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Please can I get help finding anything on Henry Hunt. age 18 yrs, convicted 20 March, 1832 St. Mary Newington for 7 years and to be transported to N.S.W. This information came from UK, Prison Hulk Registers and letter Books, 1802-1849. Would love to get any info I can. Thankyou
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Hi - his conviction seems to have been 20 February, rather than 20 March, 1832, at Surrey Quarter Sessions.
Such records as survive of his trial will be here:
www.surreyarchives.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=QS
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His sentence was for 7 years, so he should have hopefully returned in 1839. There is a marriage for a Henry Hunt & Mary Ann Rains on October 1839 in Newington, Elham, Kent. On the 1871 Census they are living at Pean, Newington with their 3 sons. Henry was born in Newington and his occupation is Agricultural Labourer and Mary Ann was born in Lyminge, Kent. I'm not sure if this is the same Henry you are looking for but a possible.
Kind Regards,
Ellen
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His Certificate of Freedom was granted in New South Wales on 13 May 1846. His original offence in England had been stealing a trunk; he had gone on to be convicted of sheep stealing at Maitland NSW in 1837 and transported to Norfolk Island for seven years.
Native place: Surrey
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Henry Hunt died in 1891 at Carrol NSW Australia 1891/7043 Victoria bdm
His birth year is 1814, so that might help you find his exact area of origin in Surrey. (Brian Walsh suggests a birthdate of 2 April 1814 here, what is his evidence?)
http://www.tocal.com/homestead/vandv/convictpdfs/hunt.pdf
It is interesting that his trade is that of a 'hawker' a common term for a gypsy/traveller maybe his family wasn't settled?
At least on researcher thinks he is this man from the IGI (it would be interesting to know how this conclusion was arrived at, do they have evidence?)
Name Henry Hunt
Gender Male
Christening Date 03 Sep 1815
Christening Place SAINT MARY,NEWINGTON,SURREY,ENGLAND
Birth Date 19 Jul 1814 <<<--------------
Father's Name William Hunt
Mother's Name Elizabeth
https://www.geni.com/people/Henry-Hunt/6000000037777019304
Since he was convicted 20 March, 1832 St. Mary Newington perhaps the IGI makes sense?
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His sentence was for 7 years, so he should have hopefully returned in 1839. There is a marriage for a Henry Hunt & Mary Ann Rains on October 1839 in Newington, Elham, Kent. On the 1871 Census they are living at Pean, Newington with their 3 sons. Henry was born in Newington and his occupation is Agricultural Labourer and Mary Ann was born in Lyminge, Kent. I'm not sure if this is the same Henry you are looking for but a possible.
Kind Regards,
Ellen
It was very rare for convicts to return from Australia. That's why there was the 7 year rule; after seven years a wife or husband was free to marry again. The same applied in Australia.
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The laws of bigamy applied to everyone, not just convicts.
"Provided always that nothing herein contained shall extend to.....any person marrying a second time, whose husband or wife shall have been continually absent from such person for the space of seven years then last past, and shall not have been known by such person to be living within that time..."
Many convicts were refused permission to marry as they stated on arrival that they were already married, others were granted permission, especially those with a life sentence who had little hope of being reunited with a previous spouse.
Debra :)
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Henry was again convicted in the colony as Edward HUNT and sent to Norfolk Island in 1837.
Susannah80, did Henry/Edward die after 1856? If so, is there a mother's maiden surname recorded on his death certificate?
Debra :)
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Lots of detail in this research record http://www.tocal.com/homestead/vandv/convictpdfs/hunt.pdf
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Linking to related thread on the Surrey board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748309.0
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Thank you everyone for your valuable input. Most of the Australian info I already have. It is the dilemma of Where he was born/baptised and who his parents are. I have him as being born 19th July, 1814, St. Mary, Newington, Surrey and baptised 3rd Sept. 1815 of same. His Parents being William Hunt and Elizabeth Bird. The only clue I have that he he was ever in Newington are his Transportation
records.
Thank you all again,
Kind regards,
Susan Hunt
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Henry was again convicted in the colony as Edward HUNT and sent to Norfolk Island in 1837.
Susannah80, did Henry/Edward die after 1856? If so, is there a mother's maiden surname recorded on his death certificate?
Debra :)
Yes Debra he died 6 October, 1891. "Rawcliffe" Carroll NSW Australia. I think "Rawcliffe" could have been a farming property, in a fairly isolated town of Carroll in the late 1890's.
Sue :)
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Is there a surname for his mother recorded on the certificate?
Debra :)
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All a bit vague Susannah80. If you don't think the IGI is correct
"Thomas - 1803 - St. George the Martyr, Surrey
Louisa - 1805 - St. George the Martyr, Surrey
Richard - 1809 - St. George the Martyr, Surrey
James - 1812 bap - St Mary, Newington
Richard Bird Hunt - 1812 bap - St. Mary, Newington
Mary Ann - 1818 - St. Mary Newington, Surrey
Charles John - 1819 - Saint Mary, Newington Surrey
Also are William Hunt and Elizabeth Bird his parents they were married 1804 Saint Mary at Lambeth, " Register of Marriages P85/MRY1 Item 395"
Then I would suggest trying DNA matching with other decendants of that couple. I'm not sure any other decendants of the couple would have kept written records of their transported brother especially if he was a hawker. They would have been poor people
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His sentence was for 7 years, so he should have hopefully returned in 1839. There is a marriage for a Henry Hunt & Mary Ann Rains on October 1839 in Newington, Elham, Kent. On the 1871 Census they are living at Pean, Newington with their 3 sons. Henry was born in Newington and his occupation is Agricultural Labourer and Mary Ann was born in Lyminge, Kent. I'm not sure if this is the same Henry you are looking for but a possible.
Kind Regards,
Ellen
Thankyou Ellen I know he remained in Australia :)
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
The NSW Register of Births, Deaths and Marriages seem to have the death for Edward,
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
If you put HUNT in the deaths search box and narrow the date to between 06.10.1891 - 07.10.1891 you get this,
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?16
which shows Edward's parents to be Edward and Sarah.
This info about what's on a NSW death cert shows that it gives the age at death but doesn't mention that it gives a date of birth just a birthplace, so I wonder where the "born 02 April 1814" comes from.
http://nswtranscriptions.com.au/pages/about-nsw-death-certificates.php
If you are sure that Henry/Edwards death was 6 October, 1891 then this looks like the right one.
He his aged 20 in 1832 and the "New South Wales, Australia, Certificates of Freedom" gives his DOB as 1812, also I think that it's possible that saying his native place was Surrey might mean where he was living at the time rather than where he was born. It's also possible that he was brought up in Surrey but born elsewhere and he didn't even know.
I think getting the death cert. would be really helpful as it might give the maiden name for Sarah.
Regards,
Daisy
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Henry was again convicted in the colony as Edward HUNT and sent to Norfolk Island in 1837.
Susannah80, did Henry/Edward die after 1856? If so, is there a mother's maiden surname recorded on his death certificate?
Debra :)
Hi Debra,
Yes he did, he died in Australia aged in his 70's. Alas the info on his death Certificate is not right. The informant used Henry/Edward Hunt's wife's name on the certificate.
Sue
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
The NSW Register of Births, Deaths and Marriages seem to have the death for Edward,
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
If you put HUNT in the deaths search box and narrow the date to between 06.10.1891 - 07.10.1891 you get this,
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?16
which shows Edward's parents to be Edward and Sarah.
This info about what's on a NSW death cert shows that it gives the age at death but doesn't mention that it gives a date of birth just a birthplace, so I wonder where the "born 02 April 1814" comes from.
http://nswtranscriptions.com.au/pages/about-nsw-death-certificates.php
If you are sure that Henry/Edwards death was 6 October, 1891 then this looks like the right one.
He his aged 20 in 1832 and the "New South Wales, Australia, Certificates of Freedom" gives his DOB as 1812, also I think that it's possible that saying his native place was Surrey might mean where he was living at the time rather than where he was born. It's also possible that he was brought up in Surrey but born elsewhere and he didn't even know.
I think getting the death cert. would be really helpful as it might give the maiden name for Sarah.
Regards,
Daisy
Thankyou for your input Daisy,
I have Henry/Edward's death certificate. The informant was his son-in-law Jo Austin, he has mistakenly put down the name of Henry's wife Sarah Skelton as Henry's mother and "Edward" as his father. Edward is in fact Henry - he changed names at times during his incarceration. His Certificate of Freedom dated 13/5/1846 stated that his name was Henry. His marriage Certificate 3/9/1853 he is named as Edward.
All of this info I have but he is a mystery person in England. Born 2/4/1814 to William (Hunt) and Elizabeth (Bird) and then he went to court in Surrey QS 20/2/1832.
Regards,
Sue
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The information below is from a document written by Henry (Edward) Hunt by his grandson (my Grandfather Robert J Hunt:
An extract from an article by Robert Hunt, great-grandson of Edward. From My research, I have Henry's father as Edward Hunt B.23 Dec 1789
Mother Elizabeth B 20 Apr 1797 Lymington, Hampshire, England. Elizabeth was the daughter of Thomas Craine [Crane?] and Ann Kemsill (This connection is very vague. Elizabeth also went by the name of Elizabeth Jones (possibly because of a previous brief, young marriage)some of this is confirmed by the fact that they had another son Edward Jones Hunt B 09 May 1821 New Alresford, Hampshire, England,
"My paternal great-grandfather, Edward Hunt, was born in Surrey, England on 2nd April 1814. His death certificate lists his parent's names as Edward Hunt & Sarah Skelton, but this was incorrect information supplied by his son-in-law, Joe Austin, who inadvertently supplied the names of the deceased & his wife's name as Edward's parent's names.
Edward was born as Henry, & as such was convicted on 20th February 1832 in the Surrey Quarter Sessions for stealing a truck (a two-wheeled barrow for moving heavy objects). He was recorded as being capable of reading, but not to write, a Protestant, single & a hawker by trade. With no prior convictions, he was sentenced to seven years, with the ident No 137 & standing No 33-2211. He was also recorded as 5 ft 41/2 in (1.62 m), ruddy complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes, with a slight scar under the chin, another scar on the left thumb, a mole on the left cheek & a woman with a basket in one hand (presumably a tattoo) on the lower right arm. (Information from AO reel 907)
He was transported to Sydney, Australia, on the ship "Planter", arriving on 15th October 1832.
While serving his sentence (his name appears on the muster roll at Cassilis, NSW, at this period), Henry was arrested as he "purloined a single sheep to consume in his own hut." Sentenced in Maitland Quarter Sessions on 12th May 1837 to "life" on Norfolk Island, he was granted a remission of sentence back to seven years because of his youth & the excellent character reference given by the gaoler at Newcastle, where he had been confined for four months. A third redeeming factor was that he did not intend to sell the sheep, it was purely for his own consumption. The plea for clemency seems to have been instigated by a Captain WH Clarke, from the Pembroke (near Port Macquarie) area, a gentleman to whom Henry had been assigned servant for over three years.
For what reason, we will possibly never know, but while at Cassilis Henry started using the name of Edward.
Edward appears to have served his time at Norfolk Island & returned, possibly as a free man, to the area from whence he came. He married Sarah Joanna Skelton, aged 15, in Muswellbrook on 3rd September 1853, & appears to have passed some time renting a portion of a property, Petwyn Vale, situated on the eastern side of the town of Wingen. The town, though, did not exist until after 1855.
In the 1850's & 1860'6, Petwyn Vale was owned by one "Livingstone," who did not actually live on the property. The baptism records of Edward's children indicate that Edward came there as a carrier, probably rented a paddock for his horses or bullocks originally, & afterwards rented a farm, becoming a small farmer. The property Petwyn Vale was disposed of by Livingston, or his estate, in the 1870's, & thereafter the new owners took over the whole area. The electoral roll references to Edward as "leaseholder" would verify this.
Edward was 24 years older than his bride, a condition that often pointed to the husband having been detained for some misdemeanor & sent to Australia at "Her Most Gracious Majesty's Pleasure" during his younger life.
Edward died on 6th October 1891 in Carroll, NSW, of Carcinoma (a form of cancer) & Asthenia (an old medical term meaning physical weakness & lack of strength). Sarah died at Carroll on 8th February 1915 of a Cerebral Hemorrhage.
I had hoped to be able to attach a PDF document of Henry's convict times, but the file is too large. The information can be located at http://www.tocal.com/homestead/vandv/index.html