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Title: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Saturday 04 June 16 00:24 BST (UK)
My ancestor, Thomas Coldwell, is in the 1841 census, living with his wife, Jane (née Smith), in Kelfield, Stillingfleet, Yorkshire.

He appears to die in Sep 1845, although as yet I do not have the cert.

Problem is I do not know where he comes from. Does anyone have an idea or even a strategy to work this out?

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 04 June 16 00:43 BST (UK)
Hi

The marriage transcript says he was from Stillingfleet, Jane from Bubwith. From the census he was born c1776 and in the county.

There is this one in the Brayton parish records, which is only 12 miles from Stillingfleet

Thomas Colwell bpt. 22 Apr 1775 son of John

claire
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 04 June 16 09:54 BST (UK)

This John Colwell had another child in Brayton, a daughter Mary. She was the third daughter, but Mary and Thomas were the only two I can see in Brayton. Here is her record, I've added it because of the amount of info in the record.

Mary born 26 April 1782 and bpt. 28 April 1782 dau. of John and Ann Colwell.

Mary Colwell third daughter of John Colwell of Barlow in this parish , labourer, son of Joseph Colwell of Birkin, farmer and Ann his wife, daughter of Henry Allisson, blacksmith of Leadstone.

Ann daughter of Thomas Richardson of Barlow in this parish blacksmith and Mary his wife daughter of John Roads of Goold in the parish of Swinfleet, farmer.

claire
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Saturday 04 June 16 20:48 BST (UK)
That's incredible!

What's your source: is it Ancestry or FamilySearch?
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 04 June 16 21:15 BST (UK)

Findmypast 😀 This site has  the record of Thomas's baptism and that of his potential sibling. :)

Hope this helped  :)
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Saturday 04 June 16 21:17 BST (UK)
It's fabulous. And I think burial for John in 1800 (b. 1738)?

I used to subscribe but let it go as the tree function was not working.

Can you supply?

And let me know whether that function works again?
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 05 June 16 01:11 BST (UK)
Will help tomorrow, on a family night out  ???

Claire
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 05 June 16 13:55 BST (UK)
Hi scatchardfamily

I haven't got a tree on FindMyPast I just took advantage of the £1 offer  ;D, but I have to say I do like the site and everything seems to work ok for me.

Here are some more records

John COWLWELL of Barlow in this parish labourer was buried 23rd December 1800 in Brayton Churchyard aged 62.

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Think this is possibly his wife's burial in St Mary's Churchyard, Selby ( Brayton being a parish within Selby)

Ann COLWELL of Selby buried 17th August 1785 Selby churchyard, aged 40, died of consumption.

her baptism: Ann daughter of Thomas Richardson of Barlow bpt. 7 June 1741 Brayton.

claire
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 05 June 16 14:36 BST (UK)
MARRIAGE:

Ann Richardson married John Cowldwell 3 Dec 1767 Selby, Yorkshire.

Found another child

John COLWEL born 28 April 1778 bpt. 5 May 1778
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 05 June 16 15:37 BST (UK)
And this death registration

Thomas COLWELL Dec. Qtr. 1845 Selby registration district. Vol: 23 Page: 377

and this burial

Thomas COLWELL buried 15 Dec 1845 aged 71 , Selby, BRAYTON, Yorkshire.

claire
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Friday 09 December 16 23:21 GMT (UK)
MARRIAGE:

Ann Richardson married John Cowldwell 3 Dec 1767 Selby, Yorkshire.

Found another child

John COLWEL born 28 April 1778 bpt. 5 May 1778

THANK YOU SO MUCH! And sorry for the delay as I have been out of forum.

When you say Selby, do you mean at the Abbey?

And the baptism of John - is this in Brayton?
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 09 December 16 23:41 GMT (UK)
Hi

Yes the marriage was at Selby Abbey, here are a few more details

John COWLDWELL of the parish of Nabourn ( Naburn ?) and Ann Richardson of this parish married 3 December after Banns

He signed register, she left her mark

Witnesses: Nicholas Smith and Thomas Richardson
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 09 December 16 23:48 GMT (UK)
This is a good baptism lots of info from the register at BRAYTON

John COLWEL second son of JOHN COLWELL of Barlow in this parish a labourer.Son of Joseph COLWEL of Birkin farmer by Ann his wife daughter of Henry Allison of Leadstone, Blacksmith

Ann daughter of Thomas Richardson in the parish Blacksmith by Mary his wife daughter of  John Roads of Goold in the parish of Swinfleet farmer

born 28 April 1778 bpt. 5 May 1778
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Friday 09 December 16 23:51 GMT (UK)
This must be a Dade entry? Are there others in this vein for the Coldwell family?

I don't seem to have a baptism for the John Colwell, father, who I presume was baptised 1738-ish. Also, I only have two children born to this John, and yet the second daughter (Mary) is described as the third.
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Saturday 10 December 16 02:18 GMT (UK)
Hi again

Sorry got a bit sidetracked

Right Mary's baptism is a Dades entry as is John's, Thomas is just "Thomas son of John .. " I can't see any more baptisms in Brayton for any children but you are right it does say third daughter.

The only baptism showing up on F M P is in Cawthorne near Barnsley which is about 30 miles from the Selby area for John bc1738.

John COLDWELL bpt. 5 Apr 1737 son of Joseph Coldwell, farmer.

claire
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Thursday 16 March 17 20:33 GMT (UK)
Hi

Yes the marriage was at Selby Abbey, here are a few more details

John COWLDWELL of the parish of Nabourn ( Naburn ?) and Ann Richardson of this parish married 3 December after Banns

He signed register, she left her mark

Witnesses: Nicholas Smith and Thomas Richardson

Hi Claire - how do you access specific marriages on FindMyPast? (The route to find the record set might be good to post.) I can only find two transcriptions of this marriage there. Or is your source something else?
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Thursday 16 March 17 23:28 GMT (UK)
Hi

I always try and think of different ways of spelling the surname/forename ~ sometimes ticking the variants box hasn't worked for me

Have to admit, its took me an age to find it, it is there though. I just put the year 1767 and Selby ~ no names , I can't think what it has been transcribed as, but here is a link.

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f007569074%2f00580

Hope this works
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Thursday 16 March 17 23:45 GMT (UK)
Hello Claire - many thanks once again and great to see the image. I have put those search terms in and I still only get the transcribed record; I can't seem to get a link to that image so still can't see how you get there.

I ask as there are several marriages I'd like to find but I can't seem to access the marriage registers - only baptisms and burials. What do you think?
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 17 March 17 00:22 GMT (UK)

Don't put any names in just a year and Selby ~ that's how I did it.

Does this work ?
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: scatchardfamily on Friday 17 March 17 00:31 GMT (UK)

Don't put any names in just a year and Selby ~ that's how I did it.

Does this work ?

No! Do you go to 'Marriages & Divorces' or just use the general search? Also, do you put in the year for event or marriage or both?

Anyway, I still got the transcription but no image or link to an image.
Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 17 March 17 00:45 GMT (UK)

Step by step ;D

On the home page click search ~ don't put anything in the search boxes

Next page: click on births/marriage/death and parish records ~ don't add anything in search boxes

Click marriages and divorces

Then edit search: just put in 1767 and '0' years give or take ( or whatever year you need)

Next line: the 'WHERE' box should have Britain written there, add Selby, Yorkshire in the box next to it.
Click search
You should see an alphabetical list of all marriages now.

Does this work ?

Title: Re: Elusive North Yorkshire ancestor
Post by: ..claire.. on Friday 17 March 17 00:47 GMT (UK)

If there is an image ~ there should be a camera. If you know the date, click on any marriage in that year and find it by scrolling back/forward through the pages. It may be transcribed wrongly

claire