Redruth District for a Leonita Goninon to either William Henry Warren or William Hocking.
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Thanks for updating to make things easier Ladythawke.
Just to make things more difficult.
I don't know if this appeared anywhere in this post but I have found a 1909 marriage in the Redruth District for a Leonita Goninon to either William Henry Warren or William Hocking.
Leanita b c 1890 married William Hockin/g
Keyboard86
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Thanks for updating to make things easier Ladythawke.
Just to make things more difficult.
I don't know if this appeared anywhere in this post but I have found a 1909 marriage in the Redruth District for a Leonita Goninon to either William Henry Warren or William Hocking.
Leanita b 1890 married William Hockin/g
for info. to confirm keyboards reply there is a public tree showing 1909 marriage certificate for Amelia Reynolds to William Henry H Warren
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Hi again a Leanita Hocking 32 Wife departed Southampton for New York 26th August 1921 on vessel Empress of India address in UK Pentel Villa, Enys Road, Camborne
Keyboard86
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Hi again a Leanita Hocking 32 Wife departed Southampton for New York 26th August 1921 on vessel Empress of India address in UK Pentel Villa, Enys Road, Camborne
Keyboard86
Oregon, Naturalization Records 1865-1991 Immigration & Travel
Leanita Hocking
William Hocking
California, Voter Registrations, 1900-1968
1900-1928 Nevada California
Mrs Leanita Hocking
sorry don't have access to view further details
familysearch.org has this
1930 Grass Valley, Nevada, California, United States
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCDF-XYH
William Hocking 39 England occ Electrician
immigration year: 1912
Leanita Hocking 38 (1892) England
immigration year: 1921
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Hi again a Leanita Hocking 32 Wife departed Southampton for New York 26th August 1921 on vessel Empress of India address in UK Pentel Villa, Enys Road, Camborne
Keyboard86
I can't find her in the 1911 census. The only thing that I can find in 1911 are 2 named William and Lilly Hocking, both age 6 ,living with their grandfather Thomas Negus (transcribed as Nigus) at Tehidy Road,Camborne.
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Try HOCKIN b 1890
Keyboard86
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Try HOCKIN b 1890
Keyboard86
Thanks.
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The info I have here in Canada which was given to me directly does not match the info posted on this chat about the Goninon family.
Hi again Nancy, for whatever reason I have attempted to PM you and failed about the results we have located that were obviously wrong from your knowledge and the book by Leanita. We have a Leanita b 28th December 1909 Registered March qtr 1910 who is not the one on the maiden voyage of the Titanic 10th April 1912 aged 4 accompanied by her Aunt Lillie who was the sister of a Richard, both must have been survivors as Lillie cared for Leanita nick name Nena for many years, Leanita had a brother Percy who was younger than her, so not the Percy we found b 1908 who died in Canada aged 20 whereas your Percy died on the morning of his 21st birthday.
If you wish us to hopefully locate another Leanita/Percy with an Aunt Lillie sister of a Richard in Camborne area let us know, possibly our Leanita Goninon is the one who died 1991 Vancouver aged 81 not yours who died 1992 Vancouver?
All the best
Keyboard86
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Nena Goninon from Canada , had two poems published .
The first in 1942 and the second in 1947. The second says that it from a Cornish lady , gives her full address and says it is copyrighted in Canada.
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Hi
. . . . . and these poems can be found where?
Ray
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Nena Goninon from Canada , had two poems published .
The first in 1942 and the second in 1947. The second says that it from a Cornish lady , gives her full address and says it is copyrighted in Canada.
Once again possibly the "other" Nena Goninon of Ferndale, Michigan 12420 looks to have written the words and melody of a song 15th March 1939 ( Google Books)?
Keyboard86
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Nena Goninon from Canada , had two poems published .
The first in 1942 and the second in 1947. The second says that it from a Cornish lady , gives her full address and says it is copyrighted in Canada.
Once again possibly the "other" Nena Goninon of Ferndale, Michigan 12420 looks to have written the words and melody of a song 15th March 1939 ( Google Books)?
Is this the same Nena as mentioned above? (taken from my reply 78)
1940 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89M1-V7VT?i=28&cc=2000219
Tract 849, Ferndale, Ferndale City, Oakland, Michigan, United States
William Goninon Head 45 (1895) Welder
Llie Goninon sister 49 (1891) dressmaker
Nena Goninon 24 niece (1916) new worker
and William with his brother
1930 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRH6-82M?i=25&cc=1810731
William and brother James G GONINON are lodging with the Baldwin family,
their immigration year 1923
Royal Oak, Oakland, Michigan, United States
William Goninon 32 Welder
James G Goninon 30 butcher
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Hi
. . . . . and these poems can be found where?
Ray
FindMyPast newspapers.
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Nena Goninon from Canada , had two poems published .
The first in 1942 and the second in 1947. The second says that it from a Cornish lady , gives her full address and says it is copyrighted in Canada.
Nena Goninon of Windsor Ontario 28th September 1942
Is this the same person?
Michigan, Detroit Manifests of Arrivals at the Port of Detroit, 1906-1954
Leanita Goninon 20 (1910) Cornwall, occ stenography accompanied by Lily Goninon
Type: Immigration
Date: 05 May 1930 Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Nationality: England
Last permanent residence Canada, Windsor Ont.
Destination Mich. Detroit going to join Jas Goninon, Michigan
Name and address of nearest relative John Goninon 312 ? St Windsor Ont.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1R-R51?cc=1916040
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Nena Goninon from Canada , had two poems published .
The first in 1942 and the second in 1947. The second says that it from a Cornish lady , gives her full address and says it is copyrighted in Canada.
Nena Goninon of Windsor Ontario 28th September 1942
Is this the same person?
Michigan, Detroit Manifests of Arrivals at the Port of Detroit, 1906-1954
Leanita Goninon 20 (1910) Cornwall, occ stenography accompanied by Lily Goninon
Type: Immigration
Date: 05 May 1930 Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Nationality: England
Last permanent residence Canada, Windsor Ont.
Destination Mich. Detroit going to join Jas Goninon, Michigan
Name and address of nearest relative John Goninon 312 ? St Windsor Ont.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1R-R51?cc=1916040
Windsor.Ontario,is her address in 1947.
One poem finishes with "Ane exiles dream of home"
All I am interested in is where do the Passmores fit in.
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Hi
. . . . . and these poems can be found where?
Ray
FindMyPast newspapers.
May I just say two beautifully worded poems written for two seperate reasons.
Keyboard86
EDIT Her address was 1669, Goyeau Street, Windsor, Ontario.
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Hi
. . . . . and these poems can be found where?
Ray
FindMyPast newspapers.
May I just say two beautifully worded poems written for two seperate reasons.
Keyboard86
Agreed.
Just found a 3rd poem published in newspaper Sept 1941. Ontario address but originally from Ferndale,Mich.
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All I am interested in is where do the Passmores fit in.
That's understandable - sorry I don't have an answer :(
Hopefully Nancy may be able to offer more assistance
quotes from Nancy01 on your thread
why are you interested in finding information about Sophia Maud Passmore and her children in particular Leanita Goninon. I am very much wanted to connect with you on this topic,
Leanita wrote a note in her book about Marina Beckerleg who was born about 1872 Ashton
Leanita has notes referring to Marina who was living in 1881 with her parents and siblings at 3, East Charles Street,Camborne and in 1901 she went to live at Tehidy and she cut all her contacts with her.
Leanita wrote a book in 1983 but is still unpublished and she did mention in her drafted book about someone by this name (Lea Mude Passmore). I am wondering what is the connection?
Maybe you could send her a personal message to see if she will share a copy of her note/s
Wishing you good luck :)
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I sent her a personal message on Saturday but have had no reply.
More than likely my Passmores were people that Leanita/Nena knew when she lived in Camborne.
Marina/Merina Passmore died in 1945.
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I sent her a personal message on Saturday but have had no reply.
More than likely my Passmores were people that Leanita/Nena knew when she lived in Camborne.
Marina/Merina Passmore died in 1945.
Same, just wondering why someone born 1909 was communicating with someone 34 years older?
Keyboard86
The 1941 poem was titled "Elaine"
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:) Lovely when you look at the Newspapers in Butte, Montana like this one:-
8th May 1949
Mrs Elizabeth Goninon wife of Richard Goninon of 3046 Phillps died late Friday night at Butte Hospital, Mrs Goninon was native of Cornwall England and for last 35 years resided in Butte.
Mrs Goninon is survived by her husband Richard, a daughter Miss Lenata Goninon, one Sister in Law Miss Lillie Goninon, Brothers in Law John Goninon of WINDSOR Ontario, William Goninon of Detroit, and Garfield & Edward Goninon both of England
Montana Standard 24th April 1950
Richard Goninon a native of England and a resident of Butte past 46 years died early Sunday morning at a local hospital, the family home in 3046 Phillips.
Mr Goninon was a member of the Butte Miners Union, he is survived by his wife Olga J Goninon, a daughter Miss Lenata Goninon in Canada, Sister Lillie in Canada, four brothers John of Windsor, Ontario, William of Detroit, Garfield & Edward in England
The body is at White's Funeral House
Keyboard86
To be honest this Leanita/Nena knows so much about the Beckerleg/Passmore family their must be something in it, or was it just through the communication of Merina and her?
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:) Lovely when you look at the Newspapers in Butte, Montana like this one:-
8th May 1949
Mrs Elizabeth Goninon wife of Richard Goninon of 3046 Phillps died late Friday night at Butte Hospital, Mrs Goninon was native of Cornwall England and for last 35 years resided in Butte.
Mrs Goninon is survived by her husband Richard, a daughter Miss Lenata Goninon, one Sister in Law Miss Lillie Goninon, Brothers in Law John Goninon of WINDSOR Ontario, William Goninon of Detroit, and Garfield & Edward Goninon both of England
Montana Standard 24th April 1950
Richard Goninon a native of England and a resident of Butte past 46 years died early Sunday morning at a local hospital, the family home in 3046 Phillips.
Mr Goninon was a member of the Butte Miners Union, he is survived by his wife Olga J Goninon, a daughter Miss Lenata Goninon in Canada, Sister Lillie in Canada,
four brothers John of Windsor, Ontario, William of Detroit, Garfield & Edward in England
The body is at White's Funeral Home
Keyboard86
Great research :)
Richard’s marriage on family search confirms Richards parents are Richard Goninon and Ann selina nee Williams
Richard Goninon widow age 65
26 Oct 1949
Butte, Silver Bow, Montana
Father's Name Richard Goninon
Mother's Name Anselea Williams
Spouse's Olga Johnsen age 57
Spouse's Father's Name Martin Schubert
Spouse's Mother's Name Marie Hansen
Added brought 1901 census forward to show family together their names match up
from 1949 & 1950 Newspapers, Richard Snr not at home
RG13; Piece: 2243; Folio: 66; Page: 19 living in Cornwall
Ann S Goninon 45
Lillie Goninon 17
Richard Goninon 16
Edward Goninon 14
Leanita Goninon 12
Ethel Goninon 10
John Goninon 7
Willie Goninon 6
James Goninon 3
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Hi again, getting both frustrated and confused with Leanita/Nena and her Aunt Lillie, just where and why/how did Leanita or family find funds to afford houses in Portreath, why in her name, Uncle William/Willie stole/took the ownership from her?
Then we have the Miss L Goninon who flew on Trans Canada Airlines London to Montreal 15th August 1953?
Also a Miss Lilyie Goninon aged 71 and a Miss Leonata Goninon 48 who flew from Kindley Fields, Bermuda to Montreal 15th August 1954 again on Trans Canada Airlines?
Keyboard86
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I have been looking at my past posts and wondered why Sophia was going to the US to marry Mr F G Jones. He was living in Detroit. There was a line through her entry so did she make the trip?
Did he live in Cornwall and did he know the Goninons.
Sophia the daughter of Marina/Merina was born in 1905.
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Hi again, getting both frustrated and confused with Leanita/Nena and her Aunt Lillie, just where and why/how did Leanita or family find funds to afford houses in Portreath, why in her name, Uncle William/Willie stole/took the ownership from her?
Then we have the Miss L Goninon who flew on Trans Canada Airlines London to Montreal 15th August 1953?
Also a Miss Lilyie Goninon aged 71 and a Miss Leonata Goninon 48 who flew from Kindley Fields, Bermuda to Montreal 15th August 1954 again on Trans Canada Airlines?
Keyboard86
I agree that is is frustrating and unfortunately the person who can help isn't replying.
She was so sure that the Passmore's were mentioned in the book.
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I have been looking at my past posts and wondered why Sophia was going to the US
to marry Mr F G Jones.
He was living in Detroit. There was a line through her entry so did she make the trip?
Did he live in Cornwall and did he know the Goninons.
Sophia the daughter of Marina/Merina was born in 1905.
Sophia born 1905 in Camborne and Sophia is on Ellis Island as going to the US in 1923 arriving 4th October 1923.
Sophia was to meet her intended husband Mr F G Jones who lived at 4036?, Brooklyn Avenue,Detroit ,Michigan and she called herself Sophia Maud
her father was William H Passmore who was living in Camborne was her nearest relative
Sophia Maud Passmore 18 Camborne England Arrival 4 Oct 1923
Port of Departure Southampton Port of Arrival New York, New York
Ship Name Homeric
If only there was a full name for Mr F G Jones, might have made things a bit easier to research him in US ???
Is there any way of checking the Michigan address to see who was living there?
The Goninon brothers William & James Garfield were on 1930 US Census in Michigan
address Royal Oak, Oakland, Michigan and in 1930 & 1935 a Leanita Goninon age 20 (1910) Cornwall, occ stenography/typist accompanied by Aunt Lily Goninon were going to Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States to join her Uncle Jas Goninon, Michigan
1930 address for Jas Goninon 618 S. Al? Det. Mich.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1R-R51?i=767&cc=1916040
1935 address for Jas Goninon 335E Lewiston Av Ferndale
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1R-RB4?i=768&cc=1916040
As you mention did the Passmore's know the Goninon family from Cornwall and did Mr F G Jones know both families - not found a connection ???
Hi again, getting both frustrated and confused with Leanita/Nena and her Aunt Lillie,
just where and why/how did Leanita or family find funds to afford houses in Portreath,
why in her name, Uncle William/Willie stole/took the ownership from her?
Then we have the Miss L Goninon who flew on Trans Canada Airlines London to Montreal 15th August 1953?
Also a Miss Lilyie Goninon aged 71 and a Miss Leonata Goninon 48 who flew from Kindley Fields, Bermuda to Montreal 15th August 1954 again on Trans Canada Airlines?
Keyboard86
I agree that is is frustrating and unfortunately the person who can help isn't replying.
She was so sure that the Passmore's were mentioned in the book.
Nancy was last active on Sunday - so should be receiving all these messages - it would be nice if she responded,
she did post following
I am very curious more now than ever to know more about my mother in law who was too secretive of her life in Canada.
and
If you need more information or pictures. I would like to assist
Fingers crossed when Nancy receives these notifications she will get back in touch and maybe able to 'shed some light' on the Passmore's and Goninon's :-\
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Hi all, the other brother John Goninon b c 1893 is also shown visiting his brother William 1st April 1928 mention of sister Lillie in Windsor, Ontario
Also:-
John Goninon aged 30 oc Butcher address Penla Villa, Enye Road, Camborne departed Southampton for Halifax 30th January 1924 on Vessel Zealand
John Goninon aged 62 occ Painter/ Retired address 63, Hughville Street, Camborne departed Southampton for Quebec 4th June 1954 on Vessel Atlantic Express
Keyboard86
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Hughville Street and Enys Road are next to each other.
Is there anyway of finding whether this a manifest with Sophia's return on it if she did go.
I also wonder if she booked to go but changed her mind which is why there is a line through her name.
Ellis Island has quite a few F G Jones unfortunately.
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Hi by using 1923 Southampton to New York vessel Homeric in Passenger Lists on FindMyPast her name does not appear, I also note quite a few others with lines ruled through on the arrival in US?
Keyboard86
EDIT just checked a Caroline Paul b 1890 she was on the voyage 1st October 1923 and arrived in US
NO Line through her name.
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Is there anyway of finding whether this a manifest with Sophia's return on it if she did go.
I also wonder if she booked to go but changed her mind which is why there is a line through her name.
I could’nt find a Sophia Passmore on the Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 lists on Anc*y
I don't have a sub to F M P
Do you think this entry may contain any further info.?
British & Irish Roots Collection *
Passmore Sophia Maud 1905 — 1923
Snippet says *
ground-breaking collection gives family historians the chance to trace their ancestors' journeys across the
Atlantic like never before by bringing together a wide range of record sets
First time such an expansive database has been curated in such a way.
Exclusively with F M P, can trace the origins of their trans Atlantic ancestors all in one place.
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Looked at it just a transcipt of what is shown on the arrival Ellis Island.
Keyboard86
EDIT Source New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
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Is there anyway of finding whether this a manifest with Sophia's return on it if she did go.
I also wonder if she booked to go but changed her mind which is why there is a line through her name.
I could’nt find a Sophia Passmore on the Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 lists on Anc*y
I don't have a sub to F M P
Do you think this entry may contain any further info.?
British & Irish Roots Collection *
Passmore Sophia Maud 1905 — 1923
Snippet says *
ground-breaking collection gives family historians the chance to trace their ancestors' journeys across the
Atlantic like never before by bringing together a wide range of record sets
First time such an expansive database has been curated in such a way.
Exclusively with F M P, can trace the origins of their trans Atlantic ancestors all in one place.
More information about her on the Ellis Island site than FindMyPast. On Ellis Island at least it has details of who she is going to and where she came from.
If I didn't see that I would know whether the FindMyPast was her her not.
Looking at the tree Sophia married in 1925,so I think that she changed her mind and didn't go to the US.
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I wonder if F G Jones will be on the census which would be the 1930 at the address given?
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Hi if you have FindMyPast why not check out the Caroline Paul b 1890, as Sophia Maud was on same page of manifest?
Personally think she changed her mind, booking a voyage must have been made some time beforehand?!
Keyboard86
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Hi if you have FindMyPast why not check out the Caroline Paul b 1890, as Sophia Maud was on same page of manifest?
Personally think she changed her mind, booking a voyage must have been made some time beforehand?!
Keyboard86
The ship left on the 26th Sept 1923 and FindMyPast has the handwritten copy and Caroline is there with her husband with husband and son but Sophia isn't there.
So Sophia changed her mind. That doesn't solve the mystery of F G Jones.
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:) 26th September 1923 long voyage to America, the one I have for Caroline is 1st October 1923 ?
Keyboard86
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:) 26th September 1923 long voyage to America, the one I have for Caroline is 1st October 1923 ?
Keyboard86
Is Oct when they arrived?
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:) 26th September 1923 long voyage to America, the one I have for Caroline is 1st October 1923 ?
Keyboard86
Is Oct when they arrived? It is the same ship that Sophia had her named crossed out. The Homeric.
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The Homeric arrived 4th October 1923 departed 1st October 1923, where did the September date come from?
OK looking at the original it is 26th September 1923, now wondering how/why it was transcribed as 1st October?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, getting both frustrated and confused with Leanita/Nena and her Aunt Lillie, just where and why/how did Leanita or family find funds to afford houses in Portreath, why in her name, Uncle William/Willie stole/took the ownership from her?
Then we have the Miss L Goninon who flew on Trans Canada Airlines London to Montreal 15th August 1953?
Also a Miss Lilyie Goninon aged 71 and a Miss Leonata Goninon 48 who flew from Kindley Fields, Bermuda to Montreal 15th August 1954 again on Trans Canada Airlines?
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I agree that is is frustrating and unfortunately the person who can help isn't replying.
She was so sure that the Passmore's were mentioned in the book.
. Hi everyone. Sorry for the delay. I was doing my own research. We are writing a fascinating book about Leanita Goninon. We do have her two drafted original poems books. We are working with a publisher at this time.
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Sophia Maud Passmore has also a family connection to Barbra, Betty and Margarette Guggenheim family and Goninon family
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Hi
. . . . . and these poems can be found where?
Ray
FindMyPast newspapers.
I have the original poem books. We are working on publishing them shortly
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:) Lovely when you look at the Newspapers in Butte, Montana like this one:-
8th May 1949
Mrs Elizabeth Goninon wife of Richard Goninon of 3046 Phillps died late Friday night at Butte Hospital, Mrs Goninon was native of Cornwall England and for last 35 years resided in Butte.
Mrs Goninon is survived by her husband Richard, a daughter Miss Lenata Goninon, one Sister in Law Miss Lillie Goninon, Brothers in Law John Goninon of WINDSOR Ontario, William Goninon of Detroit, and Garfield & Edward Goninon both of England
Montana Standard 24th April 1950
Richard Goninon a native of England and a resident of Butte past 46 years died early Sunday morning at a local hospital, the family home in 3046 Phillips.
Mr Goninon was a member of the Butte Miners Union, he is survived by his wife Olga J Goninon, a daughter Miss Lenata Goninon in Canada, Sister Lillie in Canada, four brothers John of Windsor, Ontario, William of Detroit, Garfield & Edward in England
The body is at White's Funeral House
Keyboard86
To be honest this Leanita/Nena knows so much about the Beckerleg/Passmore family their must be something in it, or was it just through the communication of Merina and her?
there is a family connection between Passmore/Gonninon/ Guggenheim
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I will try to post info on this matter in due course. I was told by a publisher to limit my information at this time.
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I saw this name in Leanita's notes William Mitchell ROBERTS, beside Sophia's name, any clue, it mentioned something about marriage certificate
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Just to drop a quick note; as it is written, that Sohpia was indeed living in Detroit, Michigan, USA and she was very close friend to Leanita Goninon. who was known to Sophia as (NENA). Leanita wrote a poem about Sophia which reflect about her life.
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As far as we know, that Louise and Richard are not the real parent for Leantia and Percy. Louise could not have children due to her continuous miscarriages. It is impossible.
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I saw this name in Leanita's notes William Mitchell ROBERTS, beside Sophia's name, any clue, it mentioned something about marriage certificate
I know who Sophia married.
Just to drop a quick note; as it is written, that Sohpia was indeed living in Detroit, Michigan, USA and she was very close friend to Leanita Goninon. who was known to Sophia as (NENA). Leanita wrote a poem about Sophia which reflect about her life.
Have you any idea when she returned to the United Kingdom? I can't find her on any incoming passenger lists.As far as we know, that Louise and Richard are not the real parent for Leantia and Percy. Louise could not have children due to her continuous miscarriages. It is impossible.
One would have to look at the GRO to see Leanita and Percy's mother's maiden name.
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Sophia Maud Passmore has also a family connection to Barbra, Betty and Margarette Guggenheim family and Goninon family
I haven't come across those names in my research/ May be they were just friends.
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I saw this name in Leanita's notes William Mitchell ROBERTS, beside Sophia's name, any clue, it mentioned something about marriage certificate
Hi with Camborne link he could be the William Mitchell Roberts b Dec 1905 Redruth mmn Dennis, his parents where Richard Roberts and Elizabeth ( Mary ) Dennis married 1884.
Keyboard86
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As far as we know, that Louise and Richard are not the real parent for Leantia and Percy. Louise could not have children due to her continuous miscarriages. It is impossible.
I don't understand that information because the GRO has:
Birth of Leanita Goninon Redruth District March qtr 1910 and mother's maiden name is Trezise.
Percy birth is Redruth District Dec qtr 1908 and mother's maiden name is Trezise.
FreeBMD has Richard Goninan and Louise Trezise marrying June qtr 1908 in the Redruth District.
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As far as we know, that Louise and Richard are not the real parent for Leantia and Percy.
Louise could not have children due to her continuous miscarriages. It is impossible.
I don't understand that information because the GRO has:
Birth of Leanita Goninon Redruth District March qtr 1910 and mother's maiden name is Trezise.
Percy birth is Redruth District Dec qtr 1908 and mother's maiden name is Trezise.
FreeBMD has Richard Goninan and Louise Trezise marrying June qtr 1908 in the Redruth District.
???
His parents names are mentioned here as Richard & Louise on the death record - can be viewed on familysearch see link below
Ontario Deaths and Overseas Deaths, 1939-1947
Percy Goninon occ Stenographer
369 Josephine Ave Windsor Ont.
Date: 26 Nov 1928 Essex, Ontario, Canada
Age: 20yrs 2 months 23 days
Birth Date: 03 Sep 1908 Birthplace: Liobogon England
Father's Name: Richard Goninon
Mother's Name: Louize Treziel
Burial Windsor Grove Cemetery
Informant Uncle Mr Jack Goninon 369 Josephine Ave
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6863-78S?i=864&cc=1307826
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I can't find Sophia on an incoming manifest and where will there be information about her living in Detroit?
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There is Maud Passmore incoming passsenger list arrival at Southampton.
I haven't an ancestry subscription.
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As far as we know, that Louise and Richard are not the real parent for Leantia and Percy. Louise could not have children due to her continuous miscarriages. It is impossible.
Look at the year of marriage of the parents and the birth of Percy. Marriage just before Percy's birth.
1908.
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I can't find Sophia on an incoming manifest and where will there be information about her living in Detroit?
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There is Maud Passmore incoming passenger list arrival at Southampton.
I haven't an ancestry subscription.
I can't find a Sophia Maud Passmore either ???
There are four entries for persons named Maud Passmore arriving Southampton
from South Africa years 1935 born 1869, 1938, 1949, 1954 born c 1884
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I can't find Sophia on an incoming manifest and where will there be information about her living in Detroit?
Added:
There is Maud Passmore incoming passenger list arrival at Southampton.
I haven't an ancestry subscription.
I can't find a Sophia Maud Passmore either ???
There are four entries for persons named Maud Passmore arriving Southampton
from South Africa years 1935 born 1869, 1938, 1949, 1954 born c 1884
I tried the Passmore with one s but found nothing.