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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: jillyinnes on Thursday 28 April 16 08:13 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me discover the maiden name of my 3 gr grandmother, Mary, who was married to William Fuller. Going by the 1841 census she was born abt 1791 and was not born in that county. The 1851 Census said she was born in Staffordshire. Also in the 1851 Census is a Thomas Richardson so I have tried to connect those two, but with no luck. 1861 Census says she was born at Abbots Bromley, Staffordshire.
She died in 1861. Her husband, William Fuller was born 1785 and died 1872 and both are buried in St John the Baptist Church, Old Malden, Kingston, Surrey, along with his parents.
Many family trees in Ancestry suggest her maiden name was Browning (who was also married to a William Fuller) however I have been assured by members of this family that this particular William Fuller and Mary Browning had no children. The family has documents proving this.
Perhaps Mary's maiden name was 'Browning'. If I order FNL Film Number 547369, would that give me her parents name, or more particularly, would it tell me if it is the correct William Fuller? Mary Browning and William Fuller were married in 1806 at St Dunstans of the West, London.
My William and Mary had 9 children. Their first child, also William, was born in 1808.
cheers
Jill
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Hi Jill
do you know where the 1st child was baptised?
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The St Dunstan in the West marriage say that William is of the parish (bachelor) and Mary Browning of the parish of St Georges, Bloomsbury (spinster)
In the presence of Wm Nottage, Eliza Crosley, Sarah Browning Fuller and Louisa Nottidge
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Fathers names aren't routinely shown until 1837, before that they may have acted as a witness and you recognise the name
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All children were baptised at St Mary Magdalene, Richmond, Surrey, UK
This is what the Ancestry contact said:
"FromAncestry family tree - My William Fuller 1756-1848 is buried in Tooting Graveney, Surrey and he was a partner in Child's Bank. He married Mary Browning on 21 June 1806 at St Dunstan in the West. She was my 5G aunt. He was baptized 16 Jan 1757 son of William and Sarah Fuller. I know this to be the William Fuller who married Mary Browning in 1806 and Sarah Browning Fuller is his sister. She never married. I have all their wills and other documentation and am quite certain of the data I have. My William Fuller and Sarah Browning were first cousins. The other persons named as witnesses in their marriage are also relations of Mary Browning, who is the daughter of John Browning and Louisa Barton. William Fuller and Mary Browning did not have any children and left their estates to the children of Augusta Browning who was Mary's sister.
Hope this helps, but I don't think your William married my Mary Browning. My Brownings lived around Bermondsey, Southwark at the time of the marriage of Mary."
cheers
Jill
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Looking at the burial register, aged 77 in 1861, and the 1851 census aged 66, her birth may have been around 1784/1785/1786.
Ages were round down to the nearest 5 in the 1841 census, so noted aged 50, she could have been 54 which would mean a birth around 1787
The parish registers for Abbots Bromley are online, there are 43 Mary's baptised between 1780 and 1790, none were Browning or Richardson
I also had a look at the 1851 and used Abbots Bromley as a keyword to see who else had left the area and moved this far south, the names of interest are Hannah Gaunt in Marylebone, William Hart in Stepney, John Heshaw in St George Hanover Square and Rupert Wigan in Lambeth.
Of course there may no connection whatsover with these people, but it is unusual to find someone moving so far at that time, Staffordshire to Surrey, without a connection
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Mary's death announcement confirms her age in June 1861 as 77. https://goo.gl/ZI32Ky
If that's right she must have been born in 1783/4.
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Hi Dawn
Just wondering what the connection is between Mary from Abbots Bromley and the names you gave as having left the area. Do you think one of these could be related?
cheers
Jill
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It is always a possibility and with so few to check definitely worthwhile.
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I'm not quite getting this. ??? What exactly am I searching for? I tried Mary Gaunt b 1785 but didn't come up with much. What am I looking for with the men? Am feeling such a dummy! ::)
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You should be looking to see if you can locate their baptisms in Abbots Bromley, then checking to see if they had a sister Mary. ;)
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Ripert Wigan's baptism is on familysearch - he has a sister Maria but no Mary
You can also try searching for marriages between a William Fuller and Mary Gaunt /Hart /Heshaw / Wigan but no doubt you have already exhausted the Wm Fuller / Mary marriages.
There is no easy answer is there :-\
Rosie
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It's night time down here, so will try tomorrow. Thanks so much. All makes sense now.
Yes I have exhausted the marriages and also there are several William Fullers. I'll also follow up Rupert in case Maria changed her name to Mary.
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Have check but come up with a dead end. No Gaunt, Hart, Henshaw or Wigan. Also have checked other Mary's born 1783/84/85 but there are too many of them.
Just wondering how you found out who had left the area and moved south. I realise you have scanned the 1851 census but what did you compare it with and how?
William Fuller was from a prosperous landowner family in Old Malden and I reckon the marriage certificate has to be somewhere . . . . hiding somewhere!
Any other suggestions?
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Who were Williams parents :-\
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William's father was also William Fuller b 1744 d 1796, buried St John the Baptist Church, Old Malden, Kingston, Surrey. His mother was Hannah Williams b 1748 d 1797 and also buried in the same church. The whole family seems to be buried there, including the brother of William (b1785), Thomas. I live in Australia, but have seen the graves and the feeling was just awesome!
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Hello,
I have baptism of Mary Browning who married William Fuller .
Mary Browning Birth DATE 28/11/ 1785 Baptism date 26 Dec 1785 Address 5 Foot Lane
Father's first name(s) John Father's occupation Mercht of the Staple
Mother's first name(s) Louisa
Parish St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey Church address Bermondsey Street County London
Docklands Ancestors reference X097/224 Record set London, Docklands And East End Baptisms, 1558-1933
Dawn
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Hello Dawn
Unfortunately this now confirms that Mary Browning is not the one married to my William Fuller. I haven't given up the search though. Hopefully something will come up eventually. Thank you for your interest.
regards
Jill
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Hi,
Sorry it wasn't the news you wanted but goodluck with your searching.
Dawn