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I'm trying to locate any descendants of James McAloney and Mary Ann Carson who married 17 Nov 1861 in Killowen, Coleraine. There were 9 known children of this couple but only 4 who are believed to have lived long enough to marry.
Of the 4, William is believed to have settled in South Shields, England around the turn of the 20th century after having married in Scotland; James is missing; Andrew is missing; Matilda is missing. Neither marriages nor deaths can be found for James, Andrew and Matilda.
Robert, another child, emigrated to Canada [this is our family's line].
All resources available via GRONI, PRONI, National Library and National Archives have been exhausted as this research has been ongoing for approximately 20 years.
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I noticed that the address given for the births of the later children, like James (1872), Robert (1875), Andrew (1877) and Matilda (1880), was Brook Street, Coleraine. If only to eventually eliminate (useful in itself), note that an Eliza McAloney (spinster) of Brook Street Coleraine married an Archibald Hamill of Garden Court Portrush in St. Patrick's Church of Ireland on 3 November 1891, her father given as James McAloney, a labourer. Here are the couple in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932106/
And in 1911, with her father James in the household:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Portrush_Town/Portrush/131208/
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For reference-
Mary Ann McAloney, age 75, died 28 Sept.1913
William to Scotland & England
? Annie Margaret c1865-1871
death 1871? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRT8-3J8
Robert John born 27 Dec.1867
son born 1 Feb.1870
Annie Margaret born 20 Nov.1870
Andrew born 24 Oct.1871
death 29 Oct.1871? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRT8-3JZ
James born 13 Sept.1872
Robert born 20 May 1875 died 1961 Ontario
Andrew born 14 Dec.1877
Matilda born 15 Aug.1880
Online family tree (not complete)-
http://www.ancestrysolutions.com/FamilyCollectives/getperson.php?personID=I4517&tree=1
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I noticed that the address given for the births of the later children, like James (1872), Robert (1875), Andrew (1877) and Matilda (1880), was Brook Street, Coleraine. If only to eventually eliminate (useful in itself), note that an Eliza McAloney (spinster) of Brook Street Coleraine married an Archibald Hamill of Garden Court Portrush in St. Patrick's Church of Ireland on 3 November 1891, her father given as James McAloney, a labourer.
And in 1911, with her father James in the household:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Portrush_Town/Portrush/131208/
Note that James McAloney in Hamill household is a widower. Mary Ann (Carson) McAloney was supposed to have died in 1913 which fits with the death registration I found but haven't yet found her in either 1901 or 1911.
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Also found this McAloney family badly mis-transcribed in 1901 as McHoney- and strange that they could have an 11 year old grandson at their ages!
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932048
From numerous online posts on numerous forums it would seem that this Andrew McAloney married (although says certificate never found) Jane Quinn and had son Andrew in 1903 (Crocknamack, Portrush) & later daughter Jeannie.
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... , note that an Eliza McAloney (spinster) of Brook Street Coleraine married an Archibald Hamill of Garden Court Portrush in St. Patrick's Church of Ireland on 3 November 1891, her father given as James McAloney, a labourer. Here are the couple in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932106/
And in 1911, with her father James in the household:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Portrush_Town/Portrush/131208/
The closest official "fit" I can find for a death for Lizzie Hamill's father James McAloney in the 1911 census return is one recorded in Ballymoney General Hospital on 5 February 1912, a male 70 year old widower, labourer, from Crocknamack (Portrush), who died after 9 months of a stroke.
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The Crocknamack residence for James McAloney who died in 1912 possibly fits with the Andrew McAloney born there 1903.
I checked the Valuation Revision Books for Brook St. Coleraine 1874-1892 and couldn't see any McAloney listing :-\
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Also found this McAloney family badly mis-transcribed in 1901 as McHoney- and strange that they could have an 11 year old grandson at their ages!
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932048
From numerous online posts on numerous forums it would seem that this Andrew McAloney married (although says certificate never found) Jane Quinn and had son Andrew in 1903 (Crocknamack, Portrush) & later daughter Jeannie.
Finally getting somewhere tracing the above family. In 1911 Jane McAloney & 2 children (Andrew 7 and Jeanie 5) are living with Gilmour relatives in Coleraine. Have to check my files but should have something on them.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Circular_Road/589422
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Thank you Aghadowey and Gaffy for your replies to my post. You have both been very busy. So much so, that I'm not entirely sure which is the easiest point to address first. However, I have to let you know that my reply is rather long and will probably require two or more postings to get it all posted.
So, I'll start with the tree on
http://www.ancestrysolutions.com/FamilyCollectives/getperson.php?personID=I4517&tree=1 (http://www.ancestrysolutions.com/FamilyCollectives/getperson.php?personID=I4517&tree=1)
That is mine which is somewhat out-of-date as I have now established the deaths of several of the earlier children many of whom died within days and months of having been born, vizt. Robert John died 13 Sep 1874 not quite 7 years old; the unnamed son died 3 Feb 1870 just 2 days after birth; Annie Margaret died 26 Dec 1870 being one month after birth; the first Andrew died 29 Oct 1871 being 5 days after birth, leaving William, James, Robert, Andrew and Matilda as the 'living' children.
Furthermore, I have established that the Mary Ann McAloney who died in 1913 is not Mary Ann nee CARSON. The death certificate from 1913 reveals that Mary Ann McAloney was the "former wife of a labourer, signed by John McAloney widower of deceased present at death. Died 28 September 1913 at Tullans Coleraine." I have also found this Mary Ann with her husband John on the 1911 census at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Knockantern/Tullans/590517/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Knockantern/Tullans/590517/)
which reveals that John McAloney was born in Co. Antrim, the couple were married for 14 years and there were no children of the marriage born at any time.
So, that still leaves me without any death registration in Ireland for 'my' James McAloney and Mary Ann nee CARSON.
The Andrew McAloney and Jane Quinn conundrum I have been trying to drill down on for some time. In all documentation that I have found for Andrew he claims a birth year of 1882 whereas Andrew of 'my' family was born in 1877. I, too, have looked for a marriage certificate for this couple and have come up empty - no marriage in England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland. Yet, I did confirm that the surname of the mother of the two children Andrew and Jane, as she was born, was QUINN. I have not found this Andrew's death which should have occurred between 1906 and 1911 when his wife claims that she is a widower. I believe that this Andrew is the fellow on the 1901 census at:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932048 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932048)
The James McAloney who died in 1912 at Crocknamack may not fit with the Andrew McAloney born there 1903. This particular James McAloney was aged 70 years on his death in 1912 placing his birth year circa 1842. If the Andrew aged 19 of the 1901 census is the fellow who was the father of Andrew in 1903 then Andrew's father, James, was either badly mistated age wise on the 1901 census or the death of James in 1912 saw the age badly overstated.
Doing the math of Andrew's parents, James and Mary Ann, produces years of birth for them of 1861 and 1863, respectively. The first known and confirmed child of 'my' James and Mary Ann (nee CARSON) is Robert John who was born 27 Dec 1867 in Coleraine, utterly dismissing the James and Mary Ann with Andrew in 1901 as contenders for being the same people.
See Continuation #1
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Continuation #1
Andrew of 'my' family is not found on any of the census even considering the vast array of surname spelling variations McAloney, McAlony, McAlaney, McAleney, McAloaney, McIloney, McAlhoney, and so on with the Mac prefix. The Irish records are lacking a traditional soundex variant for searching, which, in the case of this surname would be of enormous assistance.
Next, "Eliza McAloney (spinster) of Brook Street Coleraine married an Archibald Hamill". The census indicates that this woman was born in Co. Antrim. There appears to be only one Eliza McAloney born in Co. Antrim around the 1869 mark and that is Eliza McAloney born 22 July 1866 at Portglenone, Antrim. Her parents were James McAloney and Eliza Jane Simpson. Again, the commonness of names is at the ready to trip up the unsuspecting researcher. The 1911 census for the Hamill family, including James McAloney, again states that James McAloney was born in Co. Antrim and was 70 years old. Here we have a candidate for the James McAloney who died 1 year later at aged 70 years. And, in fact, Gaffy has kindly added the death details: "The closest official "fit" I can find for a death for Lizzie Hamill's father James McAloney in the 1911 census return is one recorded in Ballymoney General Hospital on 5 February 1912, a male 70 year old widower, labourer, from Crocknamack (Portrush), who died after 9 months of a stroke." So, I am fairly confident that the James of the 1912 death is not the James belonging to Andrew in 1901 and neither of those two James is James father of 'my' Robert McAloney.
In closing I would add that I now have the marriage certificate of 'my' James McAloney to Mary Ann Carson. They married in Killowen, Coleraine 17 Nov 1861 with the particulars being:
1861. Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Killowin, in the County of Londonderry. No. 82.
When Married: November 17, 1861
Groom's Particulars: James McAlony, age 21, Condition: Batchelor, Rank or Profession: labourer,
Residence at the Time of Marriage: Long Common in Coleraine Parish.
Father's Name and Surname: William McAlony
Rank or Profession of Father: labourer
Bride's Particulars:
Name and Surname: Mary Anne Carson, age: 21, Condition: Spinster, Rank or Profession: blank, Residence at the Time of Marriage: Lauril? Hill in Killowin Parish.
Father's Name and Surname: Andrew Carson
Rank or Profession of Father: labourer
Married in the Church of Killowin according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland by Licence by me, [initial illegible] Sillits
This Marriage was solemnized between us, James [his mark] McAlony
Mary Anne [her mark] Carson
in the presence of John Crossley, Muriel? Lynn
So, I now have 'my' James McAloney's father's name - William. William died "
#499, seventeenth August 1867, Rat Row, Coleraine, William McAloney, male, married, 60 years, weaver, chronic hepatitis, three years uncertified, no medical attendant, Mary Jane McAloney her mark present at the death, Rat Row, Coleraine, registered thirtieth August 1867, Richard L. M'Intire, Registrar"
This Mary Jane McAloney was nee LEIGHTON and was William's second marriage which took place at Dunboe, Coleraine - a lucky break as that marriage certificate provided William's father's name and occupation - Robert McAloney, a farmer. I have found no children attributed to the second marriage of William McAloney. But, believe that there was another son born during his first marriage to an unknown woman. That son is believed to be another William McAloney born about 1829. As the information concerning the earliest Robert McAloney, the farmer, is so new, I have not had an opportunity to yet delve into his family's composition.
My main concern at this point is attempting to locate the living in the hopes that someone somewhere has a diary, letters, family Bible, et cetera.
I hope I have covered all of the points. But if I have missed something please let me know.
Many thanks for taking an interest in this puzzle and investing your time and energies into helping solve it. I appreciate it greatly.
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Thanks for posting the additional details and clearing up some things but it helps if you post what you know at the start. I did come across other now apparently relevant bits the other day which I didn't post :-\
Recap of the children-
William to Scotland & England
? Annie Margaret c1865-1871
death 1871? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRT8-3J8
Robert John born 27 Dec.1867 died 13 Sep 1874
son born 1 Feb.1870 died 3 Feb 1870
Annie Margaret born 20 Nov.1870 died 26 Dec 1870
Andrew born 24 Oct.1871 died 29 Oct.1871
James born 13 Sept.1872
Robert born 20 May 1875 died 1961 Ontario
Andrew born 14 Dec.1877
Matilda born 15 Aug.1880
Name and Surname: Mary Anne Carson, age: 21, Condition: Spinster, Rank or Profession: blank, Residence at the Time of Marriage: Lauril? Hill in Killowin Parish.
Laurel Hill, Killowen Parish
Married in the Church of Killowin according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland by Licence by me, [initial illegible] Sillits
Alexander Sillito
Since Coleraine was/is on the Londonderry/Antrim border it's very common to find people moving from one to the other and often one census they give one county as birthplace then in other census the other county.
Will continue with Andrew McAloney & Jane Quinn in next post...
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Andrew Gilmour (30 Nov.1868 Co.Derry-1947 Carthall, Coleraine), son of Andrew Gilmour & Mary Anne Black, m.(12 July 1890 Coleraine) Ellen Campbell, m.(19 Sept.1899 Coleraine) Mary Quinn (c1873 Co.Antrim-aft.1911).
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballymoney__Urban__and_Ballymoney_Urban_District/Meetinghouse_Street/1009077
In 1911 her sister Jane McAloney (nee Quinn) is living in the household with her 2 children, Andrew & Jeanie-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Circular_Road/589422
Ages and relationships in 1911 census are misleading. The 'nephew' James Campbell Gilmour is here with Andrew's brother in 1901- George B. Gilmour supposed to be married to Emily Campbell although I haven't found a marriage yet-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Ballylagan/Craignahorn/1521818
Andrew McAloney is here in 1901 but Jane McAloney is a widow in 1911 so he likely died between Jeanie's birth & March 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932048
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Thank you, Aghadowey, for clarification on Laurel Hill and the name of the officiant Mr. Sillito. I appreciate having the details correct.
I also appreciate how close Coleraine was to Ballymoney and the county border. Cross-border drift was commonplace throughout the UK. However, I'm not, now, nor have I been in the past, convinced that Andrew McAloney in Ballymoney is the Andrew of 'my' McAloney family. There are at least two distinct James McAloney's that seem to have been in situ in Co. Antrim having families.
The last known place of residence in Ireland for my Robert McAloney was 27 Arundel Street, Belfast. This comes from his marriage to his first wife, Elizabeth McColl, to wit:
1898 Marriage solemnized at St. Anne's in the Parish of Belfast, in the Diocese of Connor.
#86, 28 December 1898, Robert McIloney, 24, bachelor, carpenter, residing at 27 Arundel Street, Belfast, father James McAloney, posting and stable keeper and Elizabeth McColl, 24, spinster, dressmaker, residing at 26 Arundel Street, Belfast, father Malcolm McColl, mechanic.
Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of Ireland by licence by me David F. R. Wilson
This Marriage was solemnized between us, Robert McIloney and Elizabeth McColl. in the Presence of us, Francis Law, Jennie Bruce.
It is suggested by this marriage that James McAloney was still living late into 1898 and based on his occupation, I'd hazard a guess that he was also in Belfast or in some other major centre.
I know this marriage for Robert McAloney to be 100% correct as their first child's birth certificate cross-verifies the mother's maiden surname. That child was Adelaide McAloney born 11 April 1900 in Bolton le Moors, Lancashire and that child eventually immigrated to Canada with her brother, half-sister and step-mother, Robert's second wife.
The marriage of Robert to his second wife occurred in Scotland:
Entry No. 255:
1902 on the first day of December at 269 High Street, Glasgow by Declaration in presence of ROBERT LOGAN, Tailor, and ANNIE CARSON, millioner Mercantile Clerk.
Groom: Robert McAloney (signed), joiner journeyman, bachelor, aged 28 years, usual residence 319 Parliamentary Road, Glasgow, parents James McAloney cab proprietor and Mary McAloney m[aiden] s[urname] Carson.
Bride: Mary Logan (signed), spinster, aged 28 years, usual residence 319 Parliamentary Road, Glasgow, parents Alexander Logan formerly a stevedore and Mary Logan m.s. Ross.
If a regular Marriage, Signatures of officiating Minister and Witnesses. If irregular, Date of Conviction, Decree of Declarator, or Sheriff's Warrant: Warrant of Sheriff substituted of Lanarkshire dated 1st December 1902.
When and Where Registered and signature of Registrar: 1902 December 1st, at Glasgow by James B. McLaren, Registrar
and confirms his parents names in full and, again, suggests that both were still living as at December 1902. The child from this marriage also immigrated to Canada with her mother and two half-siblings during October 1909. The second, and last, child born to Robert and Mary was Robert Carson McAloney at Maisonneuve, Montreal, Quebec, Canada on 21 Aug 1910.
As Robert moved from Coleraine to Belfast to Lancashire to Glasgow and his brother, William, is also believed to have taken a similar exodus from Ireland, I would suspect that the other members of the family either also followed similar migration routes or moved into Belfast and remained there.
This is why I narrowly defined my search to specifically any descendants of this specific McAloney family as I am hoping that they have answers to some of the family riddles that cannot be answered through biographical or genealogical research.
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I have information re Andrew McAloney, born at Crocknamack, Portrush, 1903, as he was my father. Have tried to find out information on my grandmother, formerly Jane Quinn, who had a sister living in Coleraine.
Andrew & Jeanie McAloney(1911 Census) referred to in this article were in fact my father and Aunt Jeanie, both deceased.
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I am researching the family of James McAloney, 1857-1920 and Margaret McKinlay, 1855-1924. No marriage cert located yet, they had 12 children in Cloyfin, then various locations in Coleraine and finally in Belfast. In trying to find out more about James McAloney, I have been looking at the other Coleraine McAloney families. One, that of John McAloney and Elizabeth Wilson, had moved to Glasgow by the 1901 Census. The other is the one described here, that of James McAloney and Mary Anne Carson. I have taken valuable information from the discussion above, for which thank you very much.
While Zacktyr says "My main concern at this point is attempting to locate the living in the hopes that someone somewhere has a diary, letters, family Bible, et cetera.", I know that the descendants of the McAloneys I am researching vanished into the bowels of Belfast, many of them emigrating to America, so I am more interested in the ancestors of James McAloney and Margaret McKinlay. I have Margaret traced back to Alexander McKinlay, 1781-1864, of Articrunaght and later, Cloyfin, I am struggling to push the McAloneys back beyond James who first appears in Cloyfin in 1878.
I really need his marriage but if he did not register it and it is not recorded in a church, then I know I will not find it. Which brings me to my main question. Does anyone know if the records of Ballyrashane Presbyterian church are accessible at the church in Coleraine or does one have to travel to PRONI in Belfast. I know that RootsIreland has the marriages but not the baptisms. Better still, does anyone have information on this McAloney family of Coleraine?
Trying to push backwards, I have not yet accessed the Tithe Applotment Books for the relevant parishes around Coleraine and will not til I travel down to the FHC in Derry, but Bill McAfee's database shows me that there are only two McAloney families in the 1831 census fragment for Co Derry, a James McAloney of Meetinghouse Place, Coleraine and a William McAloney of Cashel, Parish of Macosquin. Can anyone link them into any of the three McAloney families I have identified in the later 19th century around Coleraine?
Naturally, I am willing to share any information I have on James and Margaret McAloney of Cloyfin.
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Does anyone know if the records of Ballyrashane Presbyterian church are accessible at the church in Coleraine or does one have to travel to PRONI in Belfast. I know that RootsIreland has the marriages but not the baptisms.
Coleraine Library, Queen St., had copies of the microfilmed church records from PRONI-
film #52: baptisms 1863-1868, marriages 1846-1870
film #53: baptisms 1872-1928, marriages 1846-1936
The film numbers are Coleraine's references and #53 is better quality than #52.
However, Coleraine Library is under renovation and I'm not sure where the microfilms will be stored/if they are accessable during the building work so best to phone them for details.
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Thanks, I had quite forgotten that they were there!! I shall check up on when the library is open.
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I have been trying to get in touch with Mr Wuggs who seems to have information about McAloney family of Coleraine that I have been trying for years to find out about. Andrew McAloney and Jane Quinn were my grandmother and grandfather. Jane Quinn remarried some time later after death of her husband and was then called McNerlin. I could not find their marriage certificate either (my grandparents )but she remarried under the name of McAloney and she had been living in Coleraine with her sister. My father was Andrew born 1903 in Crocknamack Portrush. Hope to discover more information in future.
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Hi Mr Valally. There would appear to be two McAloneys families in the area in the mid 19th century. Yours has Portrush connections. The one i am researching is confined to the area around Cloyfin just east of Coleraine. I do have information on both however. Contact me on (*) Boyd.
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Thanks, Valally, for the recent family details which helped sort out Andrew McAloney & Jane Quinn. Still a bit more to check then post but here's a start with some details you've been looking for a good while.
Andrew McAloney died 1908 Portrush-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05481/4534869.pdf
Age give as 26 but more about that later.
Jane McAloney, widow, daughter of Joseph Quinn, married 1913 James McNerlane (Andy & Mary Gilmour signed as witnesses). GRONI have groom as James McFarlane although the writing really couldn't be plainer!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09888/5592091.pdf
Their daughter Agnes McNerland born 1914-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574840.pdf
Forgot to add Agnes' twin sister-
Annie Mary McNerland 1914-1915
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574840.pdf https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05275/4464843.pdf
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James McAloney (c1842-1912 Crocknamack) m.(17 Nov.1861 Killowen) Mary Ann Carson (c1849-1903 Portrush)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932048
Death (1903) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05648/4589800.pdf
James McAloney in Hamill household www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Portrush_Town/Portrush/131208
1. William McAloney (c1863 Coleraine)
2. Annie Margaret McAloney (c1865-1871)
3. Robert John McAloney (27 Dec.1867 Rosemary La.-13 Sept.1874)
4. Son (1 Feb.1870 Rosemary La.-3 Feb.1870)
5. Annie Margaret McAloney (20 Nov.1870 North Rampart-26 Dec.1870)
6. Lizzie/Eliza McAloney
7. Andrew McAloney (24 Oct.1871 The Mall-29 Oct.1871)
8. James McAloney (13 Sept.1872 Brook St.)
9. Robert McAloney (20 May 1875 Brook St.-1961 Ontario)
10. Andrew McAloney (14 Dec.1877 Brook St.-1908)
11. Matilda McAloney (15 Aug.1880 Brook St.)
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Continuing from the above post...
William McAloney (c1863 Coleraine-aft.1911), plasterer, m.(1888) Sarah Simpson (c1861-1893) m.2 Kate (b.Scot)
Marriage (1888) father James (carman) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10765/5925760.pdf
Death (1893) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06014/4711826.pdf
1891- 5 Forster Street Hebburn On Tyne: William McAloney (30 Ire.) lab. shipyard, wife Kate McAloney (23)
1901- Hebburn: William McAloney (36 Coleraine), Kate McAloney (32), Isabella McAloney (5), Margaret McAloney (2)
1. William McAloney (1889 Portrush)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02467/1916177.pdf
2. Isabella McAloney (c1896-aft.1901)
3. Margaret McAloney (c1899-aft.1911)
4. Catherine McAloney (c1902-aft.1911)
5. Wilhelmina McAloney (c1903-aft.1911)
James McAloney (13 Sept.1872 Brook St.), plasterer, m.(1894 Belfast) Mary Gaynor https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03240/2187016.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10576/5852865.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Antrim_Urban/Church_Street/915544
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Antrim_Urban/Church_Street/292873
1. William Daniel “Willie” McAloney (1895-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02219/1837156.pdf
2. James McAloney (c1897-aft.1911)
3. Rose McAloney (1899-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02043/1782210.pdf
4. Marian McAloney (1901-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01968/1758556.pdf
5. Fobby? McAloney (c1905)
6. Annie Martha Alice McAloney (1907)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01701/1674440.pdf
7. Maggie McAloney (1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01532/1620756.pdf
8. Elizabeth Elsie McAloney (1914)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01405/1577582.pdf
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Even though I can't find a birth registration (I think she might have been born before 1863 and census age is incorrect) I'm confident that she must be of this family-
Lizzie/Eliza McAloney (c1871-aft.1911) m.(3 Nov.1891 St. Patrick’s) Archibald Hamill
Marriage https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10682/5892922.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932106
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Portrush_Town/Portrush/131208
Coleraine Cemetery- Cox in loving memory of a dear uncle Joseph died 23rd July 1988 aged 89 years and his loving wife Jean died 18th September 1960 aged 55 years also Jean’s mother Jane McNerlin died 9th September 1948 aged 72 years at rest.
Have more on James McNerlin which I can send separately if you are interested.
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Meant to add that William McAloney's son William (born 1889) from his 1st marriage is with grandparents in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portrush_Urban/Causeway_Street/932048
William shown age 11, ages for James & Mary Ann are years off and even son Andrew's age is not correct.
Also, William's first wife Sarah Simpson died 1893 in Ireland yet he's listed in 1891 census in England with Scottish wife Kate!
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Hi Mr Valally. There would appear to be two McAloneys families in the area in the mid 19th century. Yours has Portrush connections. The one i am researching is confined to the area around Cloyfin just east of Coleraine. I do have information on both however. Contact me on (*) Boyd.
The Cloyfin ones are certainly an interesting family but not sure where your connection comes in :-\
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Hello,
There is a bit of a red-herring thrown up in the information concerning William McAloney at Hebburn. I believe that William McAloney to be a descendant of one of the as yet unidentified uncles of James McAloney (who married Mary Carson).
William McAloney, the son of James McAloney and Mary (Anne) nee Carson, was born circa 1865-1870. As a birth certificate cannot be located for him, I suspect that his birth was just prior to the commencement of civil registration for births. This William McAloney married twice, both in Ireland, and died there in 1917. He was also there in 1901 on the census with the family of his second wife, the Swanns.
For the specifics:
1. William McAloney married first Sarah Simpson (as given by Aghadowey above) on 1 Jun 1888 at Ballywillan, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. With this wife he had one child: William McAloney born 9 Aug 1899 at Church Schools, Portrush, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Sarah nee Simpson died 28 Jan 1893 at Springhill, Portrush, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland.
2. William McAloney married second Lydia Swann:
Church of Ireland, Marriage Register Book True Copy, Ireland (www.irishgenealogy.ie), Antrim Parish Church, Antrim, Co. Antrim, Ireland, Entry #74, 19 Oct 1898.
"1898 Marriage solemnized at Antrim Church in the Parish of Antrim in the County of Antrim
#74, 13th July 1898,
Groom's particulars:
Name and Surname: William McAloney
Age: Full
Condition: Widower
Rank or Profession: Plasterer
Residence at time of marriage: Antrim
Father's Name and Surname: James McAloney
Rank or Profession of Father: Car-driver
Bride's Particulars:
Name and Surname: Lydia Swann
Age: Full
Condition: Spinster
Rank or Profession: Dressmaker
Residence at time of marriage: Antrim
Father's Name and Surname: Robert Swann
Rank or Profession of Father: Farmer
Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of Ireland by License by me, M. H. F. Collis
This Marriage was solemnized between us [signed] William McAloney, [signed] Lydia Swann
in the presence of us [signed] Robert McAloney, [signed] Lizzie McColl.
I, M. H. F. Collis Officiating Minister of Antrim Church in the County of Antrim hereby certify, that the foregoing, comprising one entry numbered 74 is a true copy of the entry so numbered, made in the Marriage Register Books of the said Church. Witness my hand, this 19th day of October 1898 M. H. F. Collis signature of Minister."
[https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10422/5794752.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10422/5794752.pdf).]
By this marriage he had 2 children:
A. Margaret McAloney born 8 Jun 1899 at Muckamsee(?) Grange, Massereene, Antrim, Co. Antrim, Ireland.
B. Georgina McAloney born 15 Sep 1901 at Fountain Street, Antrim, Co. Antrim, Ireland.
The undeniable proof that this second marriage and series of events is correct comes in the names of the witnesses to this second marriage "Robert McAloney" and "Lizzie McColl".
This Robert McAloney and Lizzie McColl married 28 Dec 1898 at St. Anne, Belfast, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Their children, Adelaide McAloney and Malcolm McAloney were both born in Bolton District, Lancashire and emigrated to Montreal, Canada with their step-mother, Mary (nee Logan having married Robert McAloney 1 Dec 1902 in Glasgow, he claiming to have been a bachelor even with two children in tow) and step-sibling, Agnes Davis McAloney (Born Ayrshire, Scotland 1904), in 1909.
3. William McAloney and his wife, "Lena" Swann were residing with her father and siblings on Fountain Street, Antrim in 1901 [http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000252597/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000252597/)]
4. William McAloney died:
1917 Nineteenth April, Whitehead Templecorran, William McAloney, male, married, 47 years, plasterer, cause of death strangulated femoral hernia, five days duration, certified, informant Robert McAloney, son, present at death, Whitehead, registered twenty third April 1917, Chs. Dundee Registrar
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05217/4443379.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05217/4443379.pdf)
I have not been able to locate the birth of the son "Robert McAloney" named as informant on the death. However, there was a registration in 1882 of a Robert McAloney but alas the irishgenealogy.ie site has attached the wrong image to the entry. I have informed them of the error.
So, anyone who has copied down and taken on the family details of William McAloney as given in Aghadowey's list of details needs to remove those from the family of James McAloney and Mary (Anne) nee Carson.
Continued in next post
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Following on from my previous post:
Recent (late 2016) research has revealed that James McAloney's father was one William McAloney born circa 1807. He died 17 Aug 1867 residing at Rat Row, Coleraine [Source: Coleraine District, D/1867/94/1008/2/499: #499, seventeenth August 1867, Rat Row, Coleraine, William McAloney, male, married, 60 years, weaver, chronic hepatitis, three years uncertified, no medical attendant, Mary Jane McAloney her mark present at the death, Rat Row, Coleraine, registered thirtieth August 1867, Richard L. M'Intire, Registrar]
This senior William had married a second time, luckily Mary Jane LEIGHTON 27 Nov 1850 at Dunboe, Coleraine:
1850 Marriage solemnized at 2nd Dunboe Presbyterian Church in the Parish of Dunboe, in the County of Londonderry.
#36, 27 Nov 1850, William McAlony, age 27 or 29?, widower, weaver, residing at Ballenues?, father Robert McAloney, farmer and Mary Jane Leighton, age 22?, spinster, no occupation, residing at Knockmult, father William Leighton, labourer.
Married in the 2nd Dunboe Presbyterian Church according to the Form and Discipline of the Presbyterian Church by licence by me William Stewart
This Marriage was solemnized between us, William McAloney [he signed] and Mary Jane Leighton by her mark. in the Presence of us, Isaac Cameron and John Cameron.
The marriage, of course, provided the name of this senior William's father, Robert McAloney, a farmer. Even though this elderly Robert was still living in 1850 there is no death certificate for him found so he must have died between 1850 and 1864.
Returning to James McAloney (husband of Mary (Anne) Carson): He was born circa 1840 and so was the son of William and an as yet unknown wife. The 1831 census of Coleraine revealed that there was an additional male in the household of William. As James had not yet been born, this indicates the presence of a male sibling of James. I believe his name to have also been William born circa 1829. I have not pursued further research into William or any other potential siblings as yet. But certainly, a case can be made for other McAloney's of the Coleraine area to be descended from the elderly Robert (born circa 1785).
I hope this isn't too confusing. I'm a bit rushed at the moment. If anyone has any questions please ask.
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Yes, definately a few things to clear up with the family of James McAloney & Mary Ann Carson.
In view of the marriage of William McAloney to Lydia Swann then this is incorrect- the marriage of William to Kate before the death of his first wife was something I flagged up earlier.
Of the 4, William is believed to have settled in South Shields, England around the turn of the 20th century after having married in Scotland
So-
William McAloney (c1863 Coleraine-1917 Templecorran, Larne), plasterer, m.(1888) Sarah Simpson (c1861-1893) m.2 (1898) Lydia/Helena Swann
Marriage (1888) father James (carman) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10765/5925760.pdf
Death (1893) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06014/4711826.pdf
Marriage (1898(https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10422/5794752.pdf (Antrim & William’s brother James lived Antrim)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Antrim_Urban/Fountain_Street/915583
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Templecorran/Windsor_Avenue/189120
death (1917) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05217/4443379.pdf (informant son Robert)
1. William McAloney (1889 Portrush)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02467/1916177.pdf
2. Margaret “Maggie” McAloney (1899 Muckamore Grange-aft.1911)
3. Georgina McAloney (1901-aft.1911) mother Helena Swan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01946/1751869.pdf
4. Robert McAloney (1903-aft.1917) parents William McIlhoney & Elena Swan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01882/1731822.pdf
5. Richard McAloney (1904-aft.1911) parents William McIloney & Helena Swan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01830/1714944.pdf
I have not been able to locate the birth of the son "Robert McAloney" named as informant on the death. However, there was a registration in 1882 of a Robert McAloney but alas the irishgenealogy.ie site has attached the wrong image to the entry. I have informed them of the error.
Link to Robert's birth posted above- spelling of surname on certificate made it more difficult to find
Can also add marriage for James McAloney (son of James & Mary)-
2. James McAloney (c1897-aft.1911) m.(1920 Belfast) Anna Hutcheson marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09276/5358421.pdf
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Thanks for all this information but the McAloneys I am interested in are James McAloney & his wife Mary Ann Carson. One of their sons Andrew McAloney would have been my grandfather. but he did not live a long time,seems to have died in his twenties. His wife Jane Quinn was my grandmother and I did know her when I was very young. I stayed in her house later on in my life when my husband got a job in Coleraine, at Monsanto(Chemstrand). Of course she was no longer living at that time but I DO remember her very well. Although I cannot find a marriage certificate I feel sure they were married as she was always known as Mrs McAloney. Later when I lived in her house I found a wedding ring and engagement ring and some rosary beads in a vase in the living-room (which obviously belonged to her).There was in fact a suitcase full of some of her clothes and documents but at that time in my life I did not really bother to open it as I was not then interested in family history.This was in the attic of her house. Now in the 1911 census she was living in Coleraine with her sister and husband and was referred to as Jane McAloney, likewise my father then only 7 and Jeannie McAloney then only 5. Also she claimed to have been married 8 years then. I would have liked to find out if she had other sisters or a brother and where their descendants are at the present time. This was a mixed marriage so making it difficult to really find out a lot of information.
I have my father's birth certificate and it says quite clearly he was born in Crocknamack Portrush on 19th Oct. 1903 and his father was Andrew McAloney also and his mother Jane McAloney formerly Quinn.
Any further information on my grandmother(formerly Jane Quinn) I would be pleased to receive.
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Thanks for all this information but the McAloneys I am interested in are James McAloney & his wife Mary Ann Carson.
Most of what I posted recently IS your family- see posts #19, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 27.
It may be that Andrew McAloney and Jane Quinn either didn't marry in Ireland or didn't marry at all. Might be worth having a look for marriage in Scotland.
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Just typing details of Jane Quinn's family and our electric went off again so will be a while before I can post again
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Starting again :'(
1911 Mary & sister Jane both born Co. Antrim-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Circular_Road/589422
Mary Quinn's marriage gives father as Joseph Quinn (labourer)- witnesses Matthew Mullen & Emily Taggart-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10387/5781888.pdf
as does Jane's 2nd marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09888/5592091.pdf
A Mary Ann Quinn born Bushmills 1865- parents Joseph Quinn (labourer) & Ann McBride-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03556/2309287.pdf
Daughter Jane born 1876 to same couple-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03073/2126309.pdf
Son Joseph born 1873 to same couple-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03189/2169179.pdf
Daughter Rosetta (1878) to same couple-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02957/2083109.pdf
Daughter Ellen (1868) to same couple
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03423/2255749.pdf
Son James born 1871- father ploughman-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03301/2209623.pdf
No proof yet that this is your Quinn family but certainly enough to consider them as possibilites and checking further
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Quote from: Zacktyr on Sunday 08 May 16 03:08 BST (UK)
Of the 4, William is believed to have settled in South Shields, England around the turn of the 20th century after having married in Scotland
Yes, note the date of my post - May of 2016. Much more detailed research has been done since that time. Robert McAloney (born 1875) was my uncle whom I knew very well. He was also the great-grandfather of another woman with whom I am in constant contact. All family stories centered around the constant movements of the McAloney men "...always hard to pin down, never easy to catch...". Certainly, Robert and several of his hard-to-track siblings have proved that family adage quite well. Never know where they will turn up. But, now William has been settled.
Aghadowey, thanks for digging out the births of the other two children of William and Lydia (Helena) Swann. I didn't have the time to search all surname spelling variants and notice that for the registration of Robert (1903) the surname is spelled even more bizarrely than usual "McIlhoney"! I knew there would be more children and, really, there still may be even more, perhaps some lost in childbirth.
Also, please clarify for me to which James you are referring? If this is supposed to be James who was the son of James McAloney and Mary (Anne) Carson then, no, this is not correct. If it's a son of this last mentioned James, then, yes, it is likely correct based on the father's occupation. I just want to be sure to which one you are referring in the snippet below.
Can also add marriage for James McAloney (son of James & Mary)-
2. James McAloney (c1897-aft.1911) m.(1920 Belfast) Anna Hutcheson marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09276/5358421.pdf
Thank you.
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Yes, note the date of my post - May of 2016. Much more detailed research has been done since that time.
Less than 1 year ago but unless you update the details we've no way of knowing what or how much new information has been found. Good to get William's family sorted out better now and lots more details in your earlier posts would need re-examining in light of everything found recently.
Aghadowey, thanks for digging out the births of the other two children of William and Lydia (Helena) Swann. I didn't have the time to search all surname spelling variants and notice that for the registration of Robert (1903) the surname is spelled even more bizarrely than usual "McIlhoney"! I knew there would be more children and, really, there still may be even more, perhaps some lost in childbirth.
The 1911 census says 4 children so likely all have been found.
Also, please clarify for me to which James you are referring? If this is supposed to be James who was the son of James McAloney and Mary (Anne) Carson then, no, this is not correct. If it's a son of this last mentioned James, then, yes, it is likely correct based on the father's occupation. I just want to be sure to which one you are referring in the snippet below.
see James son of James McAloney & Mary Gaynor in reply #21 (grandson of James McAloney & Mary Ann Carson)
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Thanks so much for all this information. Just what I wanted to know and yes I am sure that this is my Quinn family. Still can't find any details about my grandmas first marriage. It is a mystery, but I still think she WAS married to McAloney.
Posted on behalf of member Valally who had sent the message to me in error.
Regards
Sarah
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Baptisms for children of Joseph Quinn & Ann McBride-
Marianne (28 Jan.1866) http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633114#page/21/mode/1up
Ellen (1 Oct.1868) http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633114#page/23/mode/1up
James (19 Mar.1871) http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633114#page/26/mode/1up
Joseph (10 Aug.1873) http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633114#page/28/mode/1up
Jane (19 Mar.1876) http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633114#page/30/mode/1up
Rosanne (8 Sept.1878) http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633114#page/31/mode/1up
could be others
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Thanks Aghadowey for all the info here. I am Andrew McAloney's daugher, father born Crocnamack, Portrush in 1903. Am still trying to figure out where all this info fits in to what I already know, but a great help. I tried years ago to find out more but then gave up but now have a renewed interst in finding more information. Very helpful to have information on Jane Quinn's sisters and brother, etc as Jane was my grandmother. I did not know she had any sisters and brother. Would be great if I could find out where their descendants are now. Also hope to continue with researching my grandfather's family the McAloneys. Now my father's middle name was Carson, yet there seems to be some dispute as to who Mary Ann Carson was married to. Have always thought she was my grandfather's mother.
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There's no double who Mary Ann Carson married- her husband was James McAloney- go back and read through the thread to see all that's been found.
I posted details of the family of a Jane Quinn but you need to do more research to be sure that it is your grandmother Jane Quinn.
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Yes, I do agree that Jas McAloney married Mary Ann Carson as I got a lot of information from a Susan Young in Canada I think who had a website "email removed" in 2006 which stated this and she said she suspected that there were about 14 children born to these two people. Her cousin apparently was Robert McAloney's daughter Mary one of that family. Robert McAloney was born in Brook Street, Coleraine. I have a copy of that document. He was born on 20th May 1875. Thanks for all the information you gave me, it all helps. I think some of the children she mentioned did not survive though and marry eventually, but some did and I must find out where they are(the descendants) if possible. As you can see from the date mentioned I did try many years ago to find out more information but gave up. Now I would like to do some more and maybe get more info.
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Hello Valally,
I have just removed this persons email as this is how spammers pick up on folks email.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Valally,
I am the one that you had correspondence with many years back.
Yes, my email used to be the vaxxine.com address but that changed many years ago. You can contact me directly PM through here, as you did a few days ago.
Yes, Mary McAloney was my cousin. She passed away 12 Dec 2003. Her mother (my aunt), Edith nee Hill passed away on 4 Aug 2001 and Robert McAloney (my uncle who was the son of James McAloney and Mary (Anne) nee Carson) passed away on 14 Dec 1961. He was 86 years, 6 months and 24 days old at the time of his death in 1961. My aunt never remarried. Our family being very small and matriarchical, my aunt and my mother worked together, Mary looked after me after school, we lived within a blocks of each other. So, our relationships were very close.
To date, 10 children have been absolutely confirmed as having been born to James McAloney and Mary (Ann) Carson. I put Mary's middle name in brackets as sometimes it was used on the birth certificates of the children and sometimes it wasn't. Until a baptism document can be found for her no one can say with impunity that her name was or was not Mary Anne or simply Mary.
James McAloney and Mary (Ann) Carson married 17 Nov 1861 but the earliest confirmed child is William who was born circa 1864/5. So, there is a definite possibility that there was one or two children born even earlier in their marriage that may have died in infancy or during childbirth. Some things such as this we may never know.
You and I have both been working toward the same end, Valally - to attempt to locate living descendants with more knowledge of the family than either of us have. I have more than you do. What I am able to share, I have. The rest, I'm afraid relates to the more delicate and private side of Robert's life in all of the places in which he has lived. Some of the information I have (all documented proof) affects other living descendants and as such ethically and morally I cannot share that information. I am in regular touch with Robert's other descendants.
Just to summarize the known children of James and Mary (Ann) nee Carson for you:
The Dead:
1. Robert John born 27 Dec 1867, died 13 Sep 1874 (Brook Street, Coleraine)
2. unnamed son born 1 Feb 1870, died 3 Feb 1870
3. Annie Margaret born 26 Nov, died 26 Dec 1870
4. Andrew born 24 Oct 1871, died 29 Oct 1871
The Living:
5. William born circa 1864/5, married twice had 5 known children, died 19 Apr 1917 Whitehead, Templecorran.
6. Eliza born circa 1869 married Archibald Hamill, no known children.
7. James born 13 Sep 1871 married once, 8 children identified.
8. Robert (my uncle) born 20 May 1875, married 3 times, 5 children between the 3 wives. Unfortunately, none of the other children knew even as much as I do about Robert's life.
9. Andrew born 14 Dec 1877, died 12 Nov 1908, known to have lived with Jane Quinn in a possibly common-law marriage. The lack of a marriage certificate is a hindrance. Jane's second marriage seems to have been very blatantly registered under her maiden surname of Quinn despite her assertion that her names was, at that time, Jane McAloney, from irishgenealogy.ie, to wit:
"Party 1 Name JAMES MCNERLANE
Party 2 Name JANE QUINN
Date of Event 18 August 1913
Group Registration ID 1706435
SR District/Reg Area Coleraine"
This second marriage was by licence.
The fact that Andrew and Jane's first child was named Andrew Carson McAloney would strongly suggest that this family properly belongs to James McAloney and Mary (Ann) nee Carson. However, the commonness of the surname Carson dictates that one also has to always reserve, in the light of the lack of other documentary evidence to the contrary, that there is a possibility that this family belongs to a different branch of the McAloney tribe.
10. Matilda born 15 Aug 1880, fate unknown.
So, to sum up, it would appear that any living descendants would likely now be found to be descendants of either William or James - you comprising descendants of Andrew and myself and my contacts comprising descendants/relatives of Robert. Of course, if anyone can locate Matilda or discover if she or Eliza had any children, then those two daughters are also possible sources of descendants.
Must run for now.
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Hi Aghadowey,
Aghadowey, thanks for digging out the births of the other two children of William and Lydia (Helena) Swann. I didn't have the time to search all surname spelling variants and notice that for the registration of Robert (1903) the surname is spelled even more bizarrely than usual "McIlhoney"! I knew there would be more children and, really, there still may be even more, perhaps some lost in childbirth.
The 1911 census says 4 children so likely all have been found.
Just would point out that William died in 1917. So, there may have been one or more children born between 1911 and 1917. I just haven't looked for any as yet.
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Just would point out that William died in 1917. So, there may have been one or more children born between 1911 and 1917. I just haven't looked for any as yet.
There were certainly no children born up till 1916- naturally I checked civil registrations BEFORE I posted details earlier.
I counted 11 children (so far)- suspect both William & Eliza born between 1862-1863-
1. William (c1863 Coleraine-1917)- 5 children
2. Annie Margaret (c1865-1871)
3. Robert John (1867-1874)
4. Son (1870-1870)
5. Annie Margaret (1870-1870)
6. Lizzie/Eliza (c1871?) m. Archibald Hamill- no children found
7. Andrew (1871-1871)
8. James (1872)- 8 children
9. Robert (1875-1961)- haven't looked into his descendants but they are already known to Zachtyr
10. Andrew (1877-1908)- 2 children
11. Matilda (1880)
Note- ones crossed out died young, ones in bold survived childhood (no details for Matilda yet but no obvious death in Ireland)
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I forgot to say that an investigator for me a few years ago said James McAloney and wife Mary Ann McAloney(nee Carson) and Andrew McAloney son, golf caddy and William McAloney g randson born in Antrim aged 11) lived at 39 Causeway Street Portrush. I have always gone to Portrush for holiday with my parents when younger and we stayed in Causeway Street with a landlady who had a brother a famous golfer and as my father's father was a golf caddy they talked a lot about golf.
This information was in the census of 1901. Also stated that marriage between Jane McAloney and James McNerlane took place on 18th August 1913. So it seems it is almost impossible to believe anything now I think.
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For Zacktyr,
Robert Carson McAloney was my 1st gg through his daughter, Adelaide my grandmother. I would love to connect with you. I live in Peterborough, Ontario.
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Welcome to Rootschat, africanlove :)
Hopefully Zacktyr will soon see your post and then reply. In the mean time if you make another post here you'll be able to use PM (Personal Message) system to exchange email addresses, recent family details or other personal information which you aren't allowed to post on the boards.
I do also have a lot of interesting information on the Cloyfin McAloneys but Zacktyr is likely to have information on your mutual relatives.
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Since I am new here, I don't know how to pm somebody. I am also in touch with Susan, whose aunt married Robert Carson McAloney- he's my 1st gg through his daughter, Adelaide. I would love to connect with more living relatives of Robert. I live in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada.
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PMs are explained here but I think you usually can't see the option until you've made a few posts-
http://www.rootschat.com/help/profile05.php
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Hi Africanlove,
Surprise! We already are in contact. Robert Carson McAloney was my uncle. I've sent you a PM.