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Title: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Tuesday 03 May 16 11:27 BST (UK)
The above originally emigrated to Australia 24 Jun 1838 to Adelaide and then Clara to New Zealand 1 Feb 1842 on "Fifeshire" from London (dept. 17 Sep 1841). Cabin passenger (not Emmigrant passenger) which seems odd! They had a daughter Clara b 1839 in Adelaide who married Wm Ford Beatson 11 Dec 1860 in Nelson, Marlborough, New Zealand; Wm Beatson was quite a famous character there.
However, I'd like to know when and where the Durley's died please.
Cr
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 03 May 16 20:52 BST (UK)

However, I'd like to know when and where the Durley's died please.
Cr

Hi Cr

It seems from the following marriage notice, that William DURLEY had died in Adelaide, South Australia, prior to December 1860.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Colonist" (Nelson) - 14 December 1860 - page 2 - Marriage

...on 11 December .... at Nelson ... William Ford BEATSON  ... to Clara Adelaide, d/o late William DURLEY of Adelaide, South Australia ...

    ~ Lu

Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 03 May 16 22:31 BST (UK)
William DURLEY - died at Adelaide, South Australia, - 30 June 1839.
[Info from online "tree" . ]

Seems his widow (Clara) and infant daughter then returned to England  from Australia ... then came on to New Zealand by the "Fifeshire" - arriving at Nelson in 1842.

Cabin Passengers ???   Well, they probably were (officially) immigrants to NZ, but it may well be that relatives back home (or some other person), paid an additional sum towards cost of voyage to ensure mother and daughter had a "comfortable" journey ?

Trying to find if Clara re-married in NZ ?

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 03 May 16 22:54 BST (UK)
Clara DURLEY appears to have had a number of children (at Nelson, NZ) with an Alexander Macshane (MacSHANE) who was described in his death notice (1849 at New Pymouth) as having been "Colonial Surgeon in the Settlement and formerly Immigrant Officer to the New Zealand Company at Nelson".   
{Some of this info comes from the online "tree" mentioned previously.   The "tree" gives a date of marriage for Clara DURLEY / Alexander MacSHANE as "3 February 1842"  - which is a day or so after the arrival of the "Fifeshire" in Nelson ??   Possibly the marriage details come from a church record ?    I can't see anything on NZ Marriage Index - or another marriage resource dating back to 1836.}

Death of Clara MacSHANE
:

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Colonist" (Nelson) - 29 January 1880 - page 3

....  MacSHANE - on 15 January at Featherston, at the residence of her son, Clara relict of late Alexander MacSHANE, Surgeon of Nelson, aged 60 years.

   ~   Lu


Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Wednesday 04 May 16 10:38 BST (UK)
Thank you very much Lucy for your excellent research and results. Seems Clara had a hard life and was so young  when she became a widow twice over. Where is the tree that you refer to?
Cr
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 05 May 16 00:52 BST (UK)
@ ancestry.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Thursday 05 May 16 08:33 BST (UK)
Thank you Lucy, I'll have a look.
CR
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: jorose on Saturday 07 May 16 09:58 BST (UK)
Probate of Alexander:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9V-KXVD

Not much more information; his will only says he leaves everything to his wife.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Saturday 07 May 16 10:06 BST (UK)
Thank you Jorose.
CR
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 01:51 BST (UK)
Hi Cockneyrebel,

Further to reply #7 regarding the will of Alexander Macshane, there is also a document with the signature of Clara.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9NS-D5CS?i=295&wc=Q8C5-N9K%3A1045248401%2C1045248402%3Fcc%3D1865481&cc=1865481

The quaint wording of a birth notice in the Nelson Examiner & New Zealand Chronicle dated 24.2.1844.....

"On the 18th- the lady of Alexander Macshane Esq., of a son."



Minniehaha.

Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 02:08 BST (UK)
And you may find this blog about Clara & Alexander to be of interest.........

http://eyebright.co.nz/blogs/news/117519495-a-hot-iron-from-the-past


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 02:18 BST (UK)
The passenger manifest for both the Fifeshire & Whitby showing Alexander Macshane (aged 29) & Clara Durley (aged 22) and her daughter, Clara Adelaide (aged 2).

http://www.museumnp.org.nz/pdfs/PassengerLists.pdf


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 03:03 BST (UK)
Alexander & Clara Macshane are included in this book-

Nelson Notables, 1840-1940, a dictionary of regional biography. Published 1992. The author, Max D. Lash, edited by Dawn Smith.

The book is held by the National Library of New Zealand.

http://natlib.govt.nz/records/31088949?search%5Bpath%5D=items&search%5Btext%5D=clara+durley

If you would like information perhaps you could "Ask a Librarian" (at the top of the page).....

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 05:01 BST (UK)
New Zealand Company's Land Claimants (1850).......

Macshane, Clara, druggist, Nelson.

http://www.victoria.ac.nz/law/nzlostcases/15_Vict_15.pdf

Minniehaha.

Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 05:09 BST (UK)
One of several advertisements placed by Clara Macshane........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NENZC18551110.2.2.6&srpos=5&e=-------10--1----0macshane+druggist+nelson--

And her thanks......

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NENZC18510809.2.4.2&srpos=4&e=-------10--1----0macshane+druggist+nelson--

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 05:29 BST (UK)
A court case.........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NENZC18660531.2.8&srpos=23&e=-------10--21----2clara+macshane--

Mention made of her son, Henry Macshane.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 07:27 BST (UK)
Death notice of the above mentioned son?

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ME18831102.2.4&srpos=1&e=-10-1883--12-1883--10--1----2macshane--

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 08:26 BST (UK)
Obituary of Alexander Macshane mentions "leaving a widow and 5 children"......

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZSCSG18490725.2.6.2&srpos=5&e=--1849---1849--10--1----2macshane--

From Papers Past notices I believe these children to have been:

The eldest son, Henry Alexander. Married Mary Budge on 5.2.1876.
The youngest and second son, Charles. Married Eliza Cadman on 31.12.1873. He died on 27.2.1894. "Brother of Mrs. W. F. Beatson, Christchurch".
The eldest daughter, Adele. Married General John Draper on 17.4.1862.
The second daughter, Emily. Married Thomas Gray Shand on 8.8.1867.
The youngest daughter, Florence. Married Richard England McRae on 14.3.1872.

Minniehaha.



Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Monday 23 May 16 10:40 BST (UK)
Hello Minnie,
You've been very busy on this one, what superb facts you've managed to find out for me once again. I am most grateful for your hard work and diligence.
Is there any way of finding out when the couple's 5 children and their partners were born?
CR
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Janette on Monday 23 May 16 11:03 BST (UK)
Two early NZ births where names are not recorded

1848/1322   MacShane    NR    Clara   /Alexander   
1850/2745   Macshane    NR    Clara   /Alexander

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 19:33 BST (UK)
I don't think we are going to find those early birth registrations but the following gives an age for Emily at her death........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ODT18990801.2.63&srpos=35&e=--1898---1900--10--31----0shand+emily--

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 19:38 BST (UK)
And here are Emily's children........

1877/14088   Shand   Henry Thomas   Emily   Thomas G   -   
1881/14864   Shand   Frederick William   Emily   Thomas Gray   -   
1875/10702   Shand   George   Emily   Thomas Grey   -   
1868/10241   Shand   Clara Evelyn   Emily   Thomas Gray   -   
1883/5234   Shand   Arthur Gordon   Emily   Thomas Gray   -   
1871/37696   Shand   Florence Jane   Emily   Thomas Gray   -   
1873/31718   Shand   Charles Richard   Emily   Thomas Gray

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 19:44 BST (UK)
The obituary of John Draper, husband of Adele..........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WC18910707.2.25&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----0adele+general+draper--

The only New Zealand birth found-  [1.6.1865]

1865/27098   Draper   Ellen Blanche   Adele      John

1867 The birth of a daughter in London....

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NENZC18670427.2.8&srpos=2&e=--1862---1867--10--1----2john+draper--

The death of Adele......

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19050803.2.58&srpos=1&e=-06-1905--08-1905--10--1----0+draper+southsea--

Her death registration (UK)......

Deaths Jun 1905   
DRAPER    Adele    62    Portsmouth    2b   323

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 19:58 BST (UK)
The children of Florence.........

1891/4423   McRae   Gordon Egmont   Florence   Richard England   -   
1881/1226   McRae   Sydney Charles   Florence   Richard England   -   
1875/7910   McRae   Richard Nelson   Florence   Richard England   -   
1884/1556   McRae   Florence Hilda   Florence   Richard England   -   
1879/4616   McRae   Philip Alexander   Florence   Richard England

Richard England McRae died in 1910 aged 64 years.

His obituary...

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MEX19100228.2.28&srpos=8&e=--1910---1910--10--1----2richard+england--

The only likely death for Florence? (although her age is incorrect).......

1902/1359   McRae   Florence      51Y

Report of the accident (1899) in which Richard Nelson McRae was killed. [Mentioned in the obituary above of his father.]

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NEM18990921.2.12.2&srpos=1&e=--1899---1899--10--1----2nelson+mcrae--

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 20:24 BST (UK)
The children of Charles........

1876/449   MacShane   Nora   Eliza   Charles   -   
1879/13367   MacShane   Ivy   Eliza Jane   Charles   -   
1887/17133   MacShane   Constance   Eliza Jane   Charles   -   
1888/12234   MacShane   Dorothy   Eliza   Charles   -   
1874/792   MacShane   Clara   Eliza Jane   Charles   -   
1877/7682   MacShane   Lilian   Eliza   Charles

One of the death notices for Charles.....

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18940301.2.19&srpos=2&e=--1894---1894--10--1----2charles+macshane--

In another one his age is given as 45 years.

The birth registration for the wife of Charles......

1854/1572   Cadman   Eliza Jane   Anne   Jerome

Obituary for wife of Charles.....

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZH19290118.2.151&srpos=6&e=-------10--1----2charles+macshane--

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 20:39 BST (UK)
The children of Henry Alexander.......

1882/17232   MacShane   Grattan William   Mary   Henry Alexander   -   
1880/10200   MacShane   Charles Eugene   Mary   Henry Alexander   -
1877/1382   MacShane   Percy Alexander   Mary   Henry Alexander
Also:
1878/16751   McShane   Arthur Stephen   Mary   Henry Alexander

As previously mentioned, Henry died in 1883 aged 39 years.

Birth registration of wife Mary......

1849/2586   Budge   Mary   Sarah Teresa Agnes   William

Obituary for Mary, wife of Henry........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TC19181218.2.73&srpos=14&e=-------10--11----2h%2e+a%2e+macshane--

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 23 May 16 22:53 BST (UK)
Further to reply #23.

Here is the death notice for Florence........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=HNS19020102.2.3&srpos=1&e=-01-1902-07-01-1902--10--1----0florence--

Burial; Florence, her husband and two sons.

   McRae   Florence   Manaia Burial Old Lawn   01/01/1902   04/01/1902   51   
   McRae   Richard England   Manaia Burial Old Lawn   27/02/1910   01/03/1910   63   
   McRae   Richard Nelson   Manaia Burial Old Lawn   20/09/1899   23/09/1899   25   
   McRae   Sydney Charles   Patea General Anglican   10/06/1953   12/06/1953   72   

http://www.southtaranaki.com/Council/Online-Services/Research-it/Online-Cemeteries-Database/

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 24 May 16 00:35 BST (UK)
A snippet about Clara Adelaide Beatson: the value of her estate...........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ME19060803.2.25&srpos=1&e=--1906---1906--10--1----2clara+a%2e++beatson--


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 24 May 16 08:58 BST (UK)
Further to reply #22.......

The marriage in the UK of the youngest daughter of the late Colonel J. Draper & Adele; Edith Mabel

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=CHP19041223.2.2.1&srpos=3&e=-------10--1----2colonel+j%2e+draper--

Marriage registration.....

Marriages Dec 1904   
Draper    Edith Mabel        Portsmouth    2b   1167

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Tuesday 24 May 16 09:25 BST (UK)
Thank you once again Minniehaha.
CR
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 24 May 16 09:31 BST (UK)
The death in the UK of the third Draper daughter, Ethel Mary..........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18931114.2.19&srpos=1&e=-------10-TS-1----2j%2e+draper--

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Tuesday 24 May 16 11:58 BST (UK)
I'm overwhelmed with all this information, Minniehaha. Many thanks again for your diligent research on my behalf.
CR
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 24 May 16 20:50 BST (UK)
A most interesting family Cockneyrebel. Thank you for your very kind PM.

I await your next move on this topic.  ;D

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Tuesday 24 May 16 21:17 BST (UK)
Thank you Minniehaha, perhaps another subject soon...
CR
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 25 May 16 01:23 BST (UK)
Further to reply #24......

Ooops! I overlooked a daughter born to Charles & Eliza Jane Macshane.

Gladys, birth registered in 1881.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 25 May 16 03:40 BST (UK)
On line Cenotaph information about:

Charles Gratten Macshane, a direct descendant of Henry Alexander Macshane (born 1844).  Includes a photograph of Charles and his brother.

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C121517

Death notice for Charles sent by PM together with contact details of a family member.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 25 May 16 08:42 BST (UK)
From papers (2004) 'Medical Practice in New Zealand 1769-1860'.........

"Less is known of Dr. Macshane. He arrived on the Whitby in October 1841 and settled into practice. One of his noted acts was the amputation in 1843 of the leg of a Maori who had been wounded some years before- the patient smoking his pipe throughout the operation. In 1847 Macshane was awarded the tender for looking after Maori patients, his bid of six pounds five shillings a month undercutting that of his rival George Bush. In September 1848, he was appointed as the colonial surgeon to the newly built colonial hospital at New Plymouth with a salary of one hundred and eighty pounds per year. However, on his arrival it was obvious to Dr. Peter Wilson that Macshane was a sick man. He died of consumption on 6.7.1849*".

http://www.biusante.parisdescartes.fr/ishm/vesalius/VESx2004x10x01x004x009.pdf

*Obituary says 4.7.1849. [NZ BDM confirms 6.7.1849.]

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Wednesday 25 May 16 10:40 BST (UK)
Hi Minniehaha, you're once again overwhelming me with all your first rate research on this family.
Many thanks,
CR
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: richardgreen1908 on Saturday 15 July 17 01:56 BST (UK)
Hi CR. Is this the Clara Pope b1815 to Charles Pope and Mary SOMERSBY in Little Wolford Warks? Her sister was my 2nd Gt Grandmother. Could not find what happened to Clara.

Rgds

Richard
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Saturday 15 July 17 08:57 BST (UK)
Sorry no she was born in London to Samuel and Mary nee Deeks.
Cr
Title: Re: William Durley bc1816 and Clara nee Pope Durley born 13 Nov 1817
Post by: richardgreen1908 on Saturday 15 July 17 13:57 BST (UK)
OK. Thanks.