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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: linda25g on Saturday 04 June 16 10:32 BST (UK)
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this has been driving me mad for days, my Hinton family lived in Ightfield and so far all have been related
I found a will for Thomas Hinton died 1843 Ightfield, he mentions late mother Mary, brother James and great nephew Thomas Hinton son of nephew Thomas Hinton butcher of Tilstock. He leaves most of his possessions to Elizabeth and Mary Emma Forrester daughters of Ann Forrester who live with him.
I originally thought this Thomas Hinton bap 1795 to Thomas Hinton and Mary, he was left property by his mother, has a brother James and a nephew Thomas a butcher in Tilstock 1841 with a son Thomas, so all fitted, until I found 1841 census for Ightfield showing a Thomas living with the Forresters mentioned but aged 70, then a burial for Thomas Hinton in Ightfield 1843 aged 75
try as I might I can't find a baptism for him or a suitable mar for a Hinton to a Mary for his parents, the 2 Thomas's I have in Tilstock in 1841 are the only Thomas Hinton butcher with a son Thomas but I can't see how Thomas who died 1843 can be their Uncle
link to the will on FindMyPast http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007620371%2f00279&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fwills%2f000533&highlights=%22%22
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Hi,
If I'm reading you right - you can't reconcile the Thomas HINTON age 70 in 1841 with the FORRESTER womenfolk, to the Thomas HINTON who died 1843 and left a will (mentioning mother Mary, brother James, nephew Thomas, gt nephew Thomas, the Forresters, etc)?
The 1841 Census instructions meant people age over 15, were supposed to have their ages rounded down to the nearest 5 years.
So someone age 73, would be recorded as 70. Someone age 78 would be recorded as 75. Someone aged 75 or 70 would be recorded as such. Someone age 19, would be recorded as 15. And so on.
Cheers
AMBLY
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There is a will in 1853 for a James HINTON of Tilstock, who had a mother named Mary.
There is a will in 1856 for a Thomas HINTON of Tilstock, who had a late** father named Thomas.
Just having a look through them now - but before I write out a whole novel ;D - do you happen to already know of these two men, and who they were? The brother and gt Nephew maybe?
** [Edit] My error : Thomas d 1856, his father was actually still alive and was one of his son's Executors. See later post below, will transcript.
Cheers
AMBLY
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I'm pretty sure the thomas in 1841 is the same one who died in 1843
Going to look at my tree now to see if I have the others you mentioned
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James HINTON who died, wil proved London 4th Jun 1853
He was of Tilstock, Salop.
Late mother named Mary .
Brother John Hinton - who is to receive the residue of the estate of their late mother.
Nephew Thomas Hinton, of the Red Lion Inn, Tilstock (son of John), to receive his estates in trust, and to be his executor.
Gt-Nephew Thomas Hinton, son of nephew Thomas, to receive the residue of his real & personal estate.
('His' refers to James)
Cheers
AMBLY
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There is a will in 1853 for a James HINTON of Tilstock, who had a mother named Mary.
There is a will in 1856 for a Thomas HINTON of Tilstock, who had a late father named Thomas.
Just having a look through them now - but before I write out a whole novel ;D - do you happen to already know of these two men, and who they were? The brother and gt Nephew maybe?
Cheers
AMBLY
The James is brother of my Thomas bap 1895
I thought the Thomas was the son of Thomas of Tilstock but his father was still living so going to read it now
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James HINTON who died, wil proved London 4th Jun 1853
He was of Tilstock, Salop.
Late mother named Mary .
Brother John Hinton - who is to receive the residue of the estate of their late mother.
Nephew Thomas Hinton, of the Red Lion Inn, Tilstock (son of John), to receive his estates in trust, and to be his executor.
Gt-Nephew Thomas Hinton, son of nephew Thomas, to receive the residue of his real & personal estate.
('His' refers to James)
Cheers
AMBLY
so confusing, this makes it sound like the Thomas who died 1843 would be brother to James, but James mother Mary nee Dicken was born about 1754 so wouldn't have had a son in 1768ish ???
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a thought on the above, Mary was bap 1754, it's possible she was older, going back to check records
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Hello
It seems that the butchers from Tilstock Shropshire are the son and grand son of
John Hinton and Martha Turner married by licence 19.9.1804 Ightfield wit John Turner and Mary Hinton.He is a butcher over 21.
Children Thomas Turner Hinton 1.1.1805
Elizabeth 22.6.1807
Anne 26.3.1809 all Ightfield.
Martha buried 5.1.1832 age 51 at Ightfield and John it looks like 3.9.1863 born 1780.at Whitchurch.
John looks like he was baptised at Whitchurch 19.12.1779 s of Thomas and Mary Hinton
sister Mary 24.3.1782 and brother Joseph 20.2.1785
There are possible siblings James 8.6.1777 at Whixall and Winifred 23.9.1775 she is married by licence at Ightfield by permission of widowed mother Mary 21.1.1794 to Samuel Moreton farmer of Wem.
And possibly John Dicken Hinton 23.3.1788 Ightfield and buried 11.1.1813 Ightfield
Burial of father Thomas 11.11.1790.
Mary possibly 28.8.1820 age 66 so born 1754.
This would fit with a marriage at Whitchurch 21.1.1772 Thomas Hinton of Hanmer and Mary Dicken wit John Dicken and John Hyde.
Your Thomas may be the Thomas s of Thomas Hinton baptised at Drayton in Hales 24.9.1766.
It's possible that Mary Dicken was Thomas senior's second wife which would explain why he died so much earlier.
ps burial for James at Tilstock 4.12.1852 born 1777
Ciderdrinker
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Hi
Me again there's a Will for Mary Hinton 1820 on FindMyPast which names her children Mary, James,Thomas ,John, Henry and Winifred wife of Samuel Moreton and stepmother Mary Dicken widow.
You should take a look.
Thomas 8.3.1773 Hanmer Flintshire baptism Thomas and Mary
Ciderdrinker
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Hi
Me again there's a Will for Mary Hinton 1820 on FindMyPast which names her children Mary, James,Thomas ,John, Henry and Winifred wife of Samuel Moreton and stepmother Mary Dicken widow.
You should take a look.
Ciderdrinker
thank you :)
I've looked at this will and Mary mentions a son Thomas but he can't be the Thomas who died 1843 aged 75, as Mary Hinton who died 1820 is buried in Ightfield age 66 so born 1853/1854
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Thomas HINTON who died 1856
I Thomas Hinton the younger of Tilstock, Shrop-
shire, Cattle Dealer, by this my Will and Testament give to my wife Mary
Hinton and her heirs my house and my hereditaments in Whixall, Shopshire.
I also give to her the Sum of two hundred pounds bequeathed to me by my
late Grandfather Moreton and now remaining a charge on property devised by
him also all my goods ---- and other Personal Estate of every description
I give to my said wife for her own use. I give the lands, hereditaments and real
estate devised to me by my late great uncle James Hinton and all other the
real estate of which I have power to dispose to my father Thomas Hinton
during his life and after his death to my Uncle James Hinton his heirs and
assigns and I charge my last ----------- real estate with the sum of four
hundred pounds to be paid at the end of six calendar months to my said wife
for her own benefit and direct that if my said father shall pay her that sum
he shall have a charge for the same on the said real estate devised to me by
my said Great Uncle James Hinton like a mortgage In ordinary ------ I
appoint my said wife Mary Hinton and my said father Thomas Hinton
Executors thereof and hereto set mu hand the twenty sixth day of October one
Thousand eight Hundred and fifty five. ~ Thomas Hinton ~ Signed and
published by the Testator Thomas Hinton the younger in our presense we being together in his presense and in his presense (sic) and in the presense of each other
hereto subscribing our names to the words to my father Thomas Hinton and his heirs being first obliterated and the words for the same” being underlined.
~ John Brown. ~ Wm. Wdwd. Jones.
Proved at London 10th May 1856 before the Judge by the Oaths of Mary
Hinton Widow the relict and Thomas Hinton the father the Executors to whom
Admon was granted having been first sworn by either duly to administer
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Note: I had earlier written this Thomas Hinton's father was 'late' - he wasn't as he was Executor to this will, my error. Also noting, this Thomas has both a Great Uncle James Hinton (late), and an Uncle James Hinton (living).
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Hi
I get that but what if the age is put to the side and Thomas was the first child born after the 1772 marriage or as I said from a earlier marriage of his father's and Mary Dicken who is leaving a Will is his stepmother who still calls him her son?
Thomas senior is from Hanmer on the 1772 marriage and I've just found this on FindMyPast
Thomas s of Thomas and Mary baptised Hanmer 8.3.1773 .
It's 5 years out for that age at burial and the census but who's to say how old he was when baptsed?
Ciderdrinker
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thank you both
this has given me lots to look at, the Thomas Hinton the younger on my tree is son of Thomas Turner Hinton, son of John and Martha, he didn't to my knowledge have a grandfather Moreton, his grandfathers would be a Hinton and a Caulcott, although other Moretons were married to Hintons in that area
I need to look at my tree and these names in depth this afternoon
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This Thomas the victualler below, appears to be the nephew mentioned in the will of James Hinton who died 1853.
This nephew appears to have two sisters, one who married CHESTERS and one who married LANGFORD.
1851 : Tilstock
HO107\Piece 1995 \Folio 625\Pg2
Head: Thomas HINTON, 46, Victualler, b Ightfield, Shropshire (b abt 1805)
Wife: Mary HINTON, 49, b Colton, Shropshire
Son: Thomas HINTON, 21, unm, butcher, b Colton, Shropshire
Niece: Ann CHESTERS 18, unm, Servant, b Audlem Cheshire
Niece: Hannah LANGFORD, 1?, Scholar, b Audlem Cheshire
Servant: Robert STONE 16, General Serv.,
Servant: John KYNASTON 20 (or 26), unm, general Serv.,
Servant: Anne CALCOTT 17, unm, House Serv.,
Cheers
AMBLY
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so far
ciderdrinker - I think you're right re the Thomas bap Hanmer 1773, I can find no records for the Thomas I had abt 1795 ??? if he was born 1772 soon after Thomas and Mary married his age on census and burial are as you say 4/5 yrs out, unusual to make yourself older but not unheard of
Ambley - yes that's the Thomas I have on my tree, after looking at the will of Thomas the younger I've found a mar for Thomas Hinton, Butcher to Ann Moreton 1829 and a death for Ann Hinton of Tilstock 1832, he then marries Mary Caulcott in 1833, although the mar states he is a bachelor I think this is a mistake and the younger Thomas born abt 1830 therefore did have a grandfather Moreton (I can't find his bap though)
this family did have a number of men who were victuallers/butchers
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Hi Linda
Just joined up on this site. My great grandmother Ann Hinton married name Prince came from Malpas and her father had a butchers shop and quite a large family. She married and moved to Chester and lived there for many years in Cecil Street. I don't know if this is any relation to the Hintons you are dealing with.
Regards
John Prince
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Hi Linda
Just joined up on this site. My great grandmother Ann Hinton married name Prince came from Malpas and her father had a butchers shop and quite a large family. She married and moved to Chester and lived there for many years in Cecil Street. I don't know if this is any relation to the Hintons you are dealing with.
Regards
John Prince
do you have any dates for her?
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Anne Hinton 11.10.27 christening Malpas.
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Have you gone further back from Anne? what were her parents names?
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All i know is what I have mentioned previously
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All i know is what I have mentioned previously
sorry I though you had her baptism record :)
She was baptised 01/10/1827 parents were John Hinton and his wife Mary, probably Mary nee Battarbee but I'm looking into it now
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Thank you