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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: myluck! on Monday 23 May 16 15:03 BST (UK)
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This article was in today's paper and caught my eye - LINK (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/police-searching-for-family-of-tipperary-man-who-was-lord-kitcheners-bodyguard-34738691.html) & on RTE (http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0523/790291-london-appeal/)
Maybe RCers could help?!
There has obviously been some research done and from what I can see
His parents were Michael McLOUGHLIN and Bridget RYAN from his birth record
I believe that their marriage took place on Feb 10 1867 in Kilcummin RC Church
Micheal being shown as McLOUGHNY of Foilnadanagh; father Patrick
Bridget RYAN of Riesk; father Matthew
Witnesses Thomas MALLOUGHNY & Mary RYAN
Civil District: Borrisoleigh, Co. Tipperary
But these are common names and subject to further proof
The fourteen children were (as I can find)
1. Hanora b. May 14 1871
2. John b. Aug 20 1872
3. Mary b. 1874
4. Bridget (1) b. 1875 d. 1875
5. Bridget (2) b. 1876
6. Patrick (1) b. 1877 d. 1878
7. Matthew b. Mar 17 1879 (shown as McGLOUGHLIN on civil records)
8. Patrick (2) b. 1880
9. Michael b. 1882
10. William b. 1883
11. Johanna b. Aug 15 1884
12. Margaret b. 1886
13. Catherine (Kate) b. Jun 08 1887
14. Ellen b. 1890
1901 Census
Possible for brother William LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Arington/Foildarragh/1698475/)
Possible for sister Maggie
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Arington/Foildarragh/1698467/)
1911 Census
Possible for Mother, Patrick and Ellen LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Abington/Foildarragh/821297/)
Letter to his mother after his death about her letters to him (http://letters1916.maynoothuniversity.ie/diyhistory/scripto/transcribe/1908/4788)
There are many possibilities for the family marrying but without actual certificates could be difficult to prove however some one here may be able to find out more!
This Link (http://www.thurles.info/2016/05/23/metropolitan-police-seek-information-on-tipperary-native/) includes the reason for the search; the UK Specialist Protection Squad now intends to honour Detective Sergeant Matthew McLoughlin, by naming their new Offices after him, when they move from their current premises at Scotland Yard, later this year.
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Hi,
I have sent a message to a Tree Owner.
I will update you as soon as I get a reply.
Maggsie
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possible 1901 without family for Michael and Bridget
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Portumna/Old_Street/1396627/
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Thank you both
It is always strange to see a large family seemingly disappear within a generation
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This article was in today's paper and caught my eye - LINK (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/police-searching-for-family-of-tipperary-man-who-was-lord-kitcheners-bodyguard-34738691.html) & on RTE (http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0523/790291-london-appeal/)
... His parents were Michael McLOUGHLIN and Bridget RYAN from his birth record
I believe that their marriage took place on Feb 10 1867 in Kilcummin RC Church
Micheal being shown as McLOUGHNY of Foilnadanagh; father Patrick
Bridget RYAN of Riesk; father Matthew
Witnesses Thomas MALLOUGHNY & Mary RYAN
Civil District: Borrisoleigh, Co. Tipperary
But these are common names and subject to further proof
The fourteen children were (as I can find)
1. Hanora b. May 14 1871
2. John b. Aug 20 1872
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The above marriage may be a different couple as a Michael McLoughny & Bridget Ryan had a son Denis born Tipperary on 30 Sept.1872-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH6-YVV
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Very true aghadowey - the names are common enough in the area
I believe they are hoping to make contact with relatives so firstly interested in the son Michael Paul born in 1912 who was on the electoral registers in England in the late 1920s or else with cousins through the family
They suggest that Matthew's wife, Marguerite Amelie Quernel was French
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There's a possible death for the son-
Michael McLoughlin 1938 at sea (birth year shown as 1913 but likely calculated from age at death so possibly born 1912).
An online tree has mother Marguerite Amelie Quernel (1882–1935) died 23 June 1935 Battersea, London and a possible marriage for Michael Paul in 1963 based on searching for a Michael P. McLoughlin,
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Thank you aghadowey - unfortunately it is the common name that makes this difficult
I would hope that the media coverage would perhaps someone related to one of the rest of the McLoughlin family to come forward if there is anyone!
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would his police record name relatives
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13364873
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I would have thought so but they probably just had his wife and mother at the time he died in 1916.
His record shows that his mother looked for support after he died as only his widow received anything at the time.
From reading the article I can only assume that they have searched as much as they could and are now hoping for relatives to come forward with links to prove who they are. Posted here there is a possibility that some may see this when searching for something else ;)
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Hi Just got a reply from the Tree Owner.
I have sent the original message.
I will update when I hear back.
Maggsie
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Thanks Maggsie ;)
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The above marriage may be a different couple as a Michael McLoughny & Bridget Ryan had a son Denis born Tipperary on 30 Sept.1872-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH6-YVV
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Baptism record Denis McLoughney Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 02-Jul-1872
Address: Glenduff Parish/District: TEMPLEDERRY
Gender: Male County Co. Tipperary
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Michael McLoughney Mother: Bridget Ryan
Informant 1: Thos McLoughney Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Mary McLoughney
Notes:
HUGH GLEESON [PRIEST
Birth record for John McLoughlin John McLoughlin Date of Birth: 20-Aug-1872
Registration Date: 29-Aug-1872
Address: Foilnadrough Parish/District: NEWPORT
Gender: Male County Co. Tipperary
Denomination: Civil Record
Father: Michael McLoughlin Mother: Bridget Ryan
Occupation: Farmer
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Michael McLoughlin
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Re Ancestry online tree John Mcloughlin b. 1872 married Elizabeth Fegan with a son Michael Paul who may have been in RUC Rostrevor Co Down.
However going by this marriage cert it was possibly John McLoughlin who was in RIC stationed in Westmeath and who married Elizabth Fegan in Rostrevor R.c. church in 1912.
30-Nov-1912
Parish / District: NEWRY & MOURNE County: Co. Down
Husband Wife
Name: John McLoughlin Elizabeth Fegan
Address: Moyvore Co Westmeath Knockbarragh
Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
Occupation: CONSTABLE R I C
Age: Full Age (Over 21) Full Age (Over 21)
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Michael McLoughlin Bernard Fegan
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation: FARMER FARMER
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Bernard Fegan Margaret Fegan
Address:
Notes:
Church: ROSTREVOR Roman Catholic
BY LICENCE REV D MALLON MGR: HUBANDS FATHER DECEASED.
And this is possibly birth of son Michael in 1913
Name MICHALE MC LOUGHLIN
Date of Birth 07 September 1913
Group Registration ID 1271361
SR District/Reg Area Delvin
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname FAGAN
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There was another John Mcloughlin in this area, he married a Marcella Fagan.
I checked the marriage and this John's Father was Patrick and his Mother was Maguire.
Maggsie
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http://news.sky.com/story/1703651/appeal-for-family-of-kitcheners-bodyguard
Another link on same search.
Dont know if this has any relevance to this search but may be of general interest anyway.
I dont have any precise details unfortunately but there was a priest at one time who refused to acknowledge there was a surname "Moloughney". Said they should be McLoughlins. It was from a Moloughney that I heard this. All this priests "Moloughney" baptisms were registered by him as "McLoughlin"!