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ANDERSON, William Henry Esq born c1783 - died 1819 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire
We believe William Henry ANDERSON was born c1783 in Udale/Udoll, Cromarty, Scotland.
Certain documents indicate his father was Alexander ANDERSON of Udale, Cromarty, Scotland.
His WILL states the mother of his 2 sons to have been Sarah ANDERSON otherwise LEWIS otherwise NOBLE (or NOBBS – hard to decipher the old writing).
His 2 known sons are:
1. Alexander ANDERSON born 27 June 1810 Islington, Middlesex baptised 4 December 1810 (PR held)
2. William Henry ANDERSON born 10 June 18110 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire baptised 18 August 1811 (PR held)
He wrote his WILL 15 October 1817 in London, (stating his abode as Cheshunt, Herts.) leaving everything to his 2 sons Alexander and William Henry. If either or both of the sons died before reaching age 21 the beneficiaries were to be his dear sisters Caroline and Emily.
He stated his 2 sons were being schooled in London at Miss Browell's School, Kentish Town, UK. He also appointed 3 gentlemen as Legal Guardians and Executors until they reached their majority.
There was no mention of the mother of his 2 sons apart from naming her as their mother.
He also mentions an Uncle Wm. ANDERSON of Russell Square.
William Henry ANDERSON Esq. died 01 May 1819 Goffs Oak Cottage, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire. (PR held)
He was buried 7 May 1819 St Mary the Virgin Anglican Church, Parish of Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, UK. (PR held)
His occupation was – gentleman. From details in his WILL it seems he was a man of substance.
But – we know nothing more...
We have not located a BIRTH or BAPTISM for him either in Scotland or England.
We have not located a MARRIAGE for him either in Scotland or England.
We have not located a DEATH for his wife Sarah either in Scotland or England.
He obviously was connected to Cheshunt for his younger son to be born there, to state it as his home in his WILL written in 1817, and to have died and been buried there.
From the births of his 2 sons it appears he may have lived in 2 locations – London and Cheshunt. Possibly 3 if we include the Cromarty, Scotland connection.
Can anyone tell me anything more about this family...?
Thanks in anticipation.
Barb in Australia
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Hello all. You certainly got more detail from the will than myself. All I can add is that Alexander the eldest of the two boys was bap in Isington Middlesex in 1810 so one assumes the family was living Middlesex before moving to Goffs Oak near Cheshunt in Hertfordshire.This being my Family I have spent many hours looking for more information .I have a burgess ticket dated 1826 Alexander b1810 it states he was from London and was a student at the academy of Fortrose.One assumes that William Henry the younger son also attended the academy.With the recent information from this site I can understand the Cromarty Fortrose connection. William Henry and Alexander were 8 and 9 years old at time of their father death. One must remember that the boys had aunts living in Cromarty. I have asked may family historians about the absence of any financial support for Sarah Noble and was advised that was not uncommon for that time. I at one time thought I had a marriage for Sarah and William Henry 11 may 1801 this would have William Henry 18 years old the marriage is to Sarah Lewis so I assume she possibly married previously this marriage took place in Durham England I could not find anything else.Can not locate a birth spent many hours. Now it is stated he is born Scotland., still no success . The only other thought I had was to try and locate the Will for William Henry that dealt with the property at Goffs Oak. sorry I had little information to offer. bye Ellecat
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Hi ellecat
Good to know there is someone else out there looking into this family ☺
We are beginning to think we'll never find the answers. ..
What information did you get from the "burgess ticket"..? Alexander would have been 16 then.
We wondered what became of him (and his brother of course ) between the school in Kentish town and when he married.
Barb in Australia
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Hertfordshire Names Online - www.hertsdirect.org
https://www.hertsdirect.org/ufs/ufsmain?ebz=1_1463377498102&ebd=0
There are 2 entries relating to William Henry Anderson d. 1819
1 relating to his death notice
Title: Died : Death notice of William Henry Anderson
Source: County Chronicle page 3
Publication date: 11 May 1819
Subjects: People
Places: Goffs Oak
Personal names: William Henry Anderson
1 relating to the sales by auction: The household furniture
Title: Sales by auction : The household furniture
Source: County Chronicle page 3
Publication date: 13 July 1819
Subjects: Auctions; Furniture
Places: Goffs Oak
Personal names: William Henry Anderson
These articles can be purchased online 10 GBP per article.
Who knows what might be in the articles....?
Barb
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Hello to All The burgess ticket did not produce allot of information there is no information available from Fortrose wrote several letters.Burgesses are usually the sons of Burgess remembering Alexanders Father is deceased I often wondered who encouraged this in a young lad, possibly the Mackenzies Alexanders aunt Justina was deceased prior to the 1826 burgess ticket but remember her husband was JOHN MACKENZIE OF BAYFIELD appears to come from a strong Jacobite family in Scottish history. There is mention of ALEXANDER MACKENZIE on ticket and ALEXANDER attended Fortrose Accademy [ no records there either] This might help others.
Alexander Anderson b 1755c d 1809 m Jane d 1811 had the following children
Ann b about 1785 Scotland
Justina b about 1788 in Udoll
Maragret B 1792 in Cromartyshire
Caroline b 21 jan 1797 Cromartyshire
Emily b about 1800 cromartyshire
Jane no details and William Henry b 1783 Scotland bye Ellecat
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Hello again barb could you possibly give me the date of birth of your gg grand mother Emily
Augusta Wood Anderson I could not find her birth. I have her marriage to William Anderson
b1853 in Guernsey but I know very little of the pair , some suggestion that he was at sea.
This might interest all.
It appears that we have two families with the same names given to their children.At Heldon Church Wm Mackenzie esq third dragoons son of the late John Mackenzie esq Bayfield of north Britain to Justina third daughter of William Anderson esq Russell Square.
sourse THE LONDON MAGAZINE vol 6 This could be Uncle WILLIAM ANDERSON on William Henrys Will. This could be a brother of John Mackenzie who married Alexander of Udoll s daughter Justina
marring William Anderson of Udoll s daughter Justina this is complex. I currently think that ALEXANDER ANDERSON of UDOLL may be the brother of Justina Anderson b1749 Udoll and WILLIAM, needs more work. There was two news paper snippets one mentioned Highwood Hill there is a connection there can anyone comment need sum rest bye Ellecat.
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Hello again ellecat
I have been posting on behalf of my cousin who is new to this, so while I am related to her it is not on the Anderson line.
She has shown me the replies she has received so far on this forum.
To answer your question re Emily Augusta - her birth was regd. in NSW under her mother's married name of WHITEHEAD (she was a widow) & also under her mother's maiden name of WOOD.
3448/1857 WHITEHEAD EMILY W A MARY A PADDINGTON
3448/1857 WOOD EMILY W A MARY A PADDINGTON
In 1862 Mary Ann WHITEHEAD married William Henry ANDERSON (b. 1811 Cheshunt, Herts.)
We believe he was the father of Emily prior to his marriage to her mother Mary Ann.
It appears Emily's husband William (b. 1851 St Peter's Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands) (son of Alexander Anderson & Mary Ann Taylor, younger brother of Alexander Anderson born 1833 St Pancras, Mdsx.) was actually her cousin and to date we do not have any evidence that they had issue although this situation is legal in Australia.
Various certificates have not helped to clarify the question of issue as information varies from one document to another.
Emily Augusta Wood Anderson ANDERSON married Charles Durham SCATES in 1898 although it appears she was still married to William ANDERSON. She died in 1928 and he almost immediately (at age 77) remarried. It appears he was possibly in a relationship and waited until he was free to marry legally. He died not long after in 1930 leaving his new wife as his beneficiary.
It seems he was a clerk/accountant etc., possibly the "at sea" refers to William Henry (b. 1811) who was a Sea Captain/Mariner.
We discussed your thoughts on various different possibilities tonight and yes, more to think about....
I also have seen the entries for Highwood Hill and wondered what, if any, might be the connection.
I suggested my cousin contact you via PM to compare what you both have and see where you might be able to go from here.
Barb
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Hi again Ellecat.
I‘ve been talking to my cousin Barb (our family ancestry sleuth) who has been helping me greatly in our search for the missing links. I can see from her last chat with you that she has filled in most of the details. I have just placed a message on the Cromarty-Ross page seeking some clarity re the early Anderson’s to see if we can find the link between Rev Hugh Anderson (b. about 1633) and our Alexander Anderson ( d 1809.) It would be less confusing if they didn’t all have the same names!!!
Back to William Henry Anderson d.1819. I was wondering if his wife Sarah had died before he made his will. That may be why she was not mentioned as a beneficiary. We have not come up with a death cert as yet. If Alexander and William Henry were at The Academy of Fortrose or living with their uncle they may show up in a census. Have you already checked this?
We are not sure where Isabelle (Isabella) fits into the picture as William Henry Anderson’s (d.1873) death cert lists children of his marriage to Mary Ann Whitehead as 1 female living, 1 female deceased. My g. grandmother was Emily Augusta Wood Anderson Anderson their daughter. Do you have any information re Isabelle. Emily Augusta and William Anderson had 3 children - Myrtle, Muriel and my grandfather Crawford Eric Leslie Anderson. We have no record of C.E.L.s birth other than that he was born in Berwick Vic. We have also been searching for any records in relation to Crawford Allen. (very allusive)He is given as C.E.L’s father, on C.E.L’s marriage cert.(Crawford Allen, known as Anderson) I have spoken to and emailed Myrtle’s daughter. She was very interested in what we had uncovered but had no extra info. Confused? So are we!!! Bedtime.
Thanks Jillian
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Justina, wife of John Mackenzie of Bayfield, was the daughter of William of Udol, but sister of William of Highwood House, a Regency mansion at Highwood Hill.
The Udol Estate came into the hands of the Andersons in 1687 via The Viscount Tarbat/1st Earl of Cromarty.
The House of Udol was quite grand and at times had as many as 9 live in servants. It was sold to a Captain Sutherland in 1827 and later was burned down, (accidentally I presume). It was on the site of present day Udale Farm,and had marvellous views over Udale Bay.
Justina's headstone reads:-
Erected by John Mackenzie Esq. to the memory of his much loved wife Justina, daughter of William Anderson of Udol, who departed this life 10th day of June 1797 aged 37 years.The most dutiful daughter and affectionate wife and mother who lived the life of unaffected piety, benevolence and charity, and died in the greatest firmness and resignation leaving a disconsolate husband and family to bewail their heavy loss. Beloved by her neighbour's and much lamented by the poor.
I have researched the Andersons as far back as Gilbert Anderson b. 1597 and my husband is a direct descendant of Gilbert.
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Hello whirlybird and many thanks for that unexpected and most welcome information.
Just in case notification of your post only came to me I have forwarded it on to JillAnd who is the direct descendant of this line.
We'll both take great pleasure in following up your details and in seeing what more we can find in the way of a connection - maybe we are getting close :)
It appears as if JillAnd could possibly have a relative :)
Is it possible that you are able to verify via your research (which sounds an incredible feat as it is SO confusing) that the Alexander Anderson (father of William Henry who died 1819 Cheshunt, Herts.) is a direct descendant of Gilbert Anderson...?
If so that would be amazing/fantastic/wonderful :)
Looking forward to staying in contact and sorting out the Williams and Alexanders.
Barb in Australia
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Hello again,
A bit more info for you
William Anderson(1) who married Ann Davidson in 1757 had three children.
William(2) of Highwood House, Jane who married Alexander of Udol, and Justina who married John Mackenzie of Bayfield. Alexander could not have been brother to William (2) as he was born 1755 - two years before the marriage of his supposed parents.
It was more common in those days to marry within the family, and it certainly looks as if Alexander and Jane were connected by blood. He might have been her cousin, or even her uncle.
William(1) was a surgeon in the army and in 1761 went abroad for 3 years on the "Kings Service" , leaving the Udol estate in the care of his brother-in-law Henry Davidson. The Davidsons were an extremely powerful and influential family whose family seat was Tulloch Castle. Udol was legally transferred into Davidsons care for the price of "1 Scottish Penny" and honourably handed back upon Williams safe return from war, in spite of a lengthy Court Case brought by Sir John Gordon of Invergordon, who petitioned strongly for a different outcome.
William(2) of Highwood was a very wealthy Sugar Broker, sugar being the commodity that oil is today. He traded with the West Indies and I have no evidence that he was in any way connected to the slave trade. The Davidsons, however, were heavily involved.
William(2)'s children have already been listed on this site. His youngest son Robert Milligan is the line that my husband is descended from.
He married Louisa Webber, who according to Anthony Adolph, renowned genealogist, has every possibility of being descended from Charles 11.
I may post more info eventually, but I'm a bit new to this site and finding it tricky to find my way about.
I have a photo of Robart Milligan Anderson if anyone is interested. I loved the picture of Alexander in his silk embroidered waistcoat.
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The excellent ROLLCO site http://www.londonroll.org has the apprenticeship details for Alexander Anderson, son of the late William Henry Anderson sugar broker of 6 Mincing Lane, London, to fellow broker William Scott of 73 Gt Tower St, 23 Jan 1827 within the Drapers' Company (there was no livery company for any part of the sugar trade).
Lowndes directories put the Anderson offices at 31/32 (Gt) Tower St from 1790, but by 1815 it was at 6 Mincing Lane as above. Still there in 1865.
There's no quick way of me seeing the connections (if any) between the Anderson sugar brokers in London and the later ones in Scotland, particularly Greenock, however you might find some useful info on my database at www.mawer.clara.net/sugaraa.html .
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Hello sugarbakers - that will be amazing new information if I can only find it....
All we have for William Henry Anderson - d1819 Cheshunt, Herts. - was "Gentleman", so I hope we are talking about the same man, and his oldest son Alexander b. 1810 Islington.....?
Yes, if I could only find the apprenticeship record :-\
I have searched using DRAPERS - ANDERSON - 1820-1870 - APPRENTICE
with no result.
I must be doing something wrong?
H-E-L-P
Barb in Australia
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Yes, Barb, I had the same trouble. Use Drapers - Anderson - 1827.
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Thank you both Whirlybird and Sugarbaker for your help and interest. As my cousin Barb has said we are really grateful. I am new to the Ancestry Searching and Barb is so experienced and good at knowing all the ins and outs. The Scottish naming system certainly makes things confusing and the fact that they seem to marry their relatives doesn’t help! We have also found this with an Anderson relative who married her cousin ( we think) in Aust in1873. The marriage was performed by the infamous Rev Fullerton and no details of parents were recorded. I will need some time to digest the new information. So much of the information you find can be contradictory and misleading and we make sure we have DP. I just wish I had asked my Dad lots of questions. I can remember when I was about 10 my dad threw out some rather large oil paintings in large frames of very serious looking gentlemen. Why! Oh Why! From memory the paintings were rather dark. He had them stored in the garage roof and they had apparently been damaged by damp and maybe mice. I presume he got them from his dad (Crawford Eric Lesley Anderson)and they may have not been in good condition when he got them. These in turn would have come from his grandmother Emily Augusta Wood Anderson. It was from her that the photo of the painting of Alexander of Udol ,that we posted on the site , came. It’s interesting you make reference to Charles 11. I can remember my dad saying that his family was related to Bonnie Prince Charlie -we always joked that it was probably on the wrong side of the bed clothes!! You never know we may have a connection too. I was thinking that it was probably just through association during the Scottish wars.
Any info you have re WH Anderson d 1819 would help us fill in a gap as we have little info on him
Thanks Jillian (Bris Australia )
It seems that Barb has just replied as well.
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Have you looked at "Emily Anderson, Little Red Riding Hood" on Google.
It is a painting of Emily Anderson, daughter of William of Highwood, painted by Thomas Lawrence. You might find family resemblances. This painting is now in a Museum and Art Gallery in California.
What a pity about the paintings your Dad threw out; I've always thought there must have been some paintings that adorned the Company Offices in Mincing Lane...I wonder?
Also another item of interest is "The Anderson Pontifical" belonging to an earlier Hugh Anderson, a copy of which is now in The British Library. You can Google that too.
I think my husband and JillAnd must be related albeit rather distantly.
Still turning! Whirlybird.
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Hi Whirlybird.
Thank you, yes I had seen the Little Red Riding Hood painting but did not know the connection to the family. The only family resemblance to the painting is the fact that I named my daughter Emily. I knew it was a family name (my dad’s sister was Margaret Emily and there were obviously others.) At the time of her birth, the name Emily was not at all as popular as it is now.
As there are a few confusing posts on the site could you confirm that your husband is related to Robert Milligan A. 1811, whose parents were William and Ann Deffell, with siblings Carolyn 1796, Ann 1875, Justina 1799, William Archibald 1800, John 1802, Henry 1804, Hugh1808, and Duncan1807. I have read a Rootschat source saying Robert Milligan A. d 1819 age 79 at Highwood Hill Middlesex and Udoll Cromarty source 28 July 1819. This can’t be your Robert Milligan, can it?
Help!!! Another site www.merchantnetworks.com.au/genealogy/web/davidsonhenry/pafg06.htm.[/url] Entry 26, lists Justina 1799,William, Hugh, Henry and Emily as William and Ann Deffell. (no Robert, John, Caroline or Ann). Very confusing.
The link I have formed to Gilbert Anderson (1597)is Hugh Anderson (1633) who married Grizel Row, their issue Alexander (1672) Rev in Duffus married Elizabeth Trent ,their issue William. Is this our William who married Ann Davidson? Do I have this right or am I on the wrong track?
It was interesting to see that the connection to William and Ann (Davidson) is actually through Jane Anderson not Alexander. Do we know where Alexander Anderson (1755) fits in? I’ll look into trying to find out if William (1761) had a brother or a nephew Alexander. One more question (no really I have 100's more) Did The Viscount Tarbat (George Mackenzie) have a connection to the family or did he give the land to the Andersons in his role of Lord Chief Registra? I would like to see your photo of Robert. I have a photo of 4 people ,Mother and 3 adult children, that we can't place. Thought it may be my great grandmother and her children, Myrtle, Muriel and Crawford Eric Lesley Anderson however Myrtle's daughter could not identify them.
Bye for now
Jillian.
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Have you thought of looking in either the London Gazette or the Edinburgh Gazette for your ancestors.
There's a Wm Anderson and a Wm Henry Anderson who dissolved their brokerage partnership of Mincing Lane, London with Duncan Davidson Milligan in January 1818.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/17326/page/195
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Thank you, Rena ... more to add to the db, and more info about the Anderson brokers.
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Hi Sugarbaker
I was just wanting to find out if William and William Henry were Sugar Brokers or Coffee Brokers or may be both. Entries in the London Gazette record many entries much the same as the following. "100 Casks and 300 Bags Plantation coffee samples to be seen No6 Mincing lane, where catalogues may be had. WM Anderson. Broker..." 18 June 1818.
The Andersons must have continued as brokers after the dissolution of the partnership with Duncan Davidson Milligan as his name was no longer used in the advertisements. I have found information stating that the Mincing lane area was known as a centre of tea,spices and opium however coffee was not mentioned.
Just curious. Can you shed any light on this?
Thanks JillAnd
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JillAnd
Mincing Lane and the adjoining streets were awash with brokers of all sorts. Commodities varied between companies and within companies, and it's likely that over time Anderson's did not restrict themselves solely to sugar ... they were, after all, trying to make money.
Sugar brokers were the middle-men between the shipowners/importers and the refiners, taking a small commission from both in order to make a living. I found in the Gloucester Archives a ledger originally used by a London sugar broker for just a few years in the early 1770s that shows such transactions in detail, www.mawer.clara.net/loc-glouc.html , in which the commission varied between 2% and 6%.
William Anderson sugar brokers appears to have existed through to at least 1865.
I have a page on Sugar Brokers at www.mawer.clara.net/loc-brokers.html that shows the importance of Mincing Lane, being at the centre of the brokers/coopers district between the refineries of the City and those of the East End.
Bryan
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Thank you again Sugarbaker for all your help. It was interesting reading all about the Broker area in Swining Street and the surrounding district and to learn about that aspect of the English economy in the 1800’s. I was wondering if you knew or had a record of who took over the Anderson Brokerage Business after 1825 when William Anderson (Senior) died. William Henry (nephew) had already died in 1819 just after the partnership with Duncan Davidson Milligan was dissolved. You noted that the Anderson Sugar Brokers was still in existence through to at least 1865. William b1761 did have both a son, William Archibald b 1801 and may be (I can’t remember where I found this snippet) a son-in-law William Anderson ( his daughter Ann’s husband). If the brokerage continued to be run by a William Anderson it would more than likely have to have been one of these gentlemen.
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Hello again whirlybird
Not being well at the moment I have been watching the posts between you and JillAnd (& also of course talking to her), and have been leaving the questions/answers to the 2 of you......
In your recent information you say you have still not mastered how to send files using rootschat....
I'm wondering if JillAnd passed on how to contact her by PM (Personal Message)....?
Then again you mention sending via email, so if you are in touch that way then that would be the best option.
To send a PM you click on the small icon in the left hand column below your username - see image file attached.....
That way you are able to share information privately.
Between us we have travelled a long way along the ANDERSON road, thanks to the input of lots of rootschatters :)
Barb in Australia
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We know from directory references that the brokerage continued <i>under the name of</i> William Anderson until at least 1865, but as yet I've not found reference to who the partners were over those 40yrs following William's death.
I would have expected such info to be in the London Gazette, but there (changed) search facility is not allowing a detailed enough search. I'll keep looking.
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Thankyou for your help and now I have some newly acquired info for your records. This information has just been passed onto me from a relation of Robert Milligan Anderson.
"Re the Anderson Directors after William of Highwoods death in 1825. There was a Gillespie and Reuben Glasgow Kestin among others.
The sons, Henry, Duncan, Hugh and Robert were all educated at Harrow then went into their fathers firm; Henry only for a short while.Duncan, Hugh and Robert all became Directors. Duncan died of TB while fairly young, as did his own two sons in their early twenties. London was a very unhealthy place to live in the mid 1800's and sugar dust could cause all sorts of lung ailments too.
Hugh died 1884 .
Robert carried on till 1870 by which time one of Roberts sons had taken over.
The firm carried on till sometime around the turn of the century, but by then sugar was not such a money spinner. Something called "Foreign Bounties" and the collapse in value of sugar plantations - most of which had become worthless - made continuation in the industry pointless."
All very interesting. That's another part of the family history solved. Much more to find out.
Thanks Jillian
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Excellent ... thank you Jillian.
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Partnership between Edward Anderson, Duncan Mackenzie and Reuben Glasgow Kestin, Colonial Brokers at 10 Mincing Lane, under the style of Wm. Anderson & Co was dissolved so far as Reuben Glasgow Kestin was concerned from 31 Dec 1894. Business of Wm. Anderson & Co to be continued by Edward Anderson and Duncan Mackenzie.
(summary of Notice in London Gazette, 29 Jan 1895)
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Hello! I'm hoping some of you are still checking this thread. I am the great granddaughter of Muriel Anderson, daughter of Emily Augusta and William Henry. My uncle has been researching the family for years, and always ran aground at Emily Augusta Wood and the Anderson/Scates connection. We have always wondered if all three children really were Andersons.
I have recently done the Ancestry DNA test, and have matched to several Andersons - but nearly all in the US. There are some Scates matches too, interestingly, but all very distant and in the US as well.
Has anyone got any further updates? Would love to be in touch with JillAnd and Barb especially. I think you would be my mother's cousins/2nd cousins?
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I am replying to your inquiry . I have looked at the Emily Augusta Anderson,s children and they appear not to be the offspring of Emily Augusta and William Anderson.Note I have no records of William Anderson who was born in Guernsey carrying the middle name of Henry.Have read articles where the children of Emily were fathered by another party, but they retained the Anderson name.
I have often thought that as William and Emily were first cousins this may have been the reason the children were fathered by a third party. William does not father any children with Emily Augusta.
This subject has been a puzzle but I suspect the information I have is correct. .
Can you contact me directly and I will give you Jill And contact details as she was looking into birth certificates. ellecat
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Hello Amy J - I have replied to you via Personal Message as it is a very complicated research line and it would be good to make contact.
I am the cousin of JillAnd - her mother was the younger sister of my mother. I have done most of the research on this tangled family and look forward to your further input.
Look forward to hearing from you.