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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: amberly on Tuesday 31 May 16 16:01 BST (UK)
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This is a message for Sandra who seems so knowledgeable & has had wonderful answers.
I'm searching the Langford family of Edmonton who emigrated from Tryddyn, Flintshire in N Wales & have found loads, more than I expected, but am stuck now on births & deaths for these people.
Edward William Langford emigrated 1st in 1906 & I've found him on passenger lists & wonderful info about the family on the Alberta Homestead Records, living nr Red Deer. I've found 5 children for him but wonder if he had more & who did they marry & when & what children did they have. I found he & his wife moved in later years to live in Edmonton probably because he had brothers & a sister there & maybe some of his own children moved there?? Also found their deaths on an online grave site. Edw lived to be 90 & Ellen his wife to 95, all that hard work homesteading certainly did them good & they lived in a house 18'x14', the size of the family room in my home now!
However I have not had such good results for his siblings who emigrated after him.
His sister Kate [Katherine]married in Wales to a George Roberts, saddler & he emigrated 1st in 1912 & then Kate, sister Hannah, unmarried, later married Bert Hart & had a son Hubert, brother Walter, bricklayer & wife Elizabeth, married in Wales,& brother David Owen, wheelwright & his wife Maggie, also married in Wales, all emigrated together on the Megantic in 1913. I really have not had much luck finding their children & grandchildren. I did however find that David O died 5 years after emigrating to Edmonton, aged 35 & he had a daughter Dillis [Dilys] & a 6 month unnamed son in 1916. Did his wife eventually remarry?? What children & grandchildren did Walter & Elizabeth have? Kate & George Roberts had a son Bryn who died aged 11 1/2 I know that from the family & another son David Ivor, called Ivor.
However I'm stuck now with finding much of what they did after they got to Edmonton.
I'd really appreciate anything you can help me with or direct me to look at myself. I use Ancestry worldwide which is where I've got all my info from, but have not found Family Search any good for Edmonton. Thank you so much. Amberly.
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Hi,
Thank you for those kind words. Hopefully a few more "chatters" will join in finding the information you would like. If you could give a few birth dates for the siblings it would help us ???
Perhaps an e-mail to Edmonton public library might throw up obituaries for Edward and Ellen and name some relatives ??? Always worth a try ;)
http://www.epl.ca/
For information purposes - Although you have this info already, will post so that others can hopefully join in.
1921 Red Deer Alberta -
Edward Langford 46 Born Wales. Parents Born Wales.
Ellena Langford 40 Born England.
Ella Langford 15 Born Wales.
John Langford 13 Born Alberta.
Edward Langford 11 Born Alberta.
David Langford 9 Born Alberta.
Glayds Langford 1 Born Alberta.
Edward W Langford is buried at Westlawn Memorial Gardens Edmonton Edmonton Census Division
Alberta - 1965 - as per FIND A GRAVE
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=148931908&ref=acom
and his wife Ellen passed away 1975
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=langford&GSiman=1&GScid=2169828&GRid=148931909&
Sandra
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There was a border crossing Canada to the USA for David George Langford born 1911 Alta Canada - aged 23 years - Port of Arrival Sweet Grass, Montana on the 23 July 1934. Father Edward W Langford - David was going to a George Graves in Chicago Illinois - 1914 Sherman Avenue Evanston Illinois - occupation farrier.
FIND A GRAVE
David George Langford born 1911 passed away 1987 -
Burial: Darwell Cemetery Darwell Whitecourt Census Division Alberta.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=120454580&ref=acom
I would think think was his wife Dorothy Langford buried in the same cemetery - born 1915 passed away 1998 - Dorothy maiden surname Helm.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=langford&GSiman=1&GScid=2370818&GRid=120454579&
Sandra
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I believe this to be John Owen Langford born 1907 and passed away 2005 -
FIND A GRAVE
Burial Dungannon Cemetery Clyde Whitecourt Census Division Alberta.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93663552&ref=acom
wife Lila Langford 1913 - 1999
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93663553
Listed on the Daily Times Obit Index -
http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=LANGFORD%2C%20John%20Owen&type=Keyword
http://albertagenealogy-research.ca/Data/Papers/1995-1999EJ/1995-1999EJIndexPage297.html
Sandra
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The obituary for John mentions those children who appeared on census up until 1921.
Published in The Edmonton Journal from Mar. 29 to Mar. 31, 2005 -
John Owen Langford - October 6th, 1907-March 26th, 2005 "A Great Musician" On 26 March 2005 John Owen Langford of Westlock, formerly of Clyde, Alberta passed away peacefully at the age of 97 1/2 years. John spent his entire life making people happy with music. etc etc
John was predeceased by his son Jack, wife Lila, grandson Victor, brothers Edward and Dave and sisters Ella and Gladys.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/edmontonjournal/obituary.aspx?n=john-langford&pid=3350564
Sandra
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This could be the grandson mentioned in the above obituary - Victor Donald Langford, grandson of John, son of Jack Langford (also deceased) - names his mother and step-father - plus siblings.
Victor Donald Langford On Sunday, August 17, 2003 Victor Langford of Edmonton passed away at the age of 40 years after a courageous battle with brain cancer - etc etc.,
Published in The Edmonton Journal on Aug. 19, 2003
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/edmontonjournal/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=157387447
Listed on the Daily Times Obituary Index
Victor Donald Langford - 40 years - Edmonton AB; Edmonton J; 2003-8-19; laurajt
http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=ab&type=Keyword&Start=119650
Sandra
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Fabulous, what more can I say? The posts are coming in faster than I can read them but I'm sure they are all correct. Great idea to contact the library, never thought of that.
The birth dates for the siblings are Kate Roberts nee Langdon & her husband George both born in 1885.
Hannah b 1890 & married Bert Hart in Edmonton.
Walter b 1888 & wife Elizabeth b 1889.
David Owen b 1884, d 1918 [his gravestone reads "late of Tryddyn, Wales" & his wife Maggie b 1886. I wonder if she remarried????
All this info is wonderful, thank you so much.
Amberly
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You're very welcome - pleased to help ;) A little relaxation after another funeral :'( :'(
Canadian Attestation Papers (2 pages) for George Roberts born 25 January 1886 - wife Kate Roberts - address in 1916 - 7603 - 90 th Avenue Edmonton - occupation harness maker - 151 st Overseas Batt CEF. These files are in the process of being digitalised and will contain lots more pages of info - at the moment - Latest box digitized: Box 4810 and Jellyman surname.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=613528
https://thediscoverblog.com/category/digitization-2/
Sandra
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1921 census shows George and Kate with a son - Strathcona Alberta
George Roberts 35
Kate Roberts 55 (age for Kate was transcribed incorrectly should be 35)
George Roberts 5 Born Alta.
Sandra
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This bit you have - but it might help others who will search - 1916 - Sarcee 18, Strathcona, Alberta.
Bert Hart 32 Hannah Hart 26
Hubert Hart 0
1921 86 th Street Strathcona Alberta
Herbert J Hart 36
Hannah Hart 30
Herbert J Hart 5
Edward Hart 1
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Hannah Hart 1869 - 1986 - think that should read 1890/91 - 1986
Burial Mount Pleasant Municipal Cemetery Edmonton Edmonton Census Division
Alberta, Canada - Plot: H 0003 0030
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=45456762&ref=acom
http://webproxy.edmonton.ca/external/cemeteries/default.aspx
Herbert J Hart - 1882 - 1960
Burial Mount Pleasant Municipal Cemetery Edmonton Edmonton Census Division
Alberta, Canada - Plot: H 0003 0030
http://webproxy.edmonton.ca/external/cemeteries/default.aspx
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=hart&GSiman=1&GScid=639338&GRid=45456761&
http://albertagenealogy-research.ca/Data/Papers/1985-1989EJ/1985-1989EJIndexPage172.html
Sandra
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Pvt Herbert John D Hart - born inn England - Canadian Expeditionary Force - next of kin wife Mrs Hannah Hart - Silver Heights Blk 2 Edmonton Alta - 202nd Battalion - (this may take a little while to load - alphabetical order)
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e444/e011087773.pdf
1945 Canada Voters List - Herbert John Hart (Mechanic) Mrs Herbert Hart, Edward Hart (druggist) Ken Hart (student) - 6604 Jasper Avenue Edmonton.
1953/58 Canada Voters List shows Herbert John Hart (retired) - Hannah Hart - and Laurence Hart (student) all living at 8536 84 th Ave Strathcona Edmonton.
Back in a while
Sandra ;)
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Once again thanks a million. I've been out grocery shopping but shall sit down now & work my way through all of it now. I have a PC from a Welsh rellie which says " I think myself you you will be much better over there than here . Everything looks very black round here, colliers on strike . I'm thankful you went away & David & Walter too."
Wales is a very pretty country, particularly now all the lead & coal mines have closed, I was born there but live in Canada now, but do enjoy going home every so often for a visit.
Thank you so much once again.
Amberly
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Walter Langford aged 25 years appears on a Canadian Passenger List - with Elizabeth Langford aged 24 years - David Langford aged 29 years and Maggie aged 27 years. Arriving 21 April 1913 - on the Megantic - Liverpool to Halifax Nova Scotia.
Walter and Lizzie 8743, 96, Ave, Edmonton South 18 Strathcona Alberta in 1916
Walter Langford 28 and Lizzie Langford 26
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U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 - Crossing St Albans Vermont - Maggie Langford - aged 33 years - born Tryddyn - Wales - - Port of arrival Winnipeg Manitoba - December 1918 - also travelling Dilys ??? (could be Dillis) (female) aged 5 years - Wilfred Langford aged 3 years. Last address 9401 - 92 St Edmonton Alta - Nearest relative or friend in country from whence came was sister-in-law - Eliza Hughes - 9401 - 92 Edmonton Alta - going to brother Peter Roberts Barrington Illinois.
Sandra
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So they finally named their 6 month old son Wilfred. She must have gone to her brother Peter for Xmas if it was Dec 1918 as her husband David had just died, 8 Nov 1918. Maybe she stayed in the US after that & didn't return to Canada. I didn't know of her bro Peter either, so shall look him up now. This is never ending, but great!
Thanks again. Amberly.
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UK Return Passenger List - New York to Liverpool - arriving 14 June 1919 on the Cramania - shows - David Wilfred Langford aged 3 years - Dilys Margaret aged 5 years - and Margaret Langford - widow - aged 33 years - going to 87 Bell Road, Seacombe, Cheshire - Country of intended future residence England.
Sandra
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Shall try to find a remarriage in the UK now. Her parents maybe were living in Seacombe, I shall look it all up. You're amazing, thanks again! A
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Is this the Langford family ???
1891 Tryddyn Flintshire
Owen Langford 31 Sarah A Langford 26
Edward G Langford 1 Elizabeth Langford 40
Robert J Langford 17 Elizabeth Langford 12
Mary J Langford 10 David O Langford 8
Kate Langford 6 Walter Langford 3
Hannah Langford
Sandra
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UK Return Passenger List - Montreal to Liverpol arriving 8 December 1920 - Walter Langford - aged 32 years - Elizabeth aged 31 years and daughter Olwen aged 3 years. Country of intended future residence - British Province. Going to Pen Y Wern, Tryddynn, Near Mold.
Sandra
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Have you lost Mary J Langford ??? The 1911 Census Strathcona Alberta shows -
William O Jones 32 Born Wales. Carpenter. Imm 1908.
Mary Jones 29 Born Wales
Kannie Jones 10 Born August 1901 England. (name could be Jeannie ???)
David Longford 28 Brother. Wheelwright.
Walter Langford 23 Brother. Bricklayer.
Sandra
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There is a marriage Chorlton - 8c 1708 - June 1901 - Mary J Langford and William Jones.
Sandra
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1921 89 14 88th Ave Strathcone Edmonton
William Jones 43 Carpenter
Mary Jones 40
James Jones 19 Carter - this is a daughter who works in a store (can't read the name or occupation)
Sandra
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Attestation Papers for William Jones -
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=340610
Sandra
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We never knew what happened to Mary Jane, we kind of lost her, so very pleased you found her. We didn't know who she'd married, so I'll follow her up now too. I'm pretty sure I've found a remarriage for Maggie & she had 3 more children & I've also found a marriage for Dilys & she seems to have had 1 child. So you've made me really busy now. I have to go now & get the supper but I'll get back to all this later.
I'm so happy with all your results, again many thanks. Amberly
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Enjoy ;)
Sandra
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Having a re-read - Going back to reply 46 to fill in a few gaps - - in the obituary for John Owen Langford, a son ("I" and his wife "J") were mentioned - This is the obituary for the father of the wife of "I" -
On Monday, June 7, 2010, Mr. George Dary of Edmonton, formerly of Willingdon, Alberta passed away peacefully at the age of 92 years etc etc.............................
Interment - St. Mary the Protectress Ukrainian Orthodox Church Cemetery of Borowtzi (Borowich), Willingdon, Alberta.
http://parkmemorial.com/book-of-memories/474653/George-Dary/obituary.php?Printable=true
Sandra
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Going back to reply 47 - Victor Donald Langford
Victor D. Langford - 1963-2003 (son of Jack E Langford 1936 - 1985) (grandson of John Owen Langford)
Burial - Westlawn Memorial Gardens & Edmonton Crematorium, Section - B
16310 Stony Plain Road , Edmonton, SW 03-53-25 W4 Edmonton, Alberta.
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1534851?PHPSESSID=238ea24bc9dfbe56b433009782707e0d
Sandra
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The grave reference of Victor Donald Langford above - Section B was also used for "Billy" William Langford 1944 - 1959 ??? Wonder if there is a connection there.
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1624799?PHPSESSID=238ea24bc9dfbe56b433009782707e0d
Sandra
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Probate for Walter Langford - passed away 2 November 1955 - Flintshire Wales
Sandra
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Olwen Langford - Marriage - Apr-May-Jun 1951 Holywell Flintshire
Spouse: John E Jones - Volume Number - 8a - Page Number - 809
Sandra
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Well you've been at it before I'm even up! Thanks for all this morning's efforts. I have friends coming for lunch today so have to hop to it but will inwardly digest all of this later. Just to say that Walter left a tidy some of money when he died, I must say! In 1950 Edward William, Walter's bro, & his wife Ellen, went to stay at Ty Newydd [means new house] for a holiday from Canada & I wondered who's house it was. That Will answered a number of queries I had.
Thanks again, Amberly
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Canada Voters List shows a George Roberts (retired) and Mrs Kate Roberts - 8516 89 th Street Edmonton in 1958.
Sandra
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Going back to the 1945 Canada Voters List - there is a George Roberts - Elevator Op - Mrs George Roberts and Ivor Roberts A S - all residing at 8516 - 89 th Street Edmonton East Alberta.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1958 - 57 th Streeet Edmonton - Ivor D Robert (Pub Relations) Mrs M Roberts and Anne McWhirter.
Canada Voters List 1962 - 57 th Street Edmonton - Ivor D Roberts (salesman) Margaret Roberts and Mrs Thomas McWhirter (widow)
Canada Voters List 1968 - 93a Ave Edmonton - Ivor D Roberts (salesman) Mrs Margaret M Roberts and Mrs Anne G McWhirter.
Canada Voters List 1972 - 93 a Ave Edmonton - Ivor D Roberts (salesman) Mrs Margaret Roberts (clerk) Mrs Anne McWhirter (retired) and Brynn T Roberts (unemp)
Brynn T - was a student in 1974
Sandra
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The Daily Times Obituary INdex lists a David Ivor Roberts - aged 77 years - passed away 2000
David Ivor Roberts - 77 years - Edmonton Alberta Edmonton J; 2000-4-2; laurajt
http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi
Sandra
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2000-2001 Edmonton Jounal Index
David Ivor Roberts - Edmonton Alberta - 2000 - 77 years - born 1923
http://albertagenealogy-research.ca/Data/Papers/2000-2002EJ/2000-2001EJIndexPage293.html
Sandra
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This could well be the mother of David's wife - There was an Annie McWhirter passed away 26 May 1979 Edmonton (maiden surname could be Gorrie)
MCWHIRTER ANNIE 05/26/1979 EDMONTON M 53 11
http://webproxy.edmonton.ca/external/cemeteries/default.aspx
http://albertagenealogy-research.ca/Data/Papers/1975-1979EJ/1975-1979EJIndexPage242.html
Sandra
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This looks like husband of Annie McWhirter (father of David's wife "M")
Thomas McWhirter 05/26/1951 EDMONTON 0M 0053 0012
http://webproxy.edmonton.ca/external/cemeteries/default.aspx
Sandra
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This could be Edward Hart born 1920 - son of Herbert J and Hannah Hart. Passed away 1997.
FIND A GRAVE
Edward "Ted" Hart
Burial New Norway Cemetery New Norway Lloydminster Census Division Alberta.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=HART&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GScntry=10&GSsr=121&GRid=59863073&
WIFE - Ione "Tootsie" Hart (nee Malmo) 1920 - 1987
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=HART&GSiman=1&GScid=2322322&GRid=59863092&
http://www.canadianheadstones.com/ab/view.php?id=43547
Sandra
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A possible for the couple on the Canada Voters List 1949 - Edmonton West - 106 th Avenue - E Langford (salesman) and Mrs Iola Langford.
Sandra
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Good morning Sandra, I can't believe you keep finding more, thanks a lot. I'll hopefully get everything sorted today as it's supposed to rain so that will keep me indoors. I'll be able to write a book on them soon! The only sibling I haven't found now is Elizabeth Ann b1879. Haven't really had a concentrated look but found Robert John b1873 married & living up in the Durham area, gone I guess to The Durham coalfields. That's the whole family then. We've done a great job between us! With lots of help from you of course.
Thanks again. Amberly.
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U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 - Crossing St Albans Vermont - Maggie Langford - aged 33 years - born Tryddyn - Wales - - Port of arrival Winnipeg Manitoba - December 1918 - also travelling Dilys ??? (could be Dillis) (female) aged 5 years - Wilfred Langford aged 3 years. Last address 9401 - 92 St Edmonton Alta - Nearest relative or friend in country from whence came was sister-in-law - Eliza Hughes - 9401 - 92 Edmonton Alta - going to brother Peter Roberts Barrington Illinois.
Sandra
When Maggie crossed the border back in 1918 she listed her sister in law Eliza Hughes in Edmonton. This is most probably Elizabeth Langford who married Robert John Hughes - Holywell - Flintshire - Q3 1900.
Sandra
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1921 Census Edmonton
Robert J Hughes 43 Born Wales. Imm 1913. Messenger. Bank.
Elizabeth A Hughes 41 Born Wales. Imm 1913.
Mary E Hughes 1
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1940/45 - Robert J Hughes (bank messenger) and Mrs Robert Hughes - 92 nd Street.
Sandra
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So that's the Eliza Hughes who Maggie called her nearest rellie when she went over the border to the US to visit her brother after her husband Walter had died. Another mystery solved!
You're amazing! Thanks again. Amberly.
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Probate for the father in 1932
Sandra
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Probate - 2nd wife of Owen - Mary nee Trevor
Sandra
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Thanks again Sandra. I sat down last night & went through all the Langford probates I could find & found these 2 of course plus many more I'll have to plough through, but I'm getting there. It's finding the time with all the other things that are going on but there's no great rush!
So ever grateful to you, you've done a wonderful job. Thanks again, Amberly.
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Your very welcome - nice to fill all the gaps.
Sandra
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This is not the father actually of the family who emigrated to Canada. Their mother Elizabeth was his 2nd wife, he & his first wife Hannah had no children. This is another Owen, the name was used frequently in the family which just helps to make the search more challenging! This Mary was named Trevor & then married an Oldfield & was a widow when she married this Owen. I didn't know they had a daughter named Sarah however so have to investigate her. I only knew of a dau named Jane. Oh this is such fun!!! Thanks again, Amberly
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Hello Amberly
You might like to take a look at the Langford entries from Treuddyn which are on my website.
They are a bit earlier than you are researching at the moment but you never know you might link up eventually! If you find that your search for the Langfords takes you outside Treuddyn into other parishes in the Denbighshire/Flintshire area I could probably fill in more information. Just let me know.
Best wishes
Jill Rose
www.clwydsurnames.org.uk
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Hi Jill,
Thanks for this info. I'd be pleased to know of more in the Denbighshire area. Reply to me privately please so I can give you my email address as this research has become complicated & I can explain what I'm up against.
Thanks so much,
Amberly.
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That's a bit tricky, Amberly, as Rootschat doesn't reveal private em addresses. You can use mine from the home page on my website.
Jill
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The Langfirds you are mentioning here are my family... John Owen and Lila were my grandparents, Victor was my first cousin, etc. My mom (John Owens daughter) has been writing a history of our family. So interesting to come across this site!
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Hi Bon R,
Are you in Canada or Wales? I love it when someone else is able to use the info in a long chat like this, so glad it was of interest to you. Did your Mum [I see you call her MOM so you must be in Canada!] have all this info or was it of use to her too? Is it asking too much for you to forward me the history your Mom has written please?? I'd love to read it. If you give me your home email address I'll send you the history I compiled on the whole family if you & your Mom are interested.
It was good to hear from you.
Amberly.
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Bon R needs to make 3 posts in order to use the private message (PM) system in order to exhchange personal details like email addresses. Just to say "Hi" would do it. Please don't put such details on the open public forum to protect your privacy.
Regards
PB
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Hello Amberly
Yes, we now live in Vancouver, but are originally from the Edmonton area. I would love to see the history that you have compiled but not sure how to send you my email privately....or do I just post it on here? Thank you for your response.
Kind regards,
Bonnie
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Thank you for letting me know how to access the private messaging, Polarbear. This is now my third post, so we'll see how it works Bonnie
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Great! It's always best to keep things like email addys away from the public eye. Let us know if you have any problems sending your PM.
PB
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Hello Amberly,
I've sent you a PM with my email address.... first time doing this, so not positive that it made it to you. If not, please let me know and I'll get it sorted and try again.
Kind regards,
Bon R
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Yes, I've got it & am in the process of sending the Langford tree to you. Amberly