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Title: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Wednesday 25 May 16 10:02 BST (UK)
Hello, I have just joined this site and noticed your offer of free lookups in Derbyshire. I am a male line descendant of Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate, North Wingfield parish, Derbyshire.
He was a Quaker who married Mary Richardson (1629-1718) and came to Burlington County, New Jersey in 1677. I believe him to be the son of Thomas Fouke of Codnor, who married Dorothy Cham on Oct. 30, 1616 at Heanor. His presumed siblings are Ann who married Matthew Hopkinson (1616-1680) of Coldwell, a Quaker, and Dorothy who married Robert Wood. He may have had a Quaker brother or cousin Godfrey Fowkes.  Would very much appreciate anything that you may confirm or add to this outline.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Sunday 14 August 16 01:21 BST (UK)
Hi,  I am a descendent of Matthew Hopkinson married to  Ann Faulke/Fowke (various spellings).   I see from your posting that Thomas Fowke is your direct ancestor and that he sold land to 'my' Matthew Hopkinson prior to his emigration.  The records of these transactions are held in the Derbyshire Record Office and you can see abbreviations of their catalogue holdings on-line. 
However, I have been unable to find evidence that the Ann Fowke who married Matthew Hopkinson and Thomas were siblings and wondered where you had found your evidence.   My search did not lead me to finding out that Thomas had a sister called Ann.
Hoping you can enlighten me!
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Sunday 14 August 16 04:20 BST (UK)
Another piece of information linking Matthew Hopkinson who married Ann Fowkes and Thomas Fowkes is contained in a document the suffering of the people called Quakers.   Embedded in this document is the fact that Matthew Hopkinson was fined for attending a Quaker meeting held at the house of Thomas Fowkes in Tupton.  I think you will find it here   http://www.crichparish.co.uk/webpages/quakersuffering.html

marp
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Thursday 17 May 18 02:34 BST (UK)
Thomas Foulke (1624-1714)of Holmgate, North Wingfield parish, who came to Burlington County, New Jersey in 1677, is the son of Thomas Fouke of Codnor, who married Dorothy Cham at St. Lawrence Church in Heanor on Oct. 30, 1616. Last year I saw a copy of the marriage of Thomas Fauke to Mary Richardson at Chesterfield on Nov. 14, 1654, in which Thomas and Dorothy are named as his parents.
Ann Fauke was married at North Wingfield on June 29, 1641 to Matthew Hopkinson, according to Derbyshire marriage records, which strongly suggests to me that she was old enough to be the sister of Thomas, besides living where he did. Have also noticed the land transactions and Quaker documentation of Thomas and the Hopkinsons.
So sorry I took so long to reply, did not realize the postings were moved until today, and would certainly appreciate hearing from anyone with more information on these people.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Thursday 17 May 18 03:12 BST (UK)
Hi,   I have continued searching for Anne Fauke/Fowke (various spellings) and have never found a baptismal record. She and Matthew Hopkinson are my direct ancestors. Matthew was baptised 27 March 1616 at North Wingfield, Derbyshire. He died 20 August 1680 in Coldwell. Ashover, Derbyshire.
He married Ann Fowke 28 June 1641 at North Wingfield.

Matthew's will is not informative with regard to wife Ann.

HOPKINSON, Matthew - of Holmgate, North Wingfield, 22 Sep 1680. Executor: son Thomas. Mentions: wife Anne; daughters Mary MOORE, Ann RENSHAW; sons Matthew, Anthony, William, Thomas; brother Anthony HOPKINSON. Witnesses: John GLOW, John CURTIS.

If you have been around the district you will know that Ashover and North Wingfield are very close together and in those days would have been walking distance or riding distance.

I have the information regarding conveyance of property from Thomas Fowke to Matthew and also
 Matthew Hopkinson-fined for attending a Quaker meeting-July-Aug 1670 at the house of Thomas Fowkes.

However, I am absolutely without information regarding Ann Fowkes.  Like you I suspect that she was Thomas's sister or perhaps a cousin.  I think she was a relative as Thomas and Matthew seemed to do quite a bit together in attending Quaker meetings, sale of property etc. Given the fact that Quaker records might not be obtainable for the period around 1616-1620 which is a guess regarding her birth date.  I really do not know where to look.

marp

Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Thursday 17 May 18 06:31 BST (UK)
Hello marp,

     Good to hear from you again. It is an auspicious day for me, my birthday and the "birthday" of Burlington County, New Jersey(in 1694), which my Foulks ancestors were English pioneers of, and so it is a doubly special day for me. Now that I have found this website again, I intend to post more often.
     I still live in Burlington County, and have never been to England. You sound as though you live around the area where our ancestors were, are you in Derbyshire, by any chance? I have never found a baptismal record for Thomas Fowke, either. I don't think we will find their births in Quaker records, as the Quakers were not in existence until about the middle of the 17th century. The best bet would be the Church of England parish registers from 1538 on, I would think.
     The website that I use, and that has a lot of information on my ancestor Thomas Foulke, is the "Janet and Robert Wolfe Genealogy" site. Robert is also a descendant of Thomas, and lives in Michigan with his wife Janet. One of the entries on the page for Thomas and his wife Mary, in 1682, states that Thomas conveyed land in England to Thomas Hopkinson of Holmgate. For me, this is another clue to his relationship to the Hopkinson family, for, as you know, Matthew, the father of Thomas, was dead by this time. Thomas Foulke was not returning to England, and so was disposing of his property to his nearest kin there, his nephew Thomas Hopkinson. It makes perfect sense to me, anyway.
     You provided me with another clue in your last post. You mentioned that John Curtis was a witness to the will of Matthew Hopkinson. If this is the Quaker John Curtis (1635-1696) living at the Ford estate in Derbyshire with wife Anne (Revell) Curtis and children, he will shortly also be coming to Burlington County, and become the father-in-law of Thomas Foulke Jr., who grows up to marry his daughter Elizabeth, and also become my ancestors. In Joseph Besse's, "A Collection of the Suffering of the People Called Quakers", Vol. 1, page 140, for the year 1668, in the same paragraph it is mentioned that Thomas Fowkes and his wife, John Curtis, and others, were all excommunicated for "absence from the public worship". This indicates to me that the Fouke, Hopkinson, and Curtis families were acquainted with each other in Derbyshire, on account of their faith at least. I really think that we are on to something here, and that we may be distant cousins of each other.
   
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Thursday 17 May 18 13:11 BST (UK)
Happy birthday!
I was born and raised  in Derbyshire and left when I went to university.   I now live in Australia but I used to return when my parents were alive and know Ashover, North Wingfield quite well but not as well as the locals.  Actually I will be in Ashover this year largely to catch up with relatives but might do some family history as well.
We have our family tree on that popular site  A....... and we have Ann Fouke coming from Wirksworth, Derbyshire.  Wirksworth has a very good  web site www.wirksworth.org.uk/ with lots of genealogical information on it, including parish registers and Ince's pedigrees.We found Ann on that site.  However, no evidence to back it up and we did not find Thomas.
However,  I think we have established that Thomas Fowke, Matthew Hopkinson and John Curtis knew each other pretty well.   
We will have to keep making the connections.
marp
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Thursday 17 May 18 17:59 BST (UK)
    Thank You for the Birthday Wishes, marp, never got any from Down Under before! If you want to give me a birthday present, since you have actually been there, can you tell me exactly what Holmgate is in North Wingfield parish, if that location still exists? Is it a section of North Wingfield as Brooklyn is to New York City? I am intensely interested to know exactly how my ancestor Thomas and his family lived at that time, if that is possible.
     Since we lack documentation, I have tried to build up a Quaker Chesterfield (since that is where their Meeting was established) family group network, and see how they connect. Besides the Fowke, Hopkinson, Curtis family groups, some children of Thomas and Mary Fowke married into the Quaker Bunting and Woodward area families, with children that also came to Burlington County. The things I notice that these families have in common is their nearby location to each other, and their record of persecutions as Quakers.
    Oh, by the way, the reason I know that Thomas Fowke was born around 1624 is through a transcript of his family Bible, which states that he died on June 10, 1714, aged 90. Perhaps there is a Hopkinson family Bible that you haven't located yet? Also, I appreciate and understand your need of documentation (birth record for Ann), sometimes it doesn't work out that way for me, and I have to make name, date, location and religious associations for clues to what I am looking for. Now, for you, I would think that if Ann Fauke is the sister of Thomas and the daughter of Thomas and Dorothy, in lieu of documentation I would next check to see if any of her children had the names Thomas and Dorothy. I didn't see Dorothy in the will listing of Matthew's children, but Thomas certainly plays a prominent part in the Hopkinson family naming, of course you would know much better than I whether his name would have come from Matthew's family instead. Hope this helps you a little, I realize by now that you may have already examined these options yourself, if you have please forgive my family rant (lol)!
   
   

   
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Designer Jeans on Tuesday 29 May 18 20:18 BST (UK)
Hi
My grandmother was Alice Hopkinson and this is the info I have on her ancestor Matthew Hopkinson who married Anne Ffaulke.

D3955 Pre Registration Title Deeds of Coldwell Farm
Coldwell Farm at Clay Cross was created by the amalgamation of two smaller farmsteads belonging to the manor of Stretton.  By the 17th century the lordship of the manor had become split into 3 equal parts.  The Hopkinson family were already working a messuage at Holmgate when they gained ownership of a 1/3rd part of this property in 1659.  Over the next two centuries they acquired full ownership of this and a neighbouring property to form a freehold estate known as Coldwell Farm.  In 1866 they were obliged to mortgage the farm to William Burkitt, whose son sold the property to Robert Lloyd in 1895.

D3955/1/1
Conveyance by Thomas Gladwin of Boythorpe, Chesterfield, gent, and John Newton of Oakerthorpe, South Wingfield, gent, Matthew Hopkinson of Holmgate, North Wingfield, yeoman, of a 1/3 part of several parcels of land comprising "The Great Highfield, The Little Highfield, The Oxe Close, The Long Landes, The Thisley Dole, The Golding Flat, The Round Close, The Carr Cliffe", and four little closes called The Carrs 10 Oct 1659.

D3955/1/2
Conveyance by Thomas Gladwin and John Newton to Thomas Fowke the younger of Holmgate, North Wingfield, yeoman of 1/3 part of several parcels of land comprisng "Lane Crofte, The Highfield, The Water Meadowe, The Carr and Nether Close", and 1/3 part of that cottage and croft of Robert Wood at Woodhead 10 Oct 1659

D3955/1/3
Conveyance by Thomas Fowke of Holmgate, North Wingfield, yeoman to Matthew Hopkinson of Coldwell, North Wingfield, yeoman, of all of his 1/3 part of Nether Close 16 Mar 1676-77

For Meetings at the House of Thomas Fowkes, and for other Meetings at Tupton and Pilsley, in the months called July and August this year, Thomas Fowkes fined £8, Matthew Hopkinson fined £10 5s 0d

I have 9 children for Matthew and Anne
Matthew, Mary, Anthony, Emily, Anne, William, Ellen, Thomas and Dorothy bpt 2/8/1663 N Wingfield

Hope some of this is of interest,
Valerie
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Wednesday 30 May 18 00:58 BST (UK)
Hello Designer Jeans,

    Thank you for your response and information, it is indeed helping me put more missing pieces together. If you descend from Matthew Hopkinson and Anne Ffaulke, then you are definitely distant cousins with poster "Marp", and probably distant cousins with me, as I think that Anne is almost certainly the sister of my ancestor Thomas Foulke.
    Tell me if I have this right, is the "manor" of Stretton a house, land, or both? If the lordship of the manor was split into 3 equal parts, and Matthew Hopkinson and Thomas Fowke each acquired a third of it, does that somehow make them a lord of the (reduced) manor?
    I also suspect Robert Wood as being another brother-in-law of Thomas Fowke, so our families all seem to be interlocked into this Coldwell Farm area, originating with the manor of Stretton.
    As you probably noticed, "Marp" had given me information on the will of Matthew Hopkinson, which lists 6 of the 9 children that you had for him. Apparently daughters Emily, Ellen, and Dorothy predeceased him.
    What is interesting is that my ancestor Thomas Foulke (c1624-1714) definitely had parents Thomas and Dorothy (Cham) Fouke, and that two of Anne (Fauke) Hopkinson's children are named Thomas and Dorothy (though I believe that Matthew also had an uncle named Thomas). I really do believe Anne was their daughter and "my" Thomas her brother, which would give you an extra generation of ancestry. Thank You again for your interest and sharing, please feel free to comment again.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Designer Jeans on Wednesday 30 May 18 09:11 BST (UK)
Hi

The manor of Stretton is an area of land see P350 "The manorial tenants started to pursue a policy of buying out the lords"

https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/site-elements/documents/pdf/leisure/record-office/records/manorial-records-guide.pdf

The manor included the settlements of Stretton, Ford, Handley, Woolley Moor, Smithymoor, Newmarket, Holmgate, Henmoor, Woodthorpe, Egstow and Danesmoor. It also included what is now known as Clay Cross. The acreage was over 4000.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Wednesday 30 May 18 18:01 BST (UK)
    Thank you so much for that information, you are making it so much clearer to me about how my ancestor Thomas would have lived in those days. I have never been to England and am unfamiliar with the land usage terminology.
    On his November 14, 1654 marriage record (before his 1659 land conveyance) he is described as "of Holmegate in the parish of Northwingfield husbandman". Would that mean that he was a tenant at that time? Do you have any idea what he might have grown?
    Also, I saw the manor of Codnor also listed on the information that you gave me. The father of Thomas (c1624-1714), on his October 30, 1616, marriage record is listed as "Thomas Fouke of Codnor" (no occupation described). Would he also have been a tenant at that time in Codnor, before he moved to Holmgate, where he is described as living at the time his son was married in 1654?
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Wednesday 30 May 18 21:16 BST (UK)
    I think that I am getting a clearer picture of the status of Thomas Fouke of Codnor, father of "my"
Thomas Foulke (c1624-1714). In 1613, a Thomas Fowke is listed as a substitute churchwarden for the Church of St. Lawrence in Heanor, representing Codnor and Loscoe. Thomas Fouke of Codnor was married in that same church three years later, so I am virtually certain that this is the same person. My understanding so far is that yeoman served as churchwardens, so this could be his status. Thank you for all of the help that you giving me!
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Designer Jeans on Thursday 31 May 18 12:46 BST (UK)
This is all very exciting.  Your surname is extremely rare and I am amazed and delighted that it is alive and well and living in America!  Have you considered having your Y DNA tested?  The results would be interesting on a number of levels, not least because I have read that it is a Norman name.

Is a trip to the UK a possibility?  You might find local knowledge of the area on the Ashover History and Genealogy Group on Facebook, run by Rob Marriott, a Hopkinson descendant.

Codnor with Loscoe is an ecclesiastical parish, partly in the parishes of Denby and Pentrich, but chiefly in the parish of Heanor, which seems to confirm that the Thomas Fowke who married in 1616 and the sub churchwarden are the same man.

My instinct is that his daughter Ann became the wife of Matthew Hopkinson.  The Robert Wood connection sealed it for me.  To be thorough I would like to check the Heanor and Wirksworth burials and marriages to see if it is possible to eliminate a surplus Ann Fowke.

Many people are descended from the Hopkinsons of Coldwell and I have never heard of a family bible.  Unfortunately, Thomas was one of the five most common male names at the time and there are heaps of Thomas Hopkinsons.  As far as I know a husbandman was a tenant farmer, sometimes paying his rent in labour, who cultivated land and kept animals.  I've got cousins in the area who grow wheat and have beef and dairy cattle, but have little idea about 17h century farming.  If you are able to get hold of a copy or a transcript "The Autobiography of Leonard Wheatcroft" would give you a flavour of the times.  Leonard was born in 1627 and died in 1706 and was the parish clerk at Ashover for 36 years.  I am curious about the move from Codnor to Holmegate, but can only speculate. 

You probably already have this, but just in case "The Free and Voluntary Present 1661 Derbyshire" by David Clay has

Stretton
Matthew Hobkinson of Coldwell Husb 2/6
Thomas Fouke Snr of Holmegate Husb 1/-
John Curtis of the ford Gent 10/-

Hathersage
Thomas Cham Husb 1/6

Oakerthorpe
John Newton Gent 10/-

By the way, Revell is a very auspicious Derbyshire name!

Regards
Valerie

Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Saturday 02 June 18 13:35 BST (UK)
Hello Designer Jeans  and Cham .
This is getting really very interesting indeed.  I have been busy and out of the conversation which is coming up with lots of information. I had no idea there was a Facebook group for Ashover and family history.  I do not subscribe to Facebook (for all kinds of reasons) but it might entice me to join.
My own theory of why we cannot get a baptismal record for Ann as it is very early 17th century and not all records still exist for that time.  We cannot say it was because she was of a Quaker family as she would have been born before the Quakers came into existence.

I am visiting Ashover in September and will try to get to the DRO and find out whatever I can there, also enquire about any local history group.

To return to your queries, Valerie is correct a husbandman was a tenant farmer who paid rent either in the goods he farmed or by way of labour for the owner. This could lead to all kinds of problems if the owner was demanding and perhaps insisted on his due leaving the husbandman and family in dire circumstances. A yeoman was someone who farmed his own land (not necessarily a large holding).  Sometimes the manorial holdings such as Stretton were quite small and land split up and divided for all kinds of reasons.
 
As you can see from an earlier post Matthew named 6 children in his will.  I have a copy of the original which I got from Lichfield and the synopsis is correct.   The named children were Matthew, Anthony, William, Ann Renshaw, Mary Moore and Thomas.   Thomas looked like the winner in terms of the will (and he was not the eldest son either).

This is really exciting.  I have been through the Wirksworth records on the Wirksworth website , not via the Derbyshire Record Office.  On the website there is a family named Foulke.  Edward and Agnes Foulke certainly had children  Thomas and  Ann.   On the other hand the Wirksworth records have a few people with variant spellings.  Wirksworth to Holmgate is a bit of a jump (I was born and went to school in Wirksworth).  It is not impossible however!

I am persuaded by the evidence that Ann was Thomas of Holmgate's sister.  It would be wonderful to find a baptismal record however.

marp

Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Saturday 02 June 18 22:31 BST (UK)
Hello RootsChatters,

    On my alternate thread here, "Possible parents of Thomas Fouke of Codnor", which supplements this one, you can go to reply #1 by philipsearching and click on his Family Search link there. On Page 1, fourth name from the bottom, you can click on the family tree of Thomas Fowke, born about 1570 of Enborne, Berkshire, parents Thomas Fowke and Elizabeth. THAT is the connection I would make to the Staffordshire Fowke family IF he is my Thomas Fouke of Codnor, the father of my Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate. As of now, I have no proof of that, and need the help of dedicated readers to help me separate fact from hopeful thinking. Thank You for your discernment of my hypothesis, all comments welcome here!
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Sunday 03 June 18 03:42 BST (UK)
I have been trying to work backwards from the marriage of Thomas Fouke of Codnor to Dorothy Cham of ? on 30 October 1616.

Both Fouke (various spellings) and Cham are unusual names.   i was interested to note the information from Valerie of the contributions made towards the coronation of Charles II  from the  "The Free and Voluntary Present 1661 Derbyshire" by David Clay.  It has not only Matthew Hopkinson of Coldwell (my direct ancestor) but also Thomas Fouke.   However, she mentions a  Thomas Cham of Hathersage a husbandman.   Could he be from the same family as Dorothy?

By the way what is the source of Thomas who married in 1616 being a substitute churchwarden at Codnor? 

I have read Cham's post "Possible parents of Thomas Fouke of Codnor" and appreciate all the work put into this.  However, for  the moment I am assuming the parents of Thomas Fouke and Dorothy Cham were Derbyshire based.   

I will keep looking!

marp
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Sunday 03 June 18 03:50 BST (UK)
I have just noticed on another site that a Thomas Cham was buried on 27 July 1614 at North Wingfield, Derbyshire.  Is it possible that Dorothy Cham was related to him?

marp
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Sunday 03 June 18 04:44 BST (UK)
    Great job, Marp, I really do appreciate your thoroughness and perseverance! OK, I'm thinking aloud, please bear with me. This Thomas Cham of North Wingfield died two years before the marriage of Dorothy Cham and Thomas Fouke of Codnor in the Church of St. Lawrence at Heanor. Was Dorothy his daughter, and was THAT the reason that Thomas Fouke of Codnor moved to North Wingfield after his marriage to her, since they are listed as being of Holmgate, North Wingfield, just like their son Thomas, on his marriage record in 1654 (by the way, Matthew Hopkinson is listed as the first witness at that wedding). So Thomas (c1624-1714) could have been named after his father AND his mother's father, two for one! Is Hathersage too far away for the Thomas Cham living in 1661 to be her brother? I guess he would be pretty old by then, if she had one, maybe a nephew or younger cousin is possible.
    I should have printed this, but didn't, years ago I was reading an online history of the Church of St. Lawrence in Heanor, and they had a list of the churchwardens. For 1613 they had "Thomas Fowke" as a substitute churchwarden, representing Codnor and Loscoe. Hope this works for you, as a start, and Thank You so much!
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Monday 04 June 18 01:44 BST (UK)
On another site, Designer Jeans has found "burial Ana wife of Thomas Fouke 8/8/1616 St. Lawrence, Heanor". Thomas Fouke of Codnor (father of Thomas Fowke c1624-1714) married Dorothy Cham in this very same church less than three months later, on October 30, 1616. Could Dorothy Cham have been the second wife of this Thomas Fouke, OR could Thomas and Ana Fouke have been his parents?
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Monday 04 June 18 02:10 BST (UK)
I have been searching on another site and not found this burial.  Perhaps you could let me know Valerie by private email which site you are referring to?   In my search I have been astonished at how many people named Fowke (with multiple spellings) there are.   It was not such an uncommon name.   There were people named Fowke in Heanor (including Codnor & Loscoe) in the 1800s, there were people of the same name in Wirksworth, North Wingfield, Ockbrook, Denby, Horsley and so on.
I feel quite overwhelmed! 

Given the fact that there were people named Fowke in Heanor in the 1800s it seems likely to me that there were a number of families with that name.  So I guess I am saying that given that Thomas is a common name and names did run in families there may have been several Thomas Foukes around at roughly the same time. Among the possibilities is  Ana Fouke who was buried in 1616 was the mother of Thomas Fouke who married Dorothy Cham.   Or she could have been the wife of another Thomas Fouke in Heanor?

Or am I confusing the issue?

marp
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Designer Jeans on Tuesday 05 June 18 20:58 BST (UK)
This must fit in somewhere!

St Laurence, Heanor
Margery Cham dau of Walter and Dorothy Cham bpt 27/9/1613
Margery Cham dau of Walter Cham bur 27/11/1613
Mary Cham dau of Walter and Dorothy Cham bpt 30/10/1614
Samuel Cham son of Walter Cham bpt 6/4/1617

Also (Scarcliffe is approx 6 miles from N Wingfield)
Will of William Cham weaver 1633 Scarcliffe
Will of Elizabeth Cham widow 1634 Scarcliffe
https://www.staffsnameindexes.org.uk/default.aspx?Index=C&LastName=cham&Part=0&YearFrom=1620&YearTo=1780&Place=&County=0&Gender=0&Occupation=
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Tuesday 05 June 18 21:11 BST (UK)
Wow, way to go! Marp is busy right now, but I will certainly check this out! Many Thanks, Designer Jeans!
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Sunday 17 June 18 03:56 BST (UK)
    According to the "Pennsylvania Magazine of History, Vol. II, p. 207", the family Bible of Thomas Fowke/Foulke  (c1624-1714) of Holmgate, was an old black-letter folio, brought by him to Burlington County, New Jersey, from Derbyshire, England, in 1677. It's a reprint of the 1541 Cranmer edition, imprinted at London on Dec. 29, 1549. This Bible is said to have been buried in the ground during the persecution of the adherents of the Reformed Church, during the reign of Philip and Mary (1554-1558), and has numerous marginal notes showing the peculiarities of the 16th century penmanship. Scattered throughout the Old Testament are the signature of Richard Smallwood and Francis Berdesly, which evidently belong to the same period as the notes, and they would be living at the same time as the great-grandfathers of Thomas Fowke/Foulke (c1624-1714) of Holmgate, if a connection could be made to them.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: marp on Sunday 17 June 18 06:45 BST (UK)
This is a really early version of the Bible translated into modern English.  If my history serves me correctly the first printing in English was around 1539. So a 1549 date is very early indeed and a copy of the Bible itself would be valuable as well as its value as a family bible.  Where is the bible now?  In a museum or still held by a family member?  It would be fascinating to see it.   

I do not know who Richard Smallwood and Francis Berdesley are and a quick internet search has left me none the wiser!

marp
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Sunday 17 June 18 12:09 BST (UK)
I am trying to find the year that this Pennsylvania Magazine of History article was published, because it says that it is "now" (whatever year this article was published, I am guessing that it was many years ago) in the possession of one his (Thomas Foulke of Holmgate's) descendants, Mrs. Mary C. Gaskill, of Philadelphia. The description of the Bible comes from the "Catalogue of Lea Wilson's Collection, pp. 31-33". I know, it would be great to find out who Richard Smallwood and Francis Berdesly (sic) were, and whether they were related to Thomas!
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Monday 18 June 18 00:53 BST (UK)
Found the article online, it was published in July 1887, when the widow Mary C. Gaskill of Philadelphia would have been 73 years old. She had two surviving children, Anna Virginia and Charles Merwin. The article does not elaborate on how Richard Smallwood and Francis Berdesly were connected to Thomas Foulke.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Thursday 21 June 18 02:10 BST (UK)
Designer Jeans has found the following references to the Berdesly/Beardsley family, though she admits that they are all probably rather late

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Francis Beardesley bpt 7/6/1594 Darley, Derbyshire, son of Michael
Francis Beardesley bpt 18/12/1639 Wirksworth, Derbyshire son of Francis

Lichfield JRO Will's Index

Abraham Beardesley 1728 Heanor
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Tuesday 03 July 18 15:17 BST (UK)
Hello, can anyone verify this IGI found by Designer Jeans for John, baptized on January 22, 1577, in North Wingfield, son of Richard Fowke? These Fowkes would be a couple of generations ahead of Thomas Fowke/Foulke (c1624-1714) and his father, also Thomas, of Holmgate, North Wingfield. Any identification of these Fowkes and their possible relationship to the Thomas Fowke father and son of Holmgate would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Tuesday 03 July 18 15:39 BST (UK)
Can anyone please identify Thomas Fulkes, minister of Boulsover in 1649, from John Charles Cox, "Three Centuries of Derbyshire annals: as illustrated by the Records of the Quarter Sessions of the County of Derby", Volume 2, page 146.
Also, probably the same person as above, Thomas Foulkes, who held the vicarage of Bolsover in 1650, and was returned as "disaffected", from "Notes on the Churches of Derbyshire", Vol.1, "the Hundred of Scarsdale", page 105, by J Charles Cox.
This man was contemporary with Thomas Fowke/Foulke (c1624-1714) and his father Thomas, of Holmgate, North Wingfield.
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Wednesday 11 July 18 20:08 BST (UK)
Hello to all. Marp, Designer Jeans, and I have recently been examining the will of Thomas Fowkes, Clerk of Bolsover, proved Feb. 1, 1656, and so far we have found that, besides being a clerk, and possibly the same as Thomas Fulkes minister of Bolsover 1649, and Thomas Foulkes the "disaffected" vicar of Bolsover in 1650, that he was a wealthy landowner, and, of course, contemporary and close by to Thomas Fowke/Foulke (c1624-1714), of Holmgate, and his father Thomas of Holmgate, also. He has a brother Simon listed, yeoman and one of his executors, daughter Mary, sons John (with wife Martha), Thomas, and Francis. Some of the other executors and some of his land appear to be in the East Cambridge/Norfolk/Suffolk area, where there is a recorded ffolkes family, not to be confused with the Falke/Faux family also living around there. Would anyone please have a complete transcription of that 1656 will listed in The National Archives, and know anything further about the relatives and ancestry of Thomas of Bolsover, Thank You so kindly.         
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:55 BST (UK)
Have found that Thomas Fowkes, Clerk of Bolsover, in his will proved Feb. 1, 1656, left his son Thomas all of his corn, cattle, closes (?), ploughed and other ...fees of husbandry, and all the manure (!) in the several fields belonging to him, besides the right of tenanting.
Nothing is heard of son Thomas after this date, but in 1659 my Thomas Fowke/Foulke (c1624-1714), of Holmgate, is conveyed land in North Wingfield, could there be a connection between him and son Thomas ffaulkes of Bolsover, or just the coincidence of having the same name?
Title: Re: Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate
Post by: Cham on Wednesday 18 July 18 03:22 BST (UK)
HEARTH TAX, from Derbyshire Archaeological Society publication by David Edwards, entries for

BOLSOVER 1670- Widow Foulkes taxed on 4 fireplaces. (Appears to be Martha, the widow of John, son of Thomas Fowkes, Clerk of Bolsover, will proved Feb. 1, 1656. Of his three sons, John, Thomas, and Francis, by 1670 in this area of Derbyshire, John and Francis are not mentioned at all, and only one Thomas is mentioned nearby, below,)
 
STRETTON 1670- Thomas Fouke taxed on 1 fireplace. (Appears to be Thomas Fowke/Foulke, (c1624-1714), of Holmgate). Any connection to Bolsover ffaulkes family? Would appreciate more information on both of these Fowkes families, of Bolsover, and Holmgate, North Wingfield, to see if this is possible, Thank You.