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Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 13:52 BST (UK)

Continued from:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748190.0

OK. Had another look at it after a little break. The parish starts with either a B or W I think, and is possibly misspelt.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 13:55 BST (UK)

Definitely a 'B' I scrolled back a few pages in the register to a record of a Susanna Brooks, and it is as clear as day.

Still no idea though ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 13:59 BST (UK)

Mind you, it might not be a parish, but just a place name within a parish.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 14:00 BST (UK)

Words were spelt phonetically then, plus a Yorkshire dialect,  and 'Eee by Gum' I've still no idea what it is  ;D

True, I've been looking at all sorts of places but nothing jumps out

EDIT: HELLERSLEY surname found a few of them in Yorkshire, but I've tried editing the picture and it looks more like HOLLINGSBY

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 14:04 BST (UK)

Quote from: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 14:00 BST (UK)

Words were spelt phonetically then, plus a Yorkshire dialect,  and 'Eee by Gum' I've still no idea what it is  ;D

True, I've been looking at all sorts of places but nothing jumps out

I had google maps down to 500 metres, and still couldn't see anything. I thought Broad- or Brod- something.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 14:06 BST (UK)

We're not far off with name I don't think.
Have you looked for Yorkshire wills with the names we've come up with?
It might be a long shot, but if you find a combination of the name with a place that looks like the record, we might have it.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 14:10 BST (UK)

Here bookmark this, old West Yorkshire placenames and their modern translations. I'm sure I will use it again.

Still not seeing anything

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/OldNames.html

Will have a look at Wills  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 14:26 BST (UK)

An old map of Notton/ Royston area, we may get lucky with this... hopefully :o

http://maps.nls.uk/view/102345097

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 19:57 BST (UK)

Hello Claire and pinefamily

Wow you two make a great research team, I'm really amazed about how much you've managed to find out and figure out.  There are some really kind and helpful people on here and you are two of them.   ;D

If there's anything I can do to help either of you both then please let me know and I'll do my best  :)

Do you think Hollingsby could be the surname?

I love the old map, will look at that closer later on.  Just going to have something to eat.

Hope you both have a lovely weekend

Heidi

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 20:39 BST (UK)

Hello again Heidi,
Just glad we can be of help.  :)
To me, it looks like either Hollingsley, or Hollingsby, this morning (my time). I'm still stick on the parish though.  ???

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: Calverley Lad on Friday 20 May 16 20:43 BST (UK)

What about looking here on Genuki?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html
 Brian

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 20:55 BST (UK)

Thanks Brian. This has been a tricky one, partly because of the script, and partly because of the possibility of the spelling not being accurate.
For some reason, we can't attach images on this thread, so I can't post it for you to see.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 21:00 BST (UK)

I've just posted in the Deciphering Board. It let me attach the image there, if you want to have a look.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 21:15 BST (UK)

Morning pinefamily  ;D

Be on soon

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 21:24 BST (UK)

Thank you all and hello  :)

Did you say that it's possible the Parish began with a B?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 21:29 BST (UK)

Yes a B

And good evening Heidi  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 21:38 BST (UK)

Good morning/evening Claire and Heidi.
It does look like a "B", and the more I look, the second letter looks like an "r".

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 21:40 BST (UK)

Possibly ending in 'y'

 :)

I tried to start a new thread with the image, and that wouldn't let me either  ???

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 21:44 BST (UK)

I started one on the Deciphering Board, to see if any of those clever people can help.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 21:49 BST (UK)

Now then.. I think we've done well considering all the Roberts and John Elliot's we have come across :)

I even got a tweet of a Jon Elliot today , weird ::)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 21:52 BST (UK)

That's very weird,  ::)

There's Monk Bretton or Bretton but not sure how far away and doesn't end in 'y'  :(

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 21:52 BST (UK)

As long as it wasn't this one.  ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elliott_%28businessman%29

Not very well liked, except by those who love him.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 21:56 BST (UK)

Quote from: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 21:40 BST (UK)

Possibly ending in 'y'

 :)

I tried to start a new thread with the image, and that wouldn't let me either  ???

I think you might be right, Claire. Well done!  :)
I couldn't make out the back part of the place name before. Could it be Broomley, Breamley, or similar?
Yorkshire geography is on the edge of my comfort zone.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:01 BST (UK)

Well done for getting the image up  ;D

I had thought it may end in 'lby'

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:09 BST (UK)

We might have to wait for someone to post on that thread. I've looked at the links you and Calverley Lad have posted, and can't see anything likely.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:15 BST (UK)

I can't see her being born out of County, it would have said.

I see Brea.....y

I'm hoping Bookbox see's it,  he/she is  pretty good at deciphering things

 :)

And no it wasn't that Jon Eliott, although he was a company CEO, something to do with genealogy

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:20 BST (UK)

Bookbox and Horsleydown are both very good.
Fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 22:22 BST (UK)

Thank you for posting the Deciphering board.

I wonder if anyone can work out the Parish and surname, that would be fantastic!  ;D
I've had a look, I can see similar to what you see. 

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:23 BST (UK)

Broawley? Which would be Brawley, maybe?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:24 BST (UK)

I'll check some more Wills, although nothing jumped out at me  :)

Hollingsby or Hellersley  ???

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:27 BST (UK)

pinefamily ~ I can just imagine you trying to say that with a Yorkshire accent  ;D

very possibly...it's that weird looking letter after the 'ea' that's stumping me.

We should get some paleography lessons  ;D ;D

http://rycote.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/Palaeography-Guide-alphabet

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:31 BST (UK)

Look at the capital B on that link, my clever one.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:35 BST (UK)

I know it doesn't look like it on the image, but what about this one?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR9B-CJ3

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:35 BST (UK)

I hope no-one says different, it's very clear isn't it  :) :)

just going through other letters.


Is it raining where you are Heidi, it's absolutely pouring down in Blackpool, as usual  :-\

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:37 BST (UK)

Wow that looks really good, it does look a bit like it you know

Blimey, why is that post so big  ???

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:38 BST (UK)

It's going to be 23 degrees celsius and sunny, in case you were wondering.  ;) ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:40 BST (UK)

Great..rub salt in the wounds  ;)

lucky devil  8)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 22:40 BST (UK)

What about Brierley but could have been spelt different back then

It's dry at the moment but I think rain is due later, think rain is due tomorrow too
23 degrees and sunny, wish it would be like that here this weekend

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:43 BST (UK)

It would have been spelt phonetically, how would you say Brierley with a Yorkshire accent Heidi ?

Try spelling it out as you would say it, if you know what I mean...

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:44 BST (UK)

That's not far away from Notton and Royston either. Well done Heidi.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 22:45 BST (UK)

Quote from: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:43 BST (UK)

It would have been spelt phonetically, how would you say Brierley with a Yorkshire accent Heidi ?

Try spelling it out as you would say it, if you know what I mean...

I only know the accent from Geoff Boycott, and Monty Python.  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:49 BST (UK)

I'm trying to imagine an Aussie speaking with a Yorkshire accent  ;D ;D

Regarding the baptism of Sarah you found ..father William.


John and Sarah had a son William bapt. 24 Jun 1669

...I used to play quite a bit of cricket in my teenage years...I'm surprised I can remember that far back ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 22:52 BST (UK)

Or even Barnsley, but think I'm drifting too far now.

Erm, Brierley would sound like Brearley?

south Yorkshire accents are a lot more broad Yorkshire, especially the Barnsley area

I'm trying to imagine an Aussie with a Yorkshire accent too  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 22:57 BST (UK)

Should have asked my OH, he's from West Yorkshire ~ Doncaster

Well done though Heidi, I think we're getting closer.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 23:00 BST (UK)

I really don't know, I'm not much good at this.  Looking at it again, it looks more like Broamley.   ???

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Friday 20 May 16 23:09 BST (UK)

Well I'm going to bed now, I'm exhausted,

Goodnight all

 :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 23:11 BST (UK)

Good night Heidi. Hopefully someone will look at the image on the other thread.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 23:12 BST (UK)

Good night Heidi, sleep well  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 23:18 BST (UK)

I'm looking at that register image of Sarah Hollingbrigg it could be her you know

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 20 May 16 23:25 BST (UK)

Is there a will for her father by any chance?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 20 May 16 23:30 BST (UK)

No Wills  :'(

Checked Hollingbrig and variants

Hellersley ~ Ellerslie

Wonder if Protestation Rolls survive for the area ? He'd be on there in 1641 if alive, wouldn't he ? Maybe not  ???

EDIT:  Old name for BRIERLEY was Brerelay

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 01:27 BST (UK)

Night all :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 02:24 BST (UK)

Good night Claire.  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 12:55 BST (UK)

Good Evening  :)  Good Afternoon   :)

Broawley..... Brawley.....Broamley ~ You two were so close  ;D ;D Well done !!!!!

Thank goodness someone looked at your post PF ,  ;D

BROMLEY near Notton ;D ;D

claire

I take a bit of satisfaction getting the letter 'B' :D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 12:56 BST (UK)

Hello,

How is everyone today?  We haven't had the rain.. yet  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 12:58 BST (UK)

Just seen your post, wow we were very close. I'd never have thought of Bromley and it looks correct, that's amazing ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 13:08 BST (UK)

People are trying to decipher the surname ~ I hope they get it  ;D

I'm just glad pinefamily got that image up  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 13:11 BST (UK)

Quote from: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 13:08 BST (UK)

People are trying to decipher the surname ~ I hope they get it  ;D

I'm just glad pinefamily got that image up  ;D ;D

Snipping tool is my new favourite Windows program.  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 13:12 BST (UK)

Yes he did really well to do that, I didn't have a clue, you did well too   ;D

Would be fantastic if someone could work out the surname

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 13:14 BST (UK)

I'm definitely going to have to have some lessons

1: Posting images
2: Snipping tool  :o ( is that fancy talk for cropping )
3: Paleography

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 13:21 BST (UK)

I know that you can study handwriting examples to help learn the various styles, but I think practice gives you more confidence. I've looked at a lot of wills from both the 1600's and the 1700's.
Funny thing is, there is no progression of improvement, it was down to the individual.
My boss says my handwriting is like a chicken with Tourette's that has a crayon strapped to its leg.  ::)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 13:28 BST (UK)

Now that is funny  ;D ;D

The NA has lots of exercises you can look at, it's very interesting. I've passed the first Will you can transcribe.

Talking of the NA ~ John Bodley ? was that his name ~ there's lots of documentation on him, going to look at the Uni library later. Been doing it all week but keep getting tied down elsewhere.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 13:38 BST (UK)

Getting back to John (1632) son of JOHN, I made a discovery. Right around the time  John the father born probably 1610+/- 5 or so years. There is a ...wait for it.... ROBERTE baptizing at least one child I've found in Royston.

EDIT: The parish records are terrible to try and read ::)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 13:46 BST (UK)

Heidi

Someone's posted that they think the placename is Brearley ?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 13:55 BST (UK)

Brearley or Bromley I wonder, maybe its whichever was closest to Notton/Royston?  Not sure which it could be ???

Wow another discovery  ;D so John (1610 ish) hays father could possibly be Roberte?

Looks like there were Robert Elliott's all over the place in Royston lol

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 14:12 BST (UK)

I'm absolutely stumped now  :o

Yes, it looks as though John's father could be Roberte...they get everywhere  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 14:21 BST (UK)

I'm stumped too
I'll try find out if Brierley/Brearley is fairly close to Notton.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 14:24 BST (UK)

It's a lot closer to Royston/Notton than Bromley. Maybe it is Brearley?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 14:30 BST (UK)

Could be couldn't it, I wish pinefamily was here, three heads are better than two  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 14:35 BST (UK)

Pinefamily might be back soon hopefully, you two make a great research team  ;D

I'm having to go out soon too but should be back this evening :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 14:37 BST (UK)

Okay Heidi, surname has been transcribed as HELLEYLEY .

Have a lovely day  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 14:41 BST (UK)

Helleylay, that's an unusual one, I've heard of someone called Hellaley so maybe it was just mispelt. 

Looks like a possible Sarah Helleylay from Brearley (Brierley).

 :)

Thank you Claire, should hopefully speak later

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 14:43 BST (UK)

Hope so  :)

HALLEYLEYs on FindMyPast......infact there's quite a lot of them :o

Back on the hunt  ;D

They were mostly around the Sherburn in Elmet area, but they certainly had money, there are lots of probate references, just not readily seeing a Sarah...yet

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 21:18 BST (UK)

Well, I can't find a Sarah  ???

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 21:33 BST (UK)

Maybe it's not Halleyley?  I'm really not sure.

Thank you for looking Claire,  I really appreciate what you've done.  :)

Would be lovely to work out her surname or have confirmation that it is Halleyley

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 21:37 BST (UK)

Yes, we'll have to see what pinefamily thinks when he wakes up  ;D

I'm not convinced, but there are a lot of HELLEYLEYs and variants in Yorkshire, on FindMyPast.
It is transcribed as that on Anc*, but nothing there that looks a possible.

Mind you we have plenty to do here, and we haven't even looked at Mary Webster  :o :o

I think I recall a baptism ~ with a father ROBERT ...

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 21:44 BST (UK)

Yes see what pinefamily thinks, he might be waking soon  ;D

Forgot about Mary, another Robert :o

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 21:59 BST (UK)

I've found one Sarah HYLELEY bpt. March 1640 (no date) Heptonstall, father: James

Not sure about the area. She would be very young if it was her that married, but it wasn't against the law, but very unlikely.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 22:08 BST (UK)

I've had a look at Heptonstall on the map, it's quite a bit further away from Royston area but it's good that you've found a Sarah Hyleley :)
Did we say it was Brierley for her?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 22:10 BST (UK)

Heidi ~ your guess is as good as mine, I could have sworn it was Bromley, but I did think there was more than one vowel in the name ie 'ea'

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 22:20 BST (UK)

Hope the mystery of Sarah Helleyley will be solved one day  ;D
 

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 22:20 BST (UK)

Is Brearley the same as Brierley, I'm getting confused  ???

Heptonstall is 40 miles from Royston, that is further than I thought

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 22:25 BST (UK)

There's a Brierley that's close to Notton/Royston.  It could have been spelt Brearley back then (Yorkshire accents  :) )

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 22:28 BST (UK)

Good morning Claire and Heidi,
Wow I wake up to confuddlement. That's my big word for the morning.

Horsleydown86 is normally pretty good with his deciphering. I can see Helleyley as a surname, but I'm still not sure on Brearley; the second "r" looks a bit funny. Might be my eyesight this time of the morning.  ::)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 22:29 BST (UK)

Right sorted, can't find that 1640 baptism on Anc*, which is odd as Heptonstall registers are available

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 22:29 BST (UK)

Quote from: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 22:25 BST (UK)

There's a Brierley that's close to Notton/Royston.  It could have been spelt Brearley back then (Yorkshire accents  :) )

Good point. I googled Brearley and got a place near Halifax, too far away IMO.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 22:30 BST (UK)

Morning pinefamily :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 22:31 BST (UK)

Good morning  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 22:33 BST (UK)

So we all agree on Helleyley ? There does seem to be a few of them in Yorks.

Not sure on the placename at all

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 22:35 BST (UK)

I think Heidi might be onto something with the spelling of Brierley. We just need to find a Sarah H. baptism.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 22:39 BST (UK)

Helleyley sounds good (or similar), although I can't really work out many of the letters.

I can't believe something is so difficult to read. 

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 22:42 BST (UK)

I've got a similar one myself that is also in Latin. That was interesting.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 22:43 BST (UK)

I know I had it 'snipped' on my photosuite trying to sharpen the detail and all sorts of things, but I do think thats what it looks like :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Saturday 21 May 16 22:45 BST (UK)

I was hoping to stay awake longer tonight, but I've such a bad headache  :( so bed time calls.

Goodnight Claire, goodnight pinefamily
 
Will hopefully speak tomorrow  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 21 May 16 22:48 BST (UK)

Good night, Heidi.  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 21 May 16 22:54 BST (UK)

Night Heidi, sleep well  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 09:51 BST (UK)

Good Morning Heidi 🌸, Good Evening Pinefamily 🐍  ;)

So it's definitely looks like Sarah Helleyley from Brearley then ?

I'm still not feeling to sure about Brearley, I was convinced of an 'm' in there, but maybe not.

claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 22 May 16 10:27 BST (UK)

Good morning Claire and Heidi,
OK it doesn't get any easier. If as has been suggested, Brearley is Brierley, the latter actually falls in the parish of Felkirk. According to Genuki, PR's don't seem to exist for the era we want, but start in 1701.  ::)
There are manuscript transcripts of the BT's 1598-1701, with gaps. These are held at Borthwick, and are not indexed.
Oh boy!

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 10:41 BST (UK)

Oh no, that would explain why we couldn't find anything remotely like it yesterday.

We haven't had much luck in the last few days have we  :(

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 11:38 BST (UK)

Now I'm totally confused  ???

There are two Brierleys  ~ Brierley and a Brearley. Yes,  Brearley is only a parish within Midgely and nearer Halifax, and geographically further away, but how are we going to be sure  ???

http://www.brierleyvillage.co.uk/index.htm

Plus the baptism found in 1640 of Sara Hylleyley father James in Heptonstall is only four miles from BREARLEY :o

http://midgleywebpages.com/brearleyhall.html

claire

EDIT: After seeing Sara's baptism in the Heptonstall register, and comparing the style of writing and that odd looking ( what we thought was an 'm' ) in Brearley, its definitely one of the Brierley/Brearley names

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 14:07 BST (UK)

Hi Heidi,

Well thanks to PF (again) for getting the image up, and input from Horsleydown, Bookbox and others it looks pretty likely Sarah Helleyley or variant was born in BRIERLEY. There were Helleyley's in Brierley in the timeframe we are looking at  :D

http://www.brierleyyorkshireengland.net/Bererley_a_history_of_Brielrey.html

And I've spotted something else, here is a site about the Manor Rolls of Brierley, and halfway down there is a mention of a JOHN HOYLAND between 1614-1660 ~ one of the witnesses to the marriage of Sarah Helleyley and John Elliott was called John Hoyland ... happy days  ;D ;D

http://bfhsociety.tripod.com/hi00008.htm

claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 15:40 BST (UK)

Hello all :)

Sorry for the delay in replying.  Wow a lot to take in here, you have all been busy, this is fantastic!

You've done so well to find all this.  Well done on finding John Hoyland. 

I've haven't read everything yet, just a brief look but noticed a John Hellilay of Brierley 1655, jurors of Brierley Manor Court., could he be a relation of Sarah?

Just going to read through everything ;D

Heidi

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 15:44 BST (UK)

I'm praying he could be her father ~ it sounds such an unusual surname he has to be a relation  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 15:56 BST (UK)

I think definitely a relation. 

You all did really well in working out surname and place, don't know how you managed it. 

So are there no records for that area?  It's a good job there was that history of Brierley. 

I still haven't managed to read through but will do soon with a cup of coffee  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 16:09 BST (UK)

Pinefamily found out that the transcripts for the registers prior to 1701 are held at the Borthwick Institute.

But I'm going through all the resources I can think of ~ Wills, Land documents etc. to see if I can find anything further

It's been such a good thread to work on this  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 16:47 BST (UK)

It's been so nice having such a lovely group of people working together  ;D

I've just had a read (there's so much to read), John Hoyland is mentioned quite a few times.  Brierley Rentals 1701 there is a George Helleley 1701 Grange Farm.  Also abit later is George Andrew Helleley 1841 landowner 139 acres.  The Helleley's definitely stuck around in Brierley.  The earliest name I can find is the John Helliley in 1655 tenant, Brierley Manor Court Roll.  I really don't understand this Brierley Manor Court Roll though  ???

Sarah must have something to do with John Helliley, maybe. 

Thank you for still searching  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 16:56 BST (UK)

Even if I'm quiet I'm still here  ;D ;D

We have all worked well together  :D

No I don't understand either ~ I just read and hope a name I'm searching for appears ~ we'll ask pinefamily, he's good at history  :)

EDIT: maybe this will help  :)

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/guide/man.shtml

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 17:05 BST (UK)

That's some more good reading, it's good when you learn something new every day.  :)

It would be really great if there were more records from Brierley, even finding Sarah's parents.  Or more on the Hellileys (or however you spell the surname),  I'll keep my fingers crossed

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 17:08 BST (UK)

I'm keeping everything crossed  ;D

It is a good site, I've made regular use of it :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 17:14 BST (UK)

I'm going for a little while but won't be long  :)

Speak again soon

Heidi

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 17:16 BST (UK)

Okay Heidi speak soon.

8) :D England v Australia friendly 27 May 2016 Stadium of Light. Kick Off 19.45pm  :D 8)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 20:08 BST (UK)

Hi Claire

Have you heard of west riding sessions records?  I typed in Robert Ellyott of Notton and it brought that up with some information on a Robert Ellyott.
Just wondered if you'd heard of it.  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 20:10 BST (UK)

I have heard of Session Records they are really interesting reading, I know Shropshire Sessions are online, I'll check it out.  :)

claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 20:13 BST (UK)

It was on Google.  I just typed Robert Ellyott of Notton (hope that's right now) and it said west riding sessions record for Robert Ellyott.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 20:25 BST (UK)

Yes, they are on Anc*

We might have to let pinefamily help to translate, it's the actual document from 1641 ~ possible father of John. But I will have a go

For that Robert Elliott of Notton yeoman does not provide for a case of his ? ?

I really don't understand it Heidi, I can pick out the odd word, but don't understand what it's about :(
I am going to check for further references though

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 20:37 BST (UK)

Oh My! there is another one, dated 1650 between Robert Elliot tailor of Royston and John Elliott of the same husb (husbandman)..

Can't really read it but it was between a George Clarke and his wife Sara, it happened in the publike squar ( their spelling not mine  :) and there is a mention of assault and affray... they beat them and blood was drawn  :o..

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 20:42 BST (UK)

 :o
Oh my goodness,
Wonder what that's about, does it say who beat who?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 20:45 BST (UK)

What's the document from 1641, possible father of John? 
I wonder what time pinefamily will be online  :)

Oh dear it's Monday tomorrow, the weekend goes too quick  :(

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 20:58 BST (UK)

No sorry, that's me added that bit ~ ( possibly the father of the John who married Sara Halleley)

I think ,I'm sorry to say it was Robert and John that were a bit naughty  ;)

pinefamily will be back at work, it will be Monday morning for him. The weekend does go to quick, back to work for me tomorrow too  :(

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 21:37 BST (UK)

Oh dear, Robert and John, I wonder what came over them, doesn't sound good.

At least next weekend's a long one.. Spring bank  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 21:43 BST (UK)

Oh Great news I hadn't realised. Long weekend to look forward too  :)

Yes, I can't really make it all out bar the bits and pieces I've told you about.

 :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 22 May 16 22:08 BST (UK)

Good morning my fellow family history detectives,
I see some more good work going on in my absence.  :)
Any chance you can send me the image (or part of), Claire? I'm off Ancestry at the moment.
Manor court rolls are a form of legal document; the manor court was the lowest form of government if you like, almost like your local council (without the ridiculous by-laws). Officials were appointed, as laid out in that link, and the jurors for the court would have heard local grievances and issues. That's the five minute, before I go to work version.  ;D
Off to keep the wheels of industry turning, but I will check back in on my phone. Where I work, my department boss doesn't really care what we do, as long as the required tasks are done each day.
Talk to you both later.
Have a good evening/night.  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Sunday 22 May 16 22:24 BST (UK)

Good morning to you, :)

Thank you for the briefing on Manor court rolls, think I understand a bit more now. (I've still a lot to learn).

Bed time calls for me (again).

Have a good day pinefamily (don't work too hard) and good night Claire

Speak tomorrow ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 22:26 BST (UK)

Morning pinefamily,  :)

I will send them both on

claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 22 May 16 22:27 BST (UK)

Goodnight Heidi Sleep well  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 00:34 BST (UK)

Have checked all Helleyley Wills on Anc* that I can find, those on FindMyPast were all for a family in Sherburn in Elmet.

 :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 01:25 BST (UK)

Well time for bed  :)

Goodnight (and Good Day) ;)

claire :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Monday 23 May 16 02:14 BST (UK)

Are the wills on ancestry able to be viewed, or is it infex only?
And any likely candidates?
Sherburn is a bit far away.

Good night Claire.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 07:51 BST (UK)

Morning Pinefamily

Have checked all the PCC Wills that can be seen, it was just a case of checking the area, and trying to pick a  name out we have been working with. Same with the Yorkshire probate and Wills. All can be seen. I have to admit they were more legible than the Court session records.
I suppose when we are only working with John Hellayley and John / Robert Elliot it may get difficult.
We need more to work with  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 07:57 BST (UK)

I thought Helleyley would be quite easy to research. That surname is all over Yorkshire :) :)....and so many variants  :o

EDIT: Can someone check The Genuki page for Felkirk, under the heading BT transcripts some of the early dates are highlighted in blue. I'm currently on my phone, each time I try and look it's trying to phone someone up :)
Thank you  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: Calverley Lad on Monday 23 May 16 09:20 BST (UK)

Felkirk records:
    CMB 1598-1701 (from BTs); Manuscript transcript, no index; Borthwick Institute of Historical Research
    CMB 1701-1812; Printed transcript with index; A. N. A. Royds, 1894; Yorkshire Archaeological Society
    C 1701-1812; MB 1706-1812; Typed transcript, with index; Sheffield Archives
    M 1706-1812; Typed transcript, with index; Boyd's Marriage Index; Society of Genealogists, York Central Library
 Brian

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 10:22 BST (UK)

Thank you Brian  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Monday 23 May 16 10:32 BST (UK)

Thank you Brian. I've just come back on here after dinner.
These BT's are not going to be easy to access.  :(

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: pinefamily on Monday 23 May 16 10:38 BST (UK)

Don't worry what that last bloke said.
The BT's are available through the LDS microfilm system; I think it is a film of the manuscript.
I'm excited!  ;D

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 10:46 BST (UK)

Great great great ;D ;D

;D ;D EXCITED ;D ;D

It's gloriously sunny here today. The sun has got his hat on ☀️

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: bitzar on Monday 23 May 16 11:21 BST (UK)

Hi team

I'm been following this whole saga from the sidelines and I just want to say what a great job you all have done!

There hasn't been any judgement of others, expectations, or non jest sarcasm. 

Terrific work.  Keep it up.

Bitzar,
Melbourne.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 11:29 BST (UK)

Thank you so much  :D
That's such a lovely thing to say  :D

All contributions welcome and please feel free to join in ;D ;D

claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 14:55 BST (UK)

BURIAL

Sarah Elliott of Notton widow was buried 10 April 1694

Children of John and Sarah

William bpt 24 June 1669
John bpt 12 Dec 1657

claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 15:28 BST (UK)

Hello all

Thank you Brian for your help, much appreciated.  :)

What lovely words from Bitzar.  They're right, there are some lovely, kind and friendly people on here ;D

Well done in finding the burial for Sarah

It was a beautiful sunny morning here but didn't last long, the clouds are back  :(

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 16:17 BST (UK)

Good Afternoon Heidi

Still lovely here, just getting ready for work ;D

Back later

Claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 16:27 BST (UK)

Hope you have a good evening at work. 
I'll be back later too  :)

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 21:18 BST (UK)

Good evening , Good morning

Hope you are all well. I'll be on in a minute , somebody is flying a drone above my house, I'm going to be nosey and have a look 😀
 
Claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 21:20 BST (UK)

Hi :)

Just wondering how everyone is and how things are going. 
I've had a busy day. 
I haven't looked into the Elliott's or Helleyley's today yet.

That's a coincidence, we left a post at the same time  :) 

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 21:24 BST (UK)

Did you say you lived in Blackpool Claire? 

I think my 2x great grandmother moved there to open a guest house (in the early 1900's).   :)

Did you see the drone?

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 21:40 BST (UK)

Hi Heidi

Yes, I live in Blackpool Heidi. How strange ~ my paternal Grandparents moved here in the thirties to open a guest house  :) :)

Yes, I pulled up from work and my daughter was talking with a friend in the garden. So as women do we were stood putting the world to rights and we heard this buzzing. It was really quiet like a bee or something. And then it just rose up over the roof. I can tell you we ran for the front door ~ we were thinking 'War of the Worlds' , aliens. It did scare us, we hadn't seen one before. It was like a cross, my son had to come and reassure us we were not under attack  ;D ;D

claire

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 21:42 BST (UK)

It's flying about still, we don't know what it's doing  :o we keep going back for a look, I can't believe how quiet it is.

claire

EDIT: still looking through the parish records for more children for John and Sarah, there is such a large gap between the two I've found. Plus I haven't found a burial for John.

Title: Re: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents?
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 21:52 BST (UK)

Hehe 'War of the Worlds',  ;D
I saw my first one just a couple of months ago, the road behind our house, I quickly ran inside (felt like I was being spied upon). They're strange things

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 22:00 BST (UK)

I should have realised what it was, but it was so unexpected. I wouldn't mind but I went to see that new film with Helen Mirren and Alan Rickman a few weeks back "Eye in the Sky". Very thought provoking but very good

Claire

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 22:17 BST (UK)

I think I've worked it out (must be because the topic got very long),

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 22:18 BST (UK)

Think the subject is Part 2 now  :)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 22:25 BST (UK)

Yes, it was getting a bit long  :o

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 22:27 BST (UK)

I'm so happy we're still able to continue with the Elliott's and Helleyley's. 

It was definitely getting long though  :)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Monday 23 May 16 22:30 BST (UK)

Well I'm going to bed now Claire (exhausted again), tomorrow might have to be the research day for me

Goodnight, speak tomorrow :)
(Good morning to pinefamily when he wakes  :)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 22:34 BST (UK)

Good night Heidi, sleep well. :)

Speak tomorrow :)

claire

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 23 May 16 23:44 BST (UK)

There's a post on RC somewhere ~ FindMyPast is free this week  ;D

EDIT: Found this marriage in an abstract from the Felkirk registers

8 April 1666 Richard Bedford and Lydia HELLALYE

possible sister for Sarah maybe :)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~langhornline/felkirk_bt_transcripts.html

Just doing a google search and found some Yorkshire burials, I shouldn't laugh but the minister had a right way with words

1679 Susan Brigg, with child by Tim Stocks, he ran away refusing to marry her, was deliver'd and died, Aug 18. Roger Stocks took care of it

1692~ George Boyl of Shelf was laughing, fell down in a palsey fitt in the ffold May 8

1692~ 1692 Mrs Esther Lister of Shipden Hall died in bed by her husband Jan 26, aged 60

1702~ Richard Walker of Bingly, long melancholy, now better, was found dead in his bed, buryed aged 64

Can't imagine what they may say when it's my turn  :o :o

claire

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 24 May 16 01:29 BST (UK)

Good night everyone  ;D

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 24 May 16 03:39 BST (UK)

I wish all registers were like that with all that colour and extra information.
Except for Tim maybe....  ::)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Tuesday 24 May 16 08:17 BST (UK)

Morning/evening all,

Those yorkshire burials look fun to read,  ;D

Do you find the Felkirk registers on findmypast?  I'd say Lydia Hellalye could be a sister of Sarah too, not sure how you manage to find all these names, you must be a natural at researching :)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 24 May 16 08:31 BST (UK)

Good morning both of you 😀

I don't consider myself a natural.... Obsessed more like  :o
Seriously Mr Go*gle is my best friend.

Claire

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 24 May 16 08:46 BST (UK)

Sorry, Good Evening Pinefamily,🐍

How do people get hold of you email address ? I've had quite a nasty email this morning. I only read the title, haven't opened it, just got rid of it.

Back in a bit 😀

Going to get something to eat and a cuppa ☕️

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Tuesday 24 May 16 09:14 BST (UK)

Hi Claire.

Sorry I've no idea how people get hold of email addresses but it's good that you didn't read it and just got rid of it :)

I wonder what today will bring, the sun is shining here. Shame I've to go to work and a dentist appointment later  :(

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 24 May 16 10:29 BST (UK)

Hi Claire and Heidi,
You'd be surprised how many of these companies that you give your details to actually sell them to others. Plus there are those who get personal information from the net; facebook is bad for identity theft etc.

Back on topic, that link you gave above, Claire, seems to have been taken from the same manuscript we want. Pity they didn't transcribe the whole thing.  ::)
So Heidi, are you familiar with the LDS family history centres?

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 24 May 16 10:46 BST (UK)

I knew it was a dud from the subject line, it basically said it had seen my profile pic on Twitter.
Complete rubbish, I haven't got one pic of me on Twitter, FB or here, just a private one on Anc*

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Tuesday 24 May 16 11:33 BST (UK)

Hi pinefamily

Yes I've heard of the LDS family search, though it's something I haven't really looked into (will do now  :) )

I've got to dash to work now but will try check on here after lunch and if not this evening.

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Tuesday 24 May 16 11:35 BST (UK)

Hi Claire,
I'd just keep ignoring and deleting any rubbish emails :)
Work now for me  :(
Speak later

Heidi

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 24 May 16 11:41 BST (UK)

Speak later Heidi, have a lovely day at work

 :)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Tuesday 24 May 16 22:38 BST (UK)

Hi Claire/pinefamily

I've had a really busy day and night so haven't had chance for any research etc
Hopefully I will tomorrow  ;D

How are things with you both?

Heidi :)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 24 May 16 22:55 BST (UK)

Hi Heidi

Had a pretty naff day if truth be told. Glad the day is nearly over  ;D

I'm not sure where your local LDS centre where you are, but it is free to view those registers for Felkirk, but I have found a site where they can be purchased also, quite reasonably priced too. They are not on the web, I've looked everywhere I can think

https://www.parishchest.com/index.php?cmd=searchfor&searchfor=felkirk&pageOffset=1

claire

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Tuesday 24 May 16 23:09 BST (UK)

Hi Claire,

Thank you for the link, that's really worth knowing about and at a reasonable price too, that's really good :)
Aww sorry you've had a naff day, let's hope tomorrow's a better one for you :)

Title: Re: Robert Elliott - 1752 Dewsbury - Parents? Part 2
Post by: hmserge on Tuesday 24 May 16 23:11 BST (UK)

Goodnight
Speak tomorrow

Heidi :)