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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: AbbyKatNZ on Tuesday 07 June 16 22:55 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find out what happened to Albert Victor Church after 1925.
1889 - His birth was registered Q3 Penge, Surrey.
1915 - He married Edith Mary Stapleton, haven't found confirmation of this yet
1925 - Electoral Roll - living with Edith at 20 Kent House Road, Sydenham Ward, Lewisham.
I can't find any record of him since then. There were children born after this date:
1926 - twins birth registered Woolwich
1928 - sons birth registered Datford
I can find no record of either Albert or Edith until 1939 Register when I found Edith at the Westhill Hospital, Dartford. In 1945 she had moved back to Lewisham and died 1969.
From what I have been told, the children were placed in homes/orphanages.
I do hope I can get this puzzle solved and I thank you in advance for any light you can throw on this brick wall.
Edited to add - there is an Albert Victor Church living in Lewisham from mid 1930's but that is not the one I am looking for.
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From FreeBMD:
Marriage, June qtr 1915
Lewisham Registration District vol 1d, page 2687
Church, Albert V
Stapleton, Edith M
Possible death?
June qtr 1933
Chelsea Registration District vol 1a, page 409
Church, Albert V W age 44
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Thank you so much - I had looked in FreeBMD but couldn't find anything. I now realise that I need to be a bit more flexible with my search criteria.
The death certainly looks a possibility. In the 1939 Register, Edith states that she is married which makes me wonder now how true that is.
I am doing this research for one of the children of the marriage who was bought up in a home and didn't know she had any siblings until she applied for her birth certificate.
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Possible death?
June qtr 1933
Chelsea Registration District vol 1a, page 409
Church, Albert V W age 44
Given the extra initial, this 1933 death record could be the Albert Victor W. Church whose birth was registered in Q4 1888 in Aylesbury.
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Given the extra initial, this 1933 death record could be the Albert Victor W. Church whose birth was registered in Q4 1888 in Aylesbury.
Yes, I was just looking at that. Thank you :)
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OK, so how about this death?
December qtr 1964
King's Lynn Registration District vol 4b, page 539
Church, Albert V age 75 (which puts the birth c1889)
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Oh thank you, that looks promising. I will have to check the location to see if there are other instances of him living there.
Is there anywhere I can get more information about that death record? I live in New Zealand and it is very expensive to get a certificate especially if it is not who I am looking for.
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A death certificate will cost £9.25, direct from the GRO (including postage & packing).
That's less than NZ$20?
In England/Wales there is no alternative - if you want to see the details, then you have to buy the certificate.
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A death certificate will cost £9.25, direct from the GRO (including postage & packing).
That's less than NZ$20?
In England/Wales there is no alternative - if you want to see the details, then you have to buy the certificate.
I was hoping for a service similar to what we have here, emailed within 3-4 days of ordering. I have been asked to put together some of the family history for one of the children of the marriage who turns 90 on June 18. Never mind, another few weeks is nothing compared to 90 years of not knowing.
Thank you for your help, much appreciated. :)
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there are moves afoot to change the system in England & Wales where we can purchase cheaper 'non-certificated' copies of entries possibly supplied over the internet but it will take time to be implemented.
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there are moves afoot to change the system in England & Wales where we can purchase cheaper 'non-certificated' copies of entries possibly supplied over the internet but it will take time to be implemented.
I think we are all hoping for something similar to Scotland's People. It is much better to get a copy of the actual register than a computer generated certificate.
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Is there anywhere I can get more information about that death record?
1966 Probate Calendar
CHURCH Albert Victor of Burnham Thorpe Norfolk died 26 December 1964 at St. James Hospital Kings Lynn Norfolk. Administration London 23 February [1966] to H.M. Treasury Solicitor. £584.
Aged 75 at death, bear in mind he may be the man whose birth was registered in 1890 in Wayland registration district (also Norfolk).
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Aged 75 at death, bear in mind he may be the man whose birth was registered in 1890 in Wayland registration district (also Norfolk).
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Thank you for the probate info. I was wondering about the location as they seemed to be located mainly in the Lewisham & Kent area in the records I have found. From what I have discovered so far, they were not very well off financially and I suspect that is the reason the children were placed in homes/orphanages. The lady I am doing this for is the only surviving member of that family and she never knew her parents.
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I can find no record of either Albert or Edith until 1939 Register when I found Edith at the Westhill Hospital, Dartford. In 1945 she had moved back to Lewisham and died 1969.
Have you identified Edith in the electoral rolls after 1945? If so, is she living with anyone else who might be related?
If you believe the 1969 death is hers, you might want to consider getting that certificate, as it should tell you whether Albert was living or deceased (provided the informant knew that).
I suspect you may need to purchase a certificate or two for this quest, as there are relatively few other sources of information available for these dates.
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According to the Electoral Rolls, one of her sons and his wife were living with Edith in Lewisham until 1964.
I haven't ordered the certificate yet as I was concentrating on finding Albert so that I could order them both together.
Do you know of any online cemetery/burial records I could search for that period? If so, which cemetery are they likely to be buried in. I am totally unfamilar with what UK research is available online so I do apologise if I am asking dumb questions. I have access to Ancestry, Find My Past, Family Search and FreeBMD. I have not been able to find any mention of Albert after 1925 on any of these websites.
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Most of the records covering the last 100 years are closed :(
You just have to use what is available.
Unfortunately, that usually means spending money?!
Have you looked for a newspaper reference, on FindMyPast?
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Most of the records covering the last 100 years are closed :(
You just have to use what is available.
Unfortunately, that usually means spending money?!
Have you looked for a newspaper reference, on FindMyPast?
I am cautious about ordering unless I am quite sure I have the right person. I feel confident with the death record for Edith but still hesitant about a death record for Albert.
Yes, I have searched all categories in Find My Past and I have also searched the British Newspaper Archives website. He has just disappeared! Maybe that is what he wanted to do, he could have even changed his name.
I will check with the family and see if they want me to order the certificates.
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Do you know of any online cemetery/burial records I could search for that period? If so, which cemetery are they likely to be buried in.
She was cremated at Hither Green on 9 July 1969.
https://www.deceasedonline.com
But you'll have to purchase a few credits to see the entry in the cremation register.
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Do you know of any online cemetery/burial records I could search for that period? If so, which cemetery are they likely to be buried in.
She was cremated at Hither Green on 9 July 1969.
https://www.deceasedonline.com
But you'll have to purchase a few credits to see the entry in the cremation register.
Thank you very much - that is her!! The 'informant' was her son. There is an Albert Victor (b1912) in the database but it is not the one I am looking for.
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Was Edith widowed?
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Was Edith widowed?
Yes, according to the cremation record. I think I will have to order the death certificate and hope that it states how long she was a widow or at least give me some indication.
Has anyone used the Certificates in 5 Days http://www.c5d.co.uk/homepage.php service?
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The death cert will not give any information as to how long she has been widowed
It should give her name, age, abode and details of the informant and what she died of.
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Maybe the informant had been told by Edith that Albert was dead and they knew no different if the family had split up. :-\
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Maybe the informant had been told by Edith that Albert was dead and they knew no different if the family had split up. :-\
I agree. It is something I may never find out but I don't give up easily :)
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Was Edith widowed?
Yes, according to the cremation record. I think I will have to order the death certificate and hope that it states how long she was a widow or at least give me some indication.
Has anyone used the Certificates in 5 Days http://www.c5d.co.uk/homepage.php service?
Please DO NOT use this service, it is not the official site of the General Register Office.
The GRO offer the standard despatch in 5 working days service and 2nd class post for £9.25
There is a priority service but that costs £23.40. Depending on the time of day you order, the cert will be despatched the same day if you are early enough or the next day but both will use 1st class post.
The official site is www.gro.gov.uk
Basically that other site will order the cert for you and when it arrives with them, they will email you a copy or transcription and they charge you extra on top of the £9.25
I know you are overseas but there are alternatives.
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Has anyone used the Certificates in 5 Days http://www.c5d.co.uk/homepage.php service?
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Please DO NOT use this service, it is not the official site of the General Register Office.
The GRO offer the standard despatch in 5 working days service and 2nd class post for £9.25
There is a priority service but that costs £23.40. Depending on the time of day you order, the cert will be despatched the same day if you are early enough or the next day but both will use 1st class post.
The official site is www.gro.gov.uk
Basically that other site will order the cert for you and when it arrives with them, they will email you a copy or transcription and they charge you extra on top of the £9.25
I know you are overseas but there are alternatives.
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Thank you very much, I haven't used the service before and hadn't heard any feedback about it so it is good to know.
As it is now past midnight here, I will 'sleep on it' and make my decision tomorrow.
Thank you everyone for your help with this, I really do appreciate it. :)