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Title: I am searching for William Francis in 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 03 May 16 21:10 BST (UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Taylor_(editor)

I am searching for William Francis in 1841 and 1851, I just can`t find any that match. Fresh eyes needed  I think. Also his baptism is eluding me.

1861 Richmond, Surrey.
 Sarah Taylor unm 51 fundholder b Middlesex
William Francis unm 43  b London Middlesex
Printer and publisher of the firm Taylor and Francis employing  52 men and 21 boys

Marriage
10 Oct 1862 St George the Martyr, Queen Square ,Camden
William Francis 43 printer Richmond,  father William Francis printer

Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 03 May 16 21:23 BST (UK)
http://www.ulib.niu.edu/publishers/taylorfrancis.htm
 I wonder if William in 1834 is the same William as I  found in 1861, if so where does Sarah Taylor fit in . He was 43 so born c 1819, surely he can`t be he same one. He would only be 15, rather young to be a chemist
Why does William say his father is William Francis at his marriage ? Could 1861 William be Richard Taylors grandson.
Confusing .

1834 Dr. William Francis, a chemist and the illegitmate son of Richard Taylor, begins work with his father
1852 William Francis becomes a partner and the company is named Taylor & Francis. 
Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: ciderdrinker on Wednesday 04 May 16 12:45 BST (UK)
Hi
I can see William Francis in 5th Nov 1827 when he is sent to Southwark Grammer School by his father William Francis compositor address Printing house lane .

You probably have the  non-conformist birth William Francis 16.2.1817 as well from the Dr Williams library to William Francis of Clerkenwell and Frances Marshall d of Richard Marshall of Adele Hill clerk born at no4 Pitt St St Pancras house of John Reeves. wit mother and Hannah Miles and Aunt Mary Crisold.Declaration 13.6.1837.

Like you no luck 1841/1851.

ps possible baptism for Frances Marshall 20. 6. 1792 to a Richard and Elizabeth at St Andrew Holborn

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 04 May 16 13:22 BST (UK)
Sarah Taylor was Richard Taylor's daughter and appears with him in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. She is also an executor of his will in 1859 along with William Francis.
Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 04 May 16 13:27 BST (UK)
Thanks both. Since I posted I found a book, it appears William was in Germany for 1841.
His father was actually  Richard Taylor, but still not found a baptism.
I`ve not worked out yet about Rebecca Francis also mentioned in this book.
It`s very interesting.
https://goo.gl/tjbFVD
Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 04 May 16 13:32 BST (UK)
Yes I just found that book too. It's a very detailed history.
Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: jomcd967 on Wednesday 04 May 16 13:48 BST (UK)
Williams obituary here.....(so in Germany in 1841). 
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14786440409463120

1851 - Clerkenwell
HO107/1519/407 p 21
William Francis, unm, 33, Doctor of Philosophy, born Middlesex

Jo  :)
Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 04 May 16 14:15 BST (UK)
Thanks, got him in 1851 now. It`s quite a mix of neighbours he`s got around him.

He died in 1904, I can only see part of the obit, is it like that or am I missing something. Parhaps there`s a full version somewhere on line.
Title: Re: I am searching for William Francis in 1841 and 1851
Post by: jomcd967 on Wednesday 04 May 16 22:01 BST (UK)
The obit is online but on mine opens as a full PDF version?

Is this better...  http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14786440409463120


Jo  :)
Title: Re: I am searching for William Francis in 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 04 May 16 23:41 BST (UK)
Yes, thanks.

Title: Re: I am searching for William Francis in 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 04 May 16 23:57 BST (UK)
 I now have 2 WF`s born same date which matches the date in obit. How odd.
 I can`t find a marriage  for parents.

William Francis     
 Gender     Male     
 Birth Date     16 Feb 1817     
 Birthplace     DR WILLIAMS LIBRARY, LONDON, ,     
 Father's Name    William Francis     
 Mother's Name    Frances

William Francis         
 Birth Date     16 Feb 1817     
 Birthplace     No 4 Pitt Street, St Pancras, Middlesex     
 Father's Name    William Francis     
 Mother's Name    Frances Francis     
 
   
Title: Re: 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 30 June 16 20:34 BST (UK)
Sarah Taylor was Richard Taylor's daughter and appears with him in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. She is also an executor of his will in 1859 along with William Francis.

  I can`t seem to find the 1841 census, can you give me some clues.
Title: Re: I am searching for William Francis in 1841 and 1851
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 30 June 16 21:12 BST (UK)
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I can`t seem to find the 1841 census, can you give me some clues.

HO107 /659/3 folio 42 pages 9 and 10. Charterhouse Square.

If you are searching on Ancestry look for Roch Taylor born 1777.
Title: Re: I am searching for William Francis in 1841 and 1851
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 30 June 16 23:36 BST (UK)
Thanks for that .