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Hi can anyone help me please my nan was born Eileen Devereux it says her mums maiden name was Allen so I've found a marriage for Hannah Allen and a William Devereux in 1915 the same year my nan was born but she remarried before or after she had my nan and I just can't find a birth for her parents or any other information at all I would really appreciate it if anyone can help me thank you x
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Do you have your nan's birth or marriage cert. identifying her parents?
Who's parents are you looking for, Hannah's or your nan's?
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Look for a William Devereux in Ormskirk on the 1911 census. You should be able to trace back from that census to sort out Hannah Allen who I believe was married before she married William Devereux. ( I have modified what I've said as I don't want to infringe copyright ).
I suggest this prior marriage :
Hannah Narrowmore and Richard Nowell Allen J-S 1897 King's Norton 6c 840.
I also noticed that there is a William J Devereux , mother's name Narrowmore , b O-D 1916 Ormskirk 8b 1428.
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Hannah Narrowmore J-S 1875 Walsall, Staffs 6b 653
1881 census ( transcribed Norrimore )
Emma Norrimore 48 b Leominster
Wm " 22
George 13
Lizzie 10
Hannah 5
visiting in Wolverhampton , 17 Chapel Street.
1871 census
Andrew Narrowmore 56
Emma Narrowmore wife 34
William Narrowmore 12
Sarah Narrowmore 6
George Narrowmore 2
living in Rowley Regis Staffordshire.
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Do you have your nan's birth or marriage cert. identifying her parents?
Who's parents are you looking for, Hannah's or your nan's?
hi I don't have birth certificate for my nan it's my nans parent's I am looking for my nan is Eileen Devereux
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Thank you cb53 I found this one and in the 1911 census there is a hannah Allen with children and a William Devereux as a visitor her husband died in about 1911 Richard Allen so then did she marry the visitor William Devereux this 1911 sensus is in Formby Liverpool and my mum said that's where her mum had grown up but I've been in touch the owner of the narrowmore tree on ancestry.com he said he doesn't think hannah remarried and has no knowledge of a William Devereux
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Do you have your nan's birth or marriage cert. identifying her parents?
Who's parents are you looking for, Hannah's or your nan's?
hi I don't have birth certificate for my nan it's my nans parent's I am looking for my nan is Eileen Devereux
How do you know her mum's maiden name is Allen if you don't have a birth certificate? Do you have the marriage certificate of her parents?
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Thank you cb53 I found this one and in the 1911 census there is a hannah Allen with children and a William Devereux as a visitor her husband died in about 1911 Richard Allen so then did she marry the visitor William Devereux this 1911 sensus is in Formby Liverpool and my mum said that's where her mum had grown up but I've been in touch the owner of the narrowmore tree on ancestry.com he said he doesn't think hannah remarried and has no knowledge of a William Devereux
Ah so this is where you got the Allen informaton, sorry your posts are a little confusing. What year was your nan born and where do you think she was born?
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her husband died in about 1911 Richard Allen so then did she marry the visitor William Devereux this 1911 sensus is in Formby Liverpool and my mum said that's where her mum had grown up
Yes that's how it seems to me. William and Hannah Allen married in Ormskirk in 1915. Eileen Devereux was registered in Ormskirk in 1915 , mother's name Allen , rather than Narrowmore - probably a mistake, and then another child , William J Devereux was registered in Ormskirk in 1916 with the correct mother's maiden name of Narrowmore.
As for the Narrowmore tree I couldn't see that one on Ancestry but , having just looked , there are other trees which do have Hannah marrying Allen and then Devereux. Really it would be best to rely on your own findings rather than other trees. I would order Eileen Devereux's birth certificate , which will confirm her parents' names. I would expect it to say mother : Hannah Allen , formerly Narrowmore. You might also order the marriage certificate for Hannah Allen and William Devereux as that will confirm their fathers' names.
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Thank you cb53 I found this one and in the 1911 census there is a hannah Allen with children and a William Devereux as a visitor her husband died in about 1911 Richard Allen so then did she marry the visitor William Devereux this 1911 sensus is in Formby Liverpool and my mum said that's where her mum had grown up but I've been in touch the owner of the narrowmore tree on ancestry.com he said he doesn't think hannah remarried and has no knowledge of a William Devereux
Ah so this is where you got the Allen informaton, sorry your posts are a little confusing. What year was your nan born and where do you think she was born?
sorry about the confusion I am very new to this and have dyslexia my nan Eileen Devereux was born 1915 Ormskirk Lancashire
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Aww thank you CB53 I've been told my mum's sister has all the certificates so I am waiting to get them but I can't find any trees with Allen and Devereux in them but will keep looking thank you so much for your help
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Mac As you are new to this let me tell you please do not rely on information you see on other people's family trees, they may not be correct.
You have to research yourself so you can prove your research is correct.
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Mac As you are new to this let me tell you please do not rely on information you see on other people's family trees, they may not be correct.
You have to research yourself so you can prove your research is correct.
thank you very much jaywit I am doing it for my mum and dad the family tree just trying to get all the help I can as it's like a mind field haha but thank you your right x
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I am seconding Jaywit, there are some absolute shockers on Ancestry!!! If your tree is on there just remember the shaky leaves are just hints not facts. ::)
One of my distant rellies has our g.g.g. grandfather marrying at the age of 127. :o
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Thank you cb53 I found this one and in the 1911 census there is a hannah Allen with children and a William Devereux as a visitor her husband died in about 1911 Richard Allen so then did she marry the visitor William Devereux this 1911 sensus is in Formby Liverpool and my mum said that's where her mum had grown up but I've been in touch the owner of the narrowmore tree on ancestry.com he said he doesn't think hannah remarried and has no knowledge of a William Devereux
Ah so this is where you got the Allen informaton, sorry your posts are a little confusing. What year was your nan born and where do you think she was born?
sorry about the confusion I am very new to this and have dyslexia my nan Eileen Devereux was born 1915 Ormskirk Lancashire
Ah no worries, you were lucky to have quite an unusual name to start with. Good luck with your research, it will be fun and aaarrgghh at the same time. ;D
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I am seconding Jaywit, there are some absolute shockers on Ancestry!!! If your tree is on there just remember the shaky leaves are just hints not facts. ::)
One of my distant rellies has our g.g.g. grandfather marrying at the age of 127. :o
Bee I've found one giving birth at the age of 92 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am seconding Jaywit, there are some absolute shockers on Ancestry!!! If your tree is on there just remember the shaky leaves are just hints not facts. ::)
One of my distant rellies has our g.g.g. grandfather marrying at the age of 127. :o
Bee I've found one giving birth at the age of 92 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
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I am seconding Jaywit, there are some absolute shockers on Ancestry!!! If your tree is on there just remember the shaky leaves are just hints not facts. ::)
One of my distant rellies has our g.g.g. grandfather marrying at the age of 127. :o
Bee I've found one giving birth at the age of 92 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
Or one whose first child was born before they were :o
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Aww thank you everyone for all your help I've just found a marriage for a William Devereux and hannah Allen -narrowmore on ukbmd seems to be a very good match so hopefully mystery solved x
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Well done!!