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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: Pennines on Sunday 01 May 16 10:22 BST (UK)
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Hello again everyone,
I am researching a Daly family who we thought lived in Collinstown.
A marriage and a birth certificate from 1917 reveals that the home town was Kilcarney.
Now I have obtained a military records file (from Dublin Military Archives - what a fantastic service they provided) ---- birth place and full address on this is shown as Drumcree, Kilcarney, Colinstown (how did the postman cope!)
I can find very little information about Drumcree, Westmeath -- and wondered if there was an RC Church there OR - are baptisms, marriages and burials likely to take place in Kilcarney or Collinstown?
A baptism certificate I have for 1917 - states 'parish of Collinstown' - but I am wondering if that would be shown for ALL events in the area, irrespective of the actual church.
Many thanks for reading this.
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House and building return for Drumcree does not show a church
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003533804/
and it's just outside Collinstown, not a big enough area for more than one church.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,654464,766255,8,3
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Hang on the is a St.John's Church don't know if it's RC or COI
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,655013,765586,11,9
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Hi Sinann,
Thank you so much for your speedy reply.
Do you mean that on the census return you provided - those were the ENTIRE residents of Drumcree please? If so - it was miniscule!
Thank you also for the maps - very helpful indeed.
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Church of Ireland
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WM®no=15305012
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Oh well done, Sinann. You are an absolute star. So that does eliminate Drumcree at least, as the family's local church.
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There is the townland of Drumcree which is in the post above but that village with the church is in 3 townlands Drumcree, Loughstown and Gormanstown.
The best way to see it is to use the map on Griffiht's Valuation
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
Search for Drumcree Westmeath
click on the map and use the slider at the top to see it in modern, you should find Collinstown easy and have a good idea where Drumcree is zoom in to the area than slide back to the old map, the townlands have orange lines around them
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Hope I have the correct place I forgot about the Kilcarney bit.
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Got it -- what a good site, which I have now bookmarked. Thank you again.
It must be the right place - there won't be 2 in Westmeath (although I found another one in Armagh)
On another re-attestation in the Military records - Michael Daly has given Drumcree, Kilcarney, Collinstown, Mullingar as the current address!
I don't think he could make his mind up!
Many, many thanks - as always, Sinann for your time and assistance.
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I can't find a Kilcarney
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I wonder if he meant the Civil Parish of Kilcumny and it was mis-heard or mis-transcribed.
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You are right!
When I look at the documents again - it IS Kilcumny -- that is MY mistake. I am so sorry. I have scribbled it with some notes on a pad and written it incorrectly. Definitely Kilcumny.
I must do better!
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Sorted so, that's great.
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On the address... Mullingar is likely added to the address because there is also a Collinstown in Dublin, Dublin Airport is also in a townland called Collinstown.
St Johns Church in Drumcree (now in private ownership as a house) was Church of Ireland. The nearest Catholic church / graveyard is Collinstown or Delvin both are 3 miles from Drumcree. St Feichins Catholic church and graveyard in Fore is also nearby.
https://www.townlands.ie/westmeath/fore/st-feighins/collinstown/collinstown/
Searching in Ireland the townlands are worth cross checking with the parish records which may be named by Catholic diocese - Drumcree is currently Diocese of Meath.
http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes
Best wishes, Mary
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You might also enjoy this about Kilcumney graveyard
http://test.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5009035/4979426/5115899
There are two other old graveyards nearby: Kilpatrick and Balreagh
http://www.cambridgeairphotos.com/location/bgh097/
http://www.cambridgeairphotos.com/location/bgh097/
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Mary --- thank you SO very much for these links.
The collection by the school children is amazing. Much appreciated indeed.
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You are welcome. Enjoy.
Best wishes,
Mary
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Another thought... do you know if these Daly's listed on the census for Kilcumney might be the ones you are interested in?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Kilcumny/Ballymacahill___Derries/1778387/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Kilcumny/Kilcumny/1778433/
If you check out https://finder.eircode.ie and enter KILCUMNY, COLLINSTOWN, MULLINGAR, CO. WESTMEATH you will see a current map of the area. There is also a graveyard in Kilpatrick as far as I know which is also nearby. https://www.landdirect.ie/ is another site that maps all land in the country. Best wises, Mary
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Hi Mary,
This is very kind of you.
The Daly family are my husband's maternal line and the 1901 census you found is indeed them. I actually completed my research eventually -- it turned into a very sad story for my mother in law's family -- her father was the Michael - aged 6 on that census.
After his marriage he joined the Army and things did not end well. I obtained his papers from Dublin Military Archives who provided a brilliant free service.
I did find his death and that of his wife and wrote up a story line for my husband and his siblings. There was much they hadn't known as they left Ireland as children. My father in law was in the RAF - so they only ever returned to Ireland for holidays many years later.
Thank you so much for looking at all this for me.
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That's the risk you take when looking back. However hard the information I do think it is worth it - can in time be very healing. I know the area well so am glad you got to find the information.
Kindest regards,
Mary
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Indeed Mary -- but I became obsessed with Family History as soon as I started to tackle my own some years back.
It's far more difficult when researching in places which are unfamiliar to you on a personal basis and I have to say the people on this Roots Chat board have been so very helpful with my Irish queries -- just brilliant.
Regards and thank you again
June