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Can anyone tell if the Chetton Parish Records are available on-line
I am looking for the burial of
1.... John Colebatch 1683
2.... John Colebatch his son 1688
Jane his wife 1681
3 .... as well as their marriage John and Jane around 1652
4.... A marriage of Timothy (son of John number 2) and his wife Jane around 1690/91
I can find lots of Shropshire records but not these ones.....
Any help much appreciated
Cheran ???
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http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/885400f7-c051-4f0d-bdb7-7a25f2dc75a7
Lease for a year, and release, indented.
(i) Timothy Colebatch, sen., of Prizely [Priors Lee], co. Salop., Jane, his wife.
Timothy Colebatch, jun., of the same, their eldest son and heir apparent, and Mathew Colebatch, of Chetton, co. Salop., gent.
(ii) William Bridgen of Bridgnorth, co. Salop., gent. 8 acres of arable in the Hook Field, 2 acres in the High Field, both near Bridgnorth.
Consid : 5s. and £173.
Date: 4 Geo. I. 1717 Sept. 30. Oct. 1
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http://www.reynolds-lake.ca/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=3225&medialinkID=5386
“ George Colebatch between 1671 and 1711
The inclosure of the lordship of Driffield is a noticeable episode in the history of the fortunes of the Prebendaries, the Vicars, and the Parish Clerks, because their revenues underwent a marked change, and became of increased value. At that time the Rev. George Colebatch was the vicar, and as such entitled to the small tithes of foals, calves, pigs, ducks, turkies, swarms of bees, pigeons, and pigeon’s dung. He was also entitled to common rights in the open pastures belonging to the ancient vicarage house, which formerly stood in the yard in Church-lane, still belonging to the Vicar. In lieu of his common rights, the Inclosure Commissioners allotted him 3a. 3r. 3p. of new inclosed land on the Wansford-road. The small or vicarial tithes were about thirty years ago, during the incumbency of the Rev. George Allen, commuted under the Tithes Commutation Act for a yearly rent charge of £100, apportioned upon and made payable out of lands within the town and lordship.
Mr Colebatch was possessed of considerable property in his own right and at the time of the inclosure had 178 acres allotted to him. He built the house in Bridge Street in which Captain Lucas resides. His voice was so strong that when he preached in the church he could be distinctly heard half-way down Bridge Street. It is said that in his younger days he had been disappointed in an affair of the heart and that he afterwards became a miser and a recluse. He was very eccentric in his habits and had no windows in his house. In winter he only allowed himself one bag of coals, which he used in the most economical manner. Instead of putting the coals in the fire grate he used to carry them in the bag on his shoulder up and down the stairs to keep him warm! When he died he left his estates to his nephew Timothy Colebatch of Catterton, Shropshire, gentleman, who sold them to William Paul, Esq., of Nafferton, in 1759, for about £5000.
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John Colebatch
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 24 May 1653 CHETTON, SHROPSHIRE, ENGLAND
father: John Colebatch
mother: Jane
John Colebatch
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 9 April 1661 CHETTON, SHROPSHIRE, ENGLAND
father: John Colebatch
mother: Jane
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/LudlowPart1.html
RECTORS OF LUDLOW. PATRONS:
1625, July 14. Thomas Colebatch, M.A., Rural King.
Dean, buried at Ludlow, Oct. 26, 1637. Born in Shropshire, 1596; Brasenose College, Oxford, B.A., 1618, M.A., 1621. Shr. Arch. Trans. (3 Ser.) VIII. 50.
bp. 1632 Apr. 12. William, s. Thomas Colebatch, parson, & Mary.
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Thanks for going through this. 8) 8)
What I am now trying to find is a link to the Rev Thomas Colebatch and John Colebatch
it looks like the John Colebatch in Ludlow is a Church warden as well and he marries a Jane as well. and dies in Ludlow.... So he is possibly Thomas son...????
Given that my John is in Chetton I wonder if they would have moved there or was he born there???
The Rev George Colebatch has added to his story so thank you!
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http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Tibberton.html
Mrs. Mary, wife of Mr. George Colebatch, of Cleobury, was buried in 1801.
1801 Apr. 16. Mrs. Mary, w. of Mr. George Colebatch, of Cleobury.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Colbatch_(apothecary)
Rare surname, look for all possible leads.
http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/5833?rskey=P5ddAW&result=23
Colbatch, Sir John (bap. 1666?, d. 1729), physician
Colbatch, Sir John (bap. 1666?, d. 1729), physician, was probably the son of William Colbatch baptized at St Swithin's, Worcester, on 1 August 1666. John Colbatch began as an apothecary's apprentice in Worcester, gradually rising to the rank of master in the Mercers' Company (to which the apothecaries belonged); he ...
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http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/CleoburyMortimer.html 21 of Colebatch the surname.
1699 Jan. 5. Jane, d. of Timothyl& Jane Colebatch, Attorney.
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http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/search/?q=John+Colebatch&cb_submit=Search
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http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Burford.html 4 with Colebatch surname
1751 Apr. 29. Timothy, s. John & Mary Colebatch ... bap.
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George Colebatch
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 28 September 1670 CHETTON, SHROPSHIRE, ENGLAND
father: John Colebatch
mother: Jane
John Colbatch
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 17 December 1629 LUDLOW, SHROPSHIRE, ENGLAND
father: Thomas Colbatch
mother: Mary
https://familysearch.org
Sorry, no marriage or burials.
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Gosh, you know an amazing amount about our family. Are you one of us?
This is my speculation about who is who in the Colebatch family in the Ludlow parish records:
I think the Cobage family in the Ludlow records is the missing link that explains where Edward, William etc came from - and possibly even our John.
It doesn't look like our name, but say it, and it sounds similar. The priest, James Crowther (rector, 1604-25) would have written down what he took the name to be. The Cobage family occurs in the parish records only in his term, between 1609 and 1625. When the Rev. Thomas arrived, the spelling changed to Colbatch. William and Joan's first child Alice, baptised in June 1625, was spelt Cobage by Crowther, but their three later ones (after Rev. Tom arrived) were spelt Colbatch.
If I am right, that greatly expands the number of Edward's children.
My conclusion is that Edward was probably the first Colbatch to settle in Ludlow, at least in the time of the parish records, probably in 1596/97. If Thomas had been born in 1596, then he might have been the eldest child, and baptised before the family migrated to Ludlow.
Those baptised in Ludlow were
1598 Edward Colbach
(possibly the Edward, son of Edward Cowlach who was buried on August 21, 1599, since no other Cowlach appears in these records. Or it may be the Edward Colbatch who sired children with Elinor and Anne in succession in the 1630s).
(nb date of christening is Mar 5, 1598, not 1597 - the parish records seemed to update the year not on Jan 1, but only when they started a new page).
1600 William Colbach
(quite likely the William who married Joan, and later Katherine, and later served as church warden and possibly as Alderman Will).
a gap of years follows - maybe his first wife died, somewhere out of Ludlow, since there is no record of her burial, and he later remarried.
1609 Margaret Cobage (d. 1611)
1611 Richard Cobage
(quite likely the Richard Colbatch who married Joan and had all those children from 1640 to 1653 - how is it that they had the only child to appear in Ludlow records of christenings from 1646 to 1661?)
1613 Alice Cobage (d. 1619)
1614 John Cobage
AHA!!! Could this be our ancestor John Colebatch, who married Elizabeth, sired children at Chetton between 1653 and 1670, and was buried there in 1688? Not the son of the Rev. Thomas, as we had thought, but his youngest surviving brother?
Quite possibly. As far as I can see, unlike all his brothers, he does not reappear in the Ludlow parish records.
As the youngest surviving son, there might have been less room for him in the family business, which put more pressure on him to make his own career somewhere else, as our great-grandfathers did in coming to Australia. It means he would have been in his 40s and 50s when he sired his children, which is unusual but not implausible.
At the very least, he has to be a prime suspect.
1618 Daniel Cobage (d.1623)
And the last Cobage entry is in 1625, when the old priest baptises Alice, daughter of William and Joan.
In 1641, the parish buried Alice Colbatch, daughter of William.
I am convinced that Cobage was just Crowther's spelling of Colbatch. It doesn't occur before he arrived, or after he handed over (and in the case of William and Joan, it is pretty clear that Cobage and Colbatch are the same people).
The pieces of the jigsaw fit together perfectly. I say, lock it in.
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Tim
Thanks for that..... I will go through slowly in the next few days!
I will send you a PM re the connection.
Regards
Cheran 8)
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The Shropshire parish registers are all online at findmypast, including images, and are searchable by location. I say "all online", however, there do seem to be some omissions - the Banns for one of my gt gt ... aunts aren't there, but a visitor to the archives found the entries for me. What I do find useful is the ability to page through the registers as you will find the names of parish clerks and the odd wry observation too on the earlier registers. But also beware: I have found at least two incorrect entries, seemingly caused by births close together to parents of the same surname where the children were entered against the wrong sets of parents! One was later corrected, but not the other.