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My g- grandfather John Horrobin born 1841-42 was married to Mary Jane Foden in 1864,Manchester Cathedral.
His father is documented as Joseph.
John is a carter,he is in the 1891 census living in Bradford,Manchester.
His eldest son is Joseph.His daughter Alice Ann Horrobin is my grandmother,his youngest son was Abraham.
I have not been able to find John Horrobin's birth certificate,even though the trail is
Joseph to John to Joseph the eldest son of John.
I am hoping there is someone who could do a look-up for me.
Isobell King
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Hi,
The marriage cert records John's age as 21 and therefore born c.1843.
There is a birth of a John Horrobin -
q3 1843, Manchester
Vol 20 Page 533
This could be worth looking at :)
JJ
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Did you mean to put this in the Durham forum?
A tree on Ancestry has his birth as March quarter 1841 Manchester Volume 20 Page 659
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There is a marriage of a Richard Horobin (20) to a Mary Sweeney-
15 Dec 1861 Manchester (Cathedral)
Father - Joseph Horobin, Dresser
Wits - Elizabeth Clarke and John Horobin.
It would appear that Richard is a sibling of John as their father's name and occupation is the same on the above marriage cert and that of the John you are researching.
JJ
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Possible 1851 -
Joseph Horobin 70
Richard Horobin son u 30
Ann Horobin Daughter In Law widow 37
Richard Horobin 9
John Horobin 7
Grace Mathews 31
Ann Mathews 10
John Mathews 7
HO107 Piece 2226 Folio 604 Page 39
JJ
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1861 for the same family, however Richard and Ann are now recorded as married -
Richard Horabin mar 47
Ann Horabin mar 47
Richard Horabin 20
John Horabin 17
Elizabeth Horabin 8
Elizabeth Townley 60
RG 9 Piece 2946 Folio 90 Page 11
JJ
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1841 (as transcribed :) ) -
Joseph Horroling 30
Ann Horroling 25
Richard Horroling 2 Mo
HO107 Piece 577 Book 25 Folio 40 Page 38, Stone Street, Manchester.
All born in County
Looking at the image, Joseph's occupation could be 'Dresser' perhaps someone could look at the image to clarify the occupation please?
JJ
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There is a death of a Joseph Horabin -
q3, 1847, Manchester
Vol 20 Page 842
The website www.lancashirebmd.org.uk records the age of the above person as 39 and the Sub District as Ancoats (same as the 1841 previously posted). Also the ages of people over 15 years old were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years. So I'm of the opinion that the death in 1847 is that of the Joseph on the 1841.
JJ
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On Lancashire BMD there is a birth of a Richard Horrobin 1841, Ancoats and a John Horrobin 1843, both show their mother's name as Gregory.
From the 1861 previously posted there is a daughter of Richard and Ann called Elizabeth born c. 1853.
On Lancashire BMD her birth is recorded in 1852, Sub District London Road (same as 1861) mother's surname as Gregory :) .
JJ
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Dresser:
One who dresses another. A surgeon's assistant. Also one who operated a machine which prepared threads in the textile industry. Probably the last description.
As groom states there does not seem to be a relationship to County Durham. Manchester is a more likely place for the textile industry.
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You can also dress stone and slates - cut them to shape and size
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You are all great,I have seen all these possibilities but here is another piece of information working backward:my grandmother Alice Ann Horrobin stated her place of birth as Bradford,Manchester on her immigration form into Canada,1932
Alice Ann Married Harry Howarth,Collyhurst Memorial Church 1900.I ordered the marriage licence.
On the licence her father is John deceased'
1891 Census of Bradford,Manchester,shows John Horrobin,Mary J. Horrobin,Alice Ann,and John is a carter for a Brickseller,1881-71-61 corroborates his job as a carter.
Now there are two John Horrobin deaths between 1891 and 1900(,1895-1897) when Alice Ann marries Harry Howarth.
John and Mary Jane also had sons,John,Joseph and Abraham.I have research their births.
Still I can not find a birth record for John.
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Still I can not find a birth record for John.
Hi,
The marriage cert records John's age as 21 and therefore born c.1843.
There is a birth of a John Horrobin -
q3 1843, Manchester
Vol 20 Page 533
This could be worth looking at :)
JJ
Have you discounted the above birth for John?
JJ
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No I have not ruled it out,however,with out his parents names,I can't claim it,there is no proof.
Isobell
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No I have not ruled it out,however,with out his parents names,I can't claim it,there is no proof.
Isobell
You know his father's name and occupation from John's marriage cert. The ideal solution would be to order the birth cert. If the father's name/occupation is the same as the marriage cert then surely that would be a match?
JJ
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Y es I do know his father's name and if the birth showed Joseph as his father it would indeed be the proof I need,however,I try not to order certificates,in the past when I did so and it was wrong family,it is money spent for nothing.
I think I have 3 or 4 currently I have no use for.$200.oo spent for information that I have no use for.
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I'm afraid if you don't get the certificate, you probably won't be able to progress any further back. I think if you order the certificate from the GRO there is a way to say you don't want it unless the father is Joseph.
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i have at long last found John Horrobin's parents.Joseph Horrobin I knew from John's marriage to Mary Jane Foden 1864.
i found John and Mary Jane Foden marriage at the GRO which gave me Joseph Horrobin and Ann Gregory as his parents.
Thank you all for the help.
Isobell