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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: manawakian on Thursday 26 May 16 23:31 BST (UK)
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Atty ALLEN was baptised 17 Mar 1811 at St Keverne. He married Grace DOWNING on 16 Feb 1832 at St Keverne. Their first 2 children were born at St Keverne, the next 5 at Helston and the last 2 at Truro.
Atty was away from home in the 1851 census and Grace is shown as a widow in the 1861 census.
Since their last child was born in 1854 this narrows the range of his death to 1853-1860, but this cannot be found at FreeBMD.
Would like to know when and where he died.
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Have you discounted the 1863 death on FreeBMD registered at St Austell? It wouldn't be the first time I've seen "widow" when the husband was still alive.
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Atty was recorded as Anthony in the 1841 census but all other historical documents have him as Atty, so think death should have been registered under that name.
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What was his occupation?
You say he was away from home in 1851
If he was a seafaring man, then maybe he died at sea.
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Hi
Looking at the children, one of the older ones MARK who can possibly be traced in the census, and looked to be married in Jan 1861 just before the census, is with wife Sarah in that census.
He married 13 January to Sarah Pascoe, what is interesting is on the certificate the brides father is noted as DECEASED, if 'Atty' was dead by this time I should think that would have been recorded on the certificate. However, on this certificate father is down as 'WILLIAM' ???
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6Q8Q-WLZ?i=155&wc=3CBZ-HZ3%3A138123201%2C141731901%2C141783801%3Fcc%3D1769414&cc=1769414
He's the correct age on 1861 census to be Graces son and in the right area, and isn't with Grace and the rest of the family.
I can't see another marriage of a Mark Allen to rule him out and say it's not him.
claire
The earlier generations of this family appear in my family tree :)
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There is a death of a Mark Allen in 1858, registered in the March quarter in Falmouth. :-\
Edit: and another in MAr 1856 in Truro. :-X
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Mark Allen aged 13months buried 31 Jan 1858 Perranarworthal, 4 miles from Falmouth.
claire :)
EDIT: I will have a look for another burial in 1856 :o
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Atty is shown as a carpenter (not ship's carpenter) in 1841. Grace is shown as carpenter's wife and oldest son Thomas as carpenter in 1851.
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Stephen ALLEN marriage 9 Mar 1873 shown here. The fact that Atty is not shown as deceased may be discounted by the observation that showing fathers as deceased does not seem to be routine in these parish records.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SK9-21J?i=239&wc=3CBZ-7M3%3A138123201%2C142230501%2C142235901%3Fcc%3D1769414&cc=1769414
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I know what you are saying, it's not conclusive. But the marriage of Mark Allen and Sarah Pascoe, her father (John) was deceased, I would have thought if Atty had been deceased at this time it would have said, if he is the correct Mark Allen.
Have you followed any of the family through ? Is that Mark in the 1861 census with wife Sarah, Grace's son ?
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There were 2 Mark ALLENs both age 5 recorded in the 1841 census of Helston district. Father of one found in Wendron parish was Atty, father of other found in St Martin parish was William.
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Right so we can rule that marriage out, and Mark Allen probably died 1856, thanks to pinefamily finding that :)
Now to find Atty ???
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I think we can rule out the 1863 death I found. There is an Anthony Allen on the 1851 census, born c.1789, in St Austell. :(
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Completely back to the drawing board ???
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Maybe not. How far would a carpenter travel for work?
There is an Anthony Allen death registered in Westbury June quarter 1856. I know some of my stonemason ancestors travelled far and wide.
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I can't see Atty in the 1851 census? :-\
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The only reference to an Atty Allen I found was in Ireland 1839 , some sort of fox and hounds hunting man ???
Just thought I'd try newspapers but didn't expect to find anything at all ;D
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I wouldn't worry about not seeing him in 1851 ~ I don't think anyone can see him :o
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There was a Grace Allen death registered at Truro Jan-Mar 1861 vol 5c pg 115. What are the chances that the local registrar mistakenly used the spouses name when forwarding to the GRO?
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The trouble is there are lots of different parishes within the Truro registration district, and there a fair few Grace Allens that appear in the 1861 census.
I suppose mistakes could be made, but I doubt it. We would have to try and find a burial record in the area for a Grace Allen 1861.
claire :)