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Cradock, or Caradock known as Creddy Price married to Catherine Rafferty from Waterford Ireland settled in Cadoxton in the 1920s i do believe
They had 3 daughters
Ivy who married Hopey Lee
Emily who married Albert Holland
Josephine known as Pearly married to a greek roma Michael Evon ( Yvonavich
There was also a son who died as a young boy, I do not know his name or any thing about him
Creddy died in 1963 and his vardon was burnt on the common in Cadoxton
Any info, pictures would be very much appreciated, extremely hard to get paper work or census
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Was Cradock Price married twice or is this father and son?
1/CARADOCK PRICE, Wales, Glamorganshire,1910, CARDIFF, England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Spouses : possibility of 2 : Lucy Thomas or Amelia Yeandle
2/CARADOCK PRICE, Wales, Glamorganshire, 1931,CARDIFF, Spouse RAFFERTY, England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Could he also be Caradog Price? Sometimes?
Caradog Price Snr and Caradog Price Junior being fined for lighting fires beside the highway - 3rd September 1915
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3886244/3886250/57/
1893 Caradog Price and his manslaughter case (Caradog Price Snr?)
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3350591/3350594/37/Price%20%20gipsy%20neath%20manslaughter
"Josiah Price, a gipsy, was brought up at Merthyr Police-court to-day charged with causing grievous bodily harm to Caradog Price, his cousin, who is also a member of the Romany tribe" 11th June 1906
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4164185/4164187/32/gipsy%20price%20neath
Was Caradock Price's brother named Ivor Price and he served in the military?
His enlistment papers could be on ancestry?
Possibly your Ivor Price? - I'd check this man out further - parents, now resident in London, hails from Builth
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4093500/4093502/21/Ivor%20Price
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Here is a photo of Michael Evon
http://travellerstimes.org.uk/Photos/Michael-Evon.aspx
More photographs, yours?
http://www.gypsyjib.com/photos/album/167222/PRICE/EVON/;jsessionid=F13B5DD1C203181385623D26A6E6177D?offset=0&maxResults=50
Carradock and Catherine Price
http://www.valleystream.co.uk/romany-price.htm
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"Old Gypsy Price - A gipsy woman by the name of Aschella Price born at Shrewsburry, 103 years ago was seen at Seven Sisters one day this week" 2nd August 1919
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3979953/3979960/84/cadoxton%20price%20gipsy
Her husbands death - 5th March 1909
"GIPSY KILLED NEAR GARNANT RUN OVER ON THE RAILWAY LINE. On Saturday night, whilst an old gipsy named Price was walking on the railway line between Brynamman and Garnant he was knocked down by a. O.W.R. train and killed. Deceased was aged 92 years. His forehead and the side of his face were gashed and one leg broken in several places. The body lies at the Brynamman Hotel"
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3418094/3418101/173/cadoxton%20price%20gipsy
Another Price/Slender article (relatives?) 27th December 1907
Caradog Price, Hope Price, and Thomas Slender, Accused of cutting wood from a fence to make pegs without permission
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3874955/3874961/53/
Ashella Price parents Caradoc Price b 1845 & Emily Slender b 1839? (maybe not the same Aschella as the 103 year old one?) Noah Othea Burton married Ashella Price b 1873 Pembrokeshire Wales, parents Caradoc Price b 1845 * Emily Slender b 1839
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Hallo whiteout7, thank you for all this info. Yes the name can be Caragog, Cradock and in our village in Cadoxton he was known as Creddy. His fathers name was the same...and he did have a brother named Ivor but doubt it would have been the one mentioned in this article.
I do not know my great grans name,,,she was known as Granny Price. Slender does ring a bell.
Regarding Valley Stream and Travellers Times, it was myself who put the photos and info there:-)
I have been trying to find out about a severe accident my mother was in as a child in Barry, her name was Pearly Price (Josephine) as a child she was run over by a drunken driver and received severe head injuries, mum had long plaits down her back and the got caught in the back of the vehicle that hit her and she was dragged for a long while. Her whole head skull was replaced with metal. She suffered for most of her adult life.
Below is a picture of my mother Pearly with my father Michael Evon when they were living in Africa
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Cornishman Cornwall, England
16 May 1923
GYPSY CENTENARIAN. WOMAN WHO LIVED FOR 107 YEARS WITHOUT AN ILLNESS. A gypsy woman, Askella Price, who died at the age of 107, was buried at Cardiff Thursday. She was the widow of Josiah Price, a member a gypsy family, vvho lived for many years in a caravan.
(So Askella married to Josiah Price was a relative of Caradog Price)
"Josiah Price, a gipsy, was brought up at Merthyr Police-court to-day charged with causing grievous bodily harm to Caradog Price, his cousin, who is also a member of the Romany tribe" 11th June 1906
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4164185/4164187/32/gipsy%20price%20neath
*Meidrim parish church baptisms
1856 22 May
Henrietta Price dau Josiah and Ashella Price, Blwchygwynt Road, Strolling Razor grinder
IGI
Name Josiah Price
Gender Male
Christening Date 07 Aug 1866
Christening Place LLANTRISANT,GLAMORGAN,WALES
Father's Name Josiah Price
Mother's Name Ashella
and there is your connection with Eric Trudgill's work
Fiance Price married Caradog Price son of Caradog and Emily Price.
http://www.gypsygenealogy.com/showarticle.php?article_id=189
And yes her name was actually Fiance Price marrying a Caradog Price son of Caradog Price and Emily Slender.
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Hi Whiteout7, yes this must all be my family on my mums side...I wish i could copy and paste the article, I have tried a few times but as soon as I highlight the article the colour changes and when it pastes it is so faint I cannot read it. It will not C&P in black and white.
Thank you for taking such an interest.:-)
The photo shows my gran and grandad with 2 of their daughters.
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My g/g/grandfather was Caradoc Price married to Emily Slender. I believe his father was Sampson Price born about 1822. Is there anyone else from the same family? Does anyone have any details re the Slender family? I only know Emily.
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Emily Slender was the daughter of Nicholas Slender who at my recent discovery was the sister to my great great grandmother boba slender who immigrated to America along with most of her siblings and I’m not sure why Emily never came with them they were welsh romanichal and her mother was Frances Shaw my great grandmother was a slender is love to connect with you it appears that we are kin
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I also recently discovered that her father Nicholas slender passsed away in 1871 and is buried at st Mary’s Church cardigan Cardiganshire wales uk they were romanichal any info you can give me would be appreciated we’re the slenders a part of the price family ?
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Ah so Emily Slender would be my granddads first wife, do you know if she had any children with my Granddad Caradoc (Creddy) as he was known. He married a Catherine Rafferty a traveller from Ireland who was my nana. If you check out a FB page called Friends with romany gypsies you might get more info.:)
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Hi
i think your Creddie Price is the son of my Caradoc P as the dates don't match. My Caradoc was born c 1845 & died 28/12/23 & was married to Emily Slender. Does that help you?
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Hi
my Emily Slender (c1840-12/2/27) was married to Caradoc Price. They are both buried in Cowbridge.
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Hi im new to all of this so bare with me.
Ive started doing my family tree recently and discovered that my nan Edith Price came from a travelling family. Im not sure as to how she became living in a house or when etc as ive not done the research as yet. Ive always thought she looked like a gypsy though, even as a young child I had the same incline don't quite know why or how.
My nans father was named Arthur Henry Price.If anyone has any information please get in touch via this site.
thanks
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Hallo and welcome, if i can suggest if you are on FB. not advertising FB. but there is a page called Friends of Romany Heritage....lots of Price's on that page and lots of roam info. Hope you can read this. Good luck.
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Nicholas Slender probably related to the Thomas Slender camping with him
"Encamping on the Turnpike Road.Nicholas Slender and Thomas Slender were summoned for encamping on the turnpike road leading from Bangor to Conway. The police-officer stated that the two defendants were hawkers and had caravans, which they left on the road in question on the night of the 23rd neither of them appeared in answer to the summons. Nicholas Slender was fined £1 and 9s. costs, and "Thomas Slender 5s. and 9s."
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4511778/4511784/31/
Another Article calls Nicholas Slender a native of Croydon, London - where was he born c 1833? Both Nicholas and Thomas appear to have been brush hawkers
Was there another family member Righteous Slender as he appears with Thomas Slender.
A Righteous Slender whose mother was Mary Slender.
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Looks like Righteous Slender was born in 1880 in Wantage Berkshire and his mothers maiden name was BUTLER.
So Perhaps Righteous Slenders mother is Mary Butler? Father maybe Thomas Slender?
A later Righteous Slender born 1909 was the Son of Nicholas Slender born 1877 and Alice Scarrett.
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Emily Slender was the daughter of Nicholas Slender who at my recent discovery was the sister to my great great grandmother boba slender who immigrated to America along with most of her siblings and I’m not sure why Emily never came with them they were welsh romanichal and her mother was Frances Shaw my great grandmother was a slender is love to connect with you it appears that we are kin
One for you:
Bethorine Slender registered 1864 S Quarter in Aberystwyth (Wales) mothers maiden name Shaw
Bethorine Slender died in 1890 in Glasgow, Father Nicholas Slender and mother Frances Shaw.
Her widowers name was Charles Summersby.
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I also recently discovered that her father Nicholas slender passsed away in 1871 and is buried at st Mary’s Church cardigan Cardiganshire wales uk they were romanichal any info you can give me would be appreciated we’re the slenders a part of the price family ?
Nicholas Slender who died in 1871 is listed as being born in 1833
So the Emily Slender born about 1839/40 married to Caradoc Price would have maybe been his sister?
So there must have been two Emily Slenders as well!
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1870 Emily Slender living the gipsy life at Risca, Wales. (Welsh Newspapers)
She says she is a single woman in camp but has a man. This might just mean her husband was away at the time.
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Ah so Emily Slender would be my granddads first wife, do you know if she had any children with my Granddad Caradoc (Creddy) as he was known. He married a Catherine Rafferty a traveller from Ireland who was my nana. If you check out a FB page called Friends with romany gypsies you might get more info.:)
Emily Slender I think was your gr.grandad Caradoc Price's wife not the Caradoc married to Catherine Rafferty?
Possible but unproven Children of Caradoc Price Snr and Emily Slender:
1/Josiah Price baptised in 1884 in Wenvoe, Glamorgan, Father Caradoc Mother Emily Occupation Gypsy
2/Dorcas Price (female) baptised in 1877 in St. Georges, Glamorgan (batised other places as well) Father Caradog Mother Emily Occupation Gypsy
3/Mary Price baptised in 1886 in Porthkerry, Glamorgan Father Caradoc Mother Emily Occupation Basket maker, no fixed abode.
None of these baptisms from Family search match the IGI very well, so their ages could well be out. Very Interesting that they baptised Dorcas Price more than once too! Porthkerry is near Barry? There is also a 1877 Darkie Price baptism in Llanblethian (near cowbridge) to Caradoc and Emily Price, think this was Dorcas again. Dorcas in 1877 again at Michaelston-Y-Fedw (near Risca?)
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from family folklaw Emily Price nee Slender had at least 2 sons Wisdom & Righteous which fits the Righteous you know about but he'd have to be born before 1880 lets say to be Emily's & Caradoc's. What do you think?
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Hi, I am posting some of these names with other relatives and roma to see if they can put them together? It's not an easy thing to do. I do have a tree on Ancestry under Price, still trying to add to it. Thats how I found my grandddad was married twice.But no info if he had children, I assume he did with his 1st wife.
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from family folklaw Emily Price nee Slender had at least 2 sons Wisdom & Righteous which fits the Righteous you know about but he'd have to be born before 1880 lets say to be Emily's & Caradoc's. What do you think?
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from family folklaw Emily Price nee Slender had at least 2 sons Wisdom & Righteous which fits the Righteous you know about but he'd have to be born before 1880 lets say to be Emily's & Caradoc's. What do you think?
I think that we should have a hunt for some type of Baptisms, the problem is getting the mothers name as Emily Slender. This family reuses names so maybe? So far I haven't found a Wisdom Price or Righteous Price baptism with Slender as the mother in family search or the GRO.
Here is a Righteous Price born 1906 to a mother maiden named Price.
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With Family groups sticking togeather I cam across a Sophia Slender wife of William Slender (born 1838, not known where) defending a Righteous Slender (married aged 18 years, to who? Wife also 18 years old?) born in 1880 from arrest in 1898.
I think William Slender (born 1838) could be the brother of Emily and Nicholas Slender (age wise)
Looking at Sophia Slender's children in the GRO she was maiden named Butler
Children of Sophia Butler and William Slender:
Corolenia Slender registered 1883 Westbury on Severn born Forest Dean, Gloucestershire
Lily Slender registered 1891 Westbury on Severn born Forest Dean, Gloucestershire
William Slender (Billy) registered 1876 in Chepstow born Not Known, Monmouthshire
Tom Slender registered 1886 born in Billericay, Essex
Trayton Slender registered 1888 at Blything born in Yoxford, Suffolk
Roger Slender (Righteous Slender??) registered 1880, Wantage, Berkshire.
"FUNERAL OF AGED GIPSY
cortege approached, and other tributes of respect were shown en route. The principal mourners were: Messrs. William and Trayton Slender (sons). Mrs. Minnie Williams, Miss Nora Slender. Mrs. Carolina Brown. Miss Sinfy (Sophia?) Slender, and Mrs. Lily Barham (daughters)" May 1934 Norfolk <-----One of the parents passing. The death certificate may or may not show William or Sophia Slenders parents.
If one of you joins https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ you get three free pages and could read the whole article.
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Traiton Slender dies in 1872 aged just 19 in Haverford West Parish in Pembrokeshire.
This is where I think Cradoc Price and Emily Slender's son Josiah Price might have been registered as born in 1884 in the GRO Haverford West Pembrokeshire, although the record has the maiden name space blank.
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hmm!
Caradoe Price born 1845 Maesteg, Glamorgan
Emily Price born 1846 London, Kent
Hope Price born 1890 in Narbeth, Pembrokeshire.
So Emily Slenders birth county was Kent?
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Hi Whiteout and every one else who has offered info re: Price family, thank you all so much for researching for me, I do appreciate this. Living in Canada it is not easy to find out any info.
Form what I gather yes my granddad Creddy, Carago, Cradoc) was married twice, the first to Emily Slender then to my gran Catherine Rafferty
My granddad had a brother named Ivor
My granddmother left my grandfather about 1951 and her partner that she spent the rest of her life with was one called Aldy Ryles or Riley not sure how he spelt that.
My grandddad died in 1963 in Cadoxton
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My great grandfather was 2 thumbs Henry Price. He was married to Big Emily. They stopped in Pontypool, Cardiff, Swansea and throughout Wales. They had a large family. Their sons were: Harry, Rocky, Oldy, Nailly, and Henry. Their daughters were: Eenie, Bitty, Tilly, Nora and Lucy.
2 thumbs Henry is believed to have a sister called Rose and i would like to find out if he had any more brothers or sisters and who they were married into.
His last child, Lucy died in 2002. She was 87 when she died. She also had a large family. She was married to Ben Price.
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Hallo Fred, your on here too:)) There's a good page I am on in FB called Friends of Romany Gypsies, lots of people on it Fred.
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My great grandfather was 2 thumbs Henry Price. He was married to Big Emily. They stopped in Pontypool, Cardiff, Swansea and throughout Wales. They had a large family. Their sons were: Harry, Rocky, Oldy, Nailly, and Henry. Their daughters were: Eenie, Bitty, Tilly, Nora and Lucy.
2 thumbs Henry is believed to have a sister called Rose and i would like to find out if he had any more brothers or sisters and who they were married into.
His last child, Lucy died in 2002. She was 87 when she died. She also had a large family. She was married to Ben Price.
I wonder what Big Emily's maiden name was?
There was a Lucy Ann Price born in 1915 in Pontypridd. This lady could be about the right age to be your Lucy Price.
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My great grandfather was 2 thumbs Henry Price. He was married to Big Emily. They stopped in Pontypool, Cardiff, Swansea and throughout Wales. They had a large family. Their sons were: Harry, Rocky, Oldy, Nailly, and Henry. Their daughters were: Eenie, Bitty, Tilly, Nora and Lucy.
2 thumbs Henry is believed to have a sister called Rose and i would like to find out if he had any more brothers or sisters and who they were married into.
His last child, Lucy died in 2002. She was 87 when she died. She also had a large family. She was married to Ben Price.
Have you found out anything else about this family Tilly is my great grandmother
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We're trying to investigate my daughter's Romany roots and we know she is a Price descendant from her DNA. We know her grandmother was called Mona Mary Price, born in 1933 - and know she must be related to Caradock somewhere along the way but can't link her to any of the extensive Price family - and we can't pin point her birth records or in the 1939 register. So would be grateful for any clues or help anyone could give us!
We know Mona married Ronald Rogers in Durham in 1952 but spent time in South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire - they had 6 children. In 1970, Mona was no longer with Ronald but was living with a Raymond John Smith in Chesterfield - she had two children with Raymond a girl and a boy who were later adopted when she and Raymond split up.
Mona and Ronald's 8 children went to live with their father in Barnsley.
Mona was described as small, with a beautiful complexion, brown eyes and brown curly hair. She had a pleasant personality. Her mother was travelling in Ireland - but we know very little about her.
In approx 1972 Mona moved to a traveller site in Darnall, Sheffield. She was living in caravan with a young child and was making a living by selling lace and pegs. This is where the trail ends.
There are few Mona Price's born in 1933 - but none of them look as if they were born into a travelling family. We don't even know where in the UK she was born - or she could have been born in Ireland?
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Hallo Jilly would you mind if I posted your message on a Roma page on FB so much more info there?
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Hi CWTCH
Thank you so much for replying.
I would be really grateful if you would do that - I am a member of a few of Romany boards on FB - ‘I Descend From Romany Gypsies’, ‘Romany Ancestry Uk‘ and ‘Friends who like Romany Heritage’, although I’ve only posted about Mona on I Descend from Romany Gypsies so far.
Thank you once again
Jilly
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Hi I was going to post this on Friends Who Like Romany Heritage but you have already posted there. Not sure what else to suggest to you...sorry
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Thank you for trying :)
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Your welcome Jilly good luck
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Trying to find out information for my mum. We have found out that her grandfathers name was Righteous Slender and he was a great horse trainer and his wife was called Bazziane (apologies may have spelling incorrect) .... Righteous was born 1890 I think. Any help would be appreciated Thank you
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Fred price... You messaged about two thumbs Henry price. I'm Lucy an Ben prices granddaughter. My mother was ashella price. I have two thumbs on one hand. He had them on both. My mother was always very proud of that. I would like to catch up. Martina. X .
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Hello Martina,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
You started off a new topic that does not notify the member of a new reply, I am just trying to find the correct topic so I can attach the reply for you. Topics now merged
Regards
Sarah
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There is a photograph of an old Emily Slender at Valley Stream:
http://www.valleystream.co.uk/romany-welsh%20.htm (http://www.valleystream.co.uk/romany-welsh%20.htm)
I could not find anything there written about the Slender family.
Perrin Brooke Williams/Lee was the son of Samson and Gravalina (Lee) Williams, who married Darkless Slender, who on Romany Genes is Darklis Lee. Also, on Romany Genes and listed as Perum Scamp, Perrin Brooke Williams, was from the Scamp lineage, who took Williams when arriving in Wales. The Romany Genes website is presently not available.
Baptism: Drewie Ellis Lea . 1904 . St. Catherine Pontypridd . Father: Perrin Brooks . Basket Maker . Mother: Darkless . The Van Merthyr Rd
Marriage: Perrin Brooks W Lee . Darkless Slender . Apr-Jun 1899 . Pontypridd . Volume 11A . Page 806 It has to be the Perrin Brooke above; and also confirms Perum Scamp is Perrin Brooke Williams. He would be 27 and must have added Lee, may be from Gravalina his mother being a Lee, or from Darkless as on Romany Genes she is a Lee. If Darkless was a Lee, did she marry a Slender, or simply took the name? The name changes can be too much.
Is there any further information regarding Darkless Slender/Lee/Williams?
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It wasn't that Emily Slender who married into the Price's. Emily Slender, daughter of Nicholas Thomas Slender, married a Robert Stevenson, she died in 1894 in Glasgow. I think the Emily who married Craddock, may have been the daughter of Thomas Slender.
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Hello all am helping a friend build their tree and understand DNA matches
His mother b1940 Newport Wales had PRICE
As mmn on records .
..I'm sending off for birth certificate now
DNA indicates a match to descendants of caradoc PRICE & SLENDER too match to a ggrandchild of Bertie FUDGE.+ Rosie PRICE
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*Another descendant of cradddock & Phiance PRICE
Who are probably my friends great grandparents
.father was JOHNSON from Africa ( DNA indicates Benin toga + ivory coast but possibly Ghana) .she was a middle child but don't know how many brothers or sisters
I've been looking at records and found that a few of the children were baptised more than once ...I wonder what the reason could be
I can t find a marriage that fits
Jilly can you contact me to see if your daughter is. A DNA match . There are photos on several of the ancestry tree profiles now too.
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Re Reply 19
Whiteout
According to 1911 census
Emily SLENDER + Craddock PRICE had been married 40 years and had had 10 children
1 had died and Hope age 21 also a basket + peg maker is living with them