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Hi I was requiring some help to find what information was available for William Anderson of Russel Square London.
The year was 1817 he was mentioned on a Will I recently read. He is specified as an uncle of a William Henry Anderson from Cheshunt Hertfordshire.
It is difficult when you have little knowledge on the counties.
thankyou Ellecat Australia
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I wonder if this was his will in 1825 - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D164775 and a deposition he made which lists him as a broker http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6598207 If this is him he will not be on a census
Kay
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Having had a quick read of the will of Wm. Anderson it only mentions his wife Ann to whom he leaves pretty much everything which is quite considerable. No children are mentioned except in the usual Solicitor speak " any child or children I may have at the time of my decease".
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Thanks for your help I managed to find the Will on line. I doubt this is the William I was looking
for. Many thanks for your replies. Is there a directory for London that could possibly exist in 1817.?
I know it is to early for census. thanks again Ellecat
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How have you been able to distinguish the William of the 1825 will from the one you are looking for?
We will be best placed to help you if you tell us all the relevant information you know.
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I see that "my uncle William Anderson Esq of Russell Square" is first referred to in the 25 Nov 1818 codicil to William Henry Anderson's 1817 will, in the context of his having been given the benefit of an insurance policy to cover "those supposed debts which caused him so much uneasiness" and that WHA therefore recites having "too much confidence in the justice and liberality of my uncle" to think that he will oppose the executors in carrying out the testator's wishes under the will, namely to apply his net estate to the maintenance of his minor sons Alexander and William Henry (by Sarah Lewis otherwise Noble otherwise Anderson), failing which to hold it on trust for his sisters Caroline & Emily.
Nevertheless William Anderson did obtain letters of administration (with the will attached) in his capacity as creditor on 27 July 1819, William Henry Anderson having been buried at Cheshunt on 7 May 1819 aged 36.
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The 1825 will I read was for William Anderson of Russell Sq. so sounds like the right one.
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The first (1816) codicil to the older William Anderson's will names him as William Anderson, Esq "of Russell Square in the county of Middlesex and of Highwood Hill in the parish of Hendon...".
The second (1823) codicil names at least one daughter of his: Justina, the wife of William McKenzie, Esq.
The third (1824) codicil gives directions concerning some land acquired at Highwood Hill.
William Anderson of Highwood Hill was buried at St James, Westminster on 23 Feb 1825 aged 63.
Probate of his will was granted on 9 June 1825.
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Witnesses at Justina's marriage were William & Ann (assume parents) Eliz. Duffell? & another Ann Anderson.So maybe more children.
These appear to be the children of William & Ann:
Caroline Anderson
Bapt.1 Jul 1796
Ann Anderson
Bapt. 29 Mar 1798
Justina Anderson
Bapt.18 May 1799
William Archibald Anderson
Bapt.19 Jan 1801
John Anderson
Bapt.26 Apr 1802
All St. Pancras Old Church.
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Baptisms at St Pancras - children of William & Ann Anderson:
01 July 1796: Caroline, born 31 May 1796
29 Mar 1798: Ann, born 16 Feb 1798
18 May 1799: Justina, born 5 Apr 1799
19 Jan 1801: William Archibald, born 22 Oct 1800
26 Apr 1802: John, born 15 Feb 1802
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I looks like William married Ann Deffell 1795.
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Thanks to all for your replies Avm 228 reference to Highwood Hill is the key.I am researching Alexander Anderson of Udale Ross Shire. I am trying to prove that William Anderson of Highwood Hill is his brother.I have read that William Anderson of Highwood Hill was formerly of Udale so it looks good. Know I need to find William Andersons parents if possible to be sure.
Alexander Anderson of Udale b1755c d 1809 Cromarty m Jane had six daughters and a son William Henry Anderson .There is a repeat in names in my ancestors Alexander is the eldest and William with a variety of middle names is younger. So in Scottish naming tradition I think that Alex Anderson of Udalls father is William. Justina is a new name introduced into my family I noted a Justina b 1759 this is possibly a sister as this name appears in Alex of Udale and William of Udales siblings.
Justina Anderson of Udale b 1759
Alexander Anderson of Udale b 1755c d1809
William Anderson of Udale and Highwood Hill b 1761 d 1834
I am open to help in this area I am trying to prove that the above three are connected.
Re Jims comments on the Will of William Henry Anderson did I comprehend that William henry was in debt to his Uncle William who was a stock broker . Is that right? William Henry was a man of substance , I do not Know his occupation.Maybe the debt was due to poor investments.
On another note there was a photo of Alexander Anderson of Udale posted on line I am interested in people thoughts on his position in life, looking at photo. One comment was he was not your normal 5/8. It is interesting because he has a servant and a carriage which he pays tax on. Mrs Anderson of Udale has a servant and is in Cromarty Parish whilst he resides in Cullicudden Parish most interesting. Any way thanks again for all your input bye Ellecat
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Hello again managed to do more research found on Public trees on ancestry a Dr William Anderson the second of Udoll m Ann Duffel in 1795 son of a Dr William Anderson and Ann Davidson. Justina is sister to Dr William Anderson the second. All that remains is to establish Alexander as a brother of Dr William Anderson the second. Yes Jim and there are more children
the youngest Robert Milligan Anderson d1819 age79 at Highwood Hill Eltham Kent youngest son of William Anderson of Highwood Hill Middlesex and Udoll Cromarty Scotland sourse times 28 july 1819 Times. Is this Dr William Anderson the second a brother to Alexander Anderson of Udale ?
bye Ellecat.
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There are several witnesses to William & Ann's 1795 marriage:
John Deffell
Henry Davidson
Jannet MacNiel
Sarah Davidson
Justina Davidson
Caroline Davidson.
A couple of things stand out, one is the name Justina.
Is this Justina Anderson now married ?
The other is how the name Jannet is spelt. This is typically a Scottish name & you don't see it spelt this way in England.
Another is the Davidson connection.
Ann Deffell is a minor & her father is named as John Deffell.
You may be able to find a link with these names to the Scottish Family.
Yes Jim and there are more children
the youngest Robert Milligan Anderson d1819 age79
Not a child of William & Ann.
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With regard to the will.
Yes, William H had debts & also had a £5000 insurance policy. His Uncle William was uneasy about his debts as William had/was suffering from some illness which he refers to when he says " those supposed debts which gave him (Uncle William) so much uneasiness at my first illness". Uncle William had covered his debts/expenses having the policy as security. By 1819 most of those debts had been paid & what was owing was easily recoverable from his policy. The remainder going into his general estate for the maintenance of his children.
It seems that the policy was William H's main asset.
All of the circumstantial evidence points to William H being the son of Alexander & Uncle William being Alexander's brother.
There's an anomaly in that you have Alexander's brother William dying in 1834 whereas William Anderson of Russell Sq. died in 1825.
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Hi Jim I made errors sorry .This is sourced from existing trees. Dr William Anderson of Udoll birth
1761 d1825 m Ann Deffell daughter of John Diffell1742 -1806 and Caroline Vane. You previously listed Children of William and Ann Deffell
Caroline Bapt 1796 d 1867
Ann bapt 1798 d1875
Justina bapt 1799 d1847
William Archibald b1800 d1809
John Anderson b1802
Henry b 1804-d1873
Hugh 1808-d1884
Robert Milligan 1811-1891
Duncan 1807-1809
Dr William Anderson b 1761 bapt 12 August1766 Westminister London f WILLIAM m Jane
I am getting confused Alexander of Udale supposedly marries a Jane . The repeat in names has me confused. It would be great to find a bapt for Alexander of Udale. I will have to look at it again.
bye Ellecat.
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You seem to have 2 conflicting sources of information.
A Dr. Wm. Anderson born Udale 1761 & another born London in 1761.
In William's 1825 he makes Henry Davidson & John Deffell his executors so at least that proves the 1795 marriage & the 1825 death are the same person.
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Hi Jim DR William Anderson Born Udoll 1761 bapt 1766 Westminster LONDON bye Ellecat
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From your other post on this family you know Alexander is the son of Alexander & from this post you know he was born c.1783.
why do you want a Baptism?
With regard to his father Alexander who you have as being born 1755 & the brother of Justina & William there's nothing yet to confirm this. So is this the Alexander Baptism you're looking for?
Scotlandspeople has just 1 Baptism for an Alexander Anderson in R & C in 1756 (f. Donald, m. Christian) but that's on the other side of Cromarty Firth at Kilmuir Easter & this Alexander is the only child Baptised with these parents.
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William henry Anderson of Goffs Oak Cheshunt Herfordshire was b 1783 d1819 It has been established that Alexander Anderson of Udoll or Udale is his Father and holds the lands of Udale.Alex of Udale does not surface in Cromarty before 1788 with birth of daughter Justina. His were abouts is unknown. His son William Henry bapt has not been found nor his daughter Ann.
His marriage has not been found. One only estimates Alex of Udolls birth as 1755 c his death comes from Edinburgh Magazine as 1809.Hope that helps Jim. I have read as much as I could find little is known about Udall in 1780 .No other people paying horse tax or servant tax in Udale besides my ancestor. I tried looking for a Will for 1809 forAlexander of Udale got lost on the site and the normal thing was for the property to pass to the eldest son who was in Herford shire.It would be interesting to know.
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If the will was proved at Dingwall Court then you won't find it as they only exist from 1824 on.
You may not find a Baptism either as 2 organisations, IGI & Scotlandspeople have transcribed the PR's & neither have an Alexander born to William & Anne.
It's possible some pages are missing or unreadable.
I think all the other information you have points to him being William & Justina's brother & it may be that's as close as you will get.
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Thanks for your input I am not certain that Alex of Udales father was indeed William it could possibly be Alexander and I estimate his birth as 1730c. I have very little to go on.. many many thanks Ellecat
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The Witnesses at Justina's wedding were her parents William and Ann (nee Deffell) and the other Ann could possibly be her grandmother Ann (nee Davidson).William and Ann's (Deffell), issue were Carolyn 1796, Ann 1875, Justina 1799, William Archibald 1800, John 1802, Henry 1804, Hugh1808, and Duncan1807,Robert Milligan1811 and Emily.
JillAnd
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It appears that Alexander Anderson b. 1755 married Jane the daughter of William and Ann (nee Davidson) Anderson. he was not their son. We have yet to find out Alexander's relationship (thought to be a cousin). Jane and Alexander lived at the house at Udol as her older brother William was working in London.
JillAnd
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Alexander Anderson of Udale appears on tax rolls parish cullicudden having one servant, and Mrs Anderson of Udale turns up in Cromarty Parish having one servant. So the idea that William Anderson b1761 residing in London was the owner of the property is highly likely.
William Anderson b1761 d1825 m Ann Defell
The birth of Alexander Anderson has not been established 1755c
But with little doubt William Anderson b1761 is the Uncle William Anderson that appears on William Henry Andersons Will. What a twist mothers maiden name being Anderson. Thanks to all that added content. Uncle William Anderson of Russel Square was a wealthy Sugar Broker.
It would be highly unlikely that Alexander Anderson of Udale and Jane [maiden name Anderson]
were not of the same blood line, most likely cousins.
What I am searching for is a marriage for Alexander Anderson and Jane Anderson the date is likely to be 1873 or just prior [William Henry Anderson birth 1873 ] recorded most likely as William Anderson these records if they exist could be in Moray. Janes, marriage could be recorded as Jane Anderson daughter of Dr William Anderson of Udall Cromarty. Would appreciate any help. thanks again Ellecat