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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BlueFire on Monday 13 June 16 09:26 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have found a convict who I think might be in inlaws tree. His name is David Brereton. He was transported on the Rodney in 1851 with his brother James. I'd like to know who he married to see if he is the same David, in my relatives tree.
Thanks
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A Tree has David marrying Mary Ann CORNALL 1871 in Victoria
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No Trees seem to have 1841 Census but say his Father James died 1835.
This is the 141 Census
1841 Census
Market Place,
Burslem, Staffordshire
HO107/987/10/Burslem
Hannah Bierston, 40
JAMES Bierston, 20
Randell Benston, 15
DAVID Benstonm 10
Jemima Benston, 7
John Benston, 4
No Occp for Hannah, all the Boys are Apprentice Potters, all born Scotland, youngest 2 Children are born Staffs.
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David BRERETON, potter, 21 yrs, mother Hannah, brothers Thomas, Samuel, Randall and sister Jemima. #249337 native place Glasgow
BDM VIC Index death
BRERETON David parents Jas BRERETON / Hannah GOODWIN
@ MBORO 69yrs (b ~ 1828) #9530 / 1897
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1851 Census
High St,
Burslem, Staffs
HO107/2003/157/29
Hannah Brearton, 53, Head, Widow, born Epworth, Lincolnshire
Jamima Brearton, 18, Daug, Mantle Maker, born Burslem
John Brearton, 12, Son, Scholar, born Burslem
William Brearton, 4, Grandson, born Burslem
+ 2 Visitors
Marriage;
James BRERETON/Hannah GOODMAN, 23 Jan 1816, St John, Burslem, Staffordshire
Bachelor/Spinster
James Occp Potter
Winesses, Joseph/Catherine Keen
(FreeREG)
EDIT, 1861 Hannah is under ANN Brenton, born c 1798 Epworth, Norfolk.
Grandson William 1849, Barnston, Staffordshire. Occp Potter
+ 2 Lodgers
As she names a Son Samuel this may be her Christening from Familysearch;
22 April 1798, West Dereham, Norfolk
HANNAH Goodman, Parents SAMUEL/MARY
FreeREG has Children for them 1790-1805 West Dereham;
!st Child seems to be DAVID Bapt 02 Jun 1788, Hilgay
Which leads to a Samuel GOODMAN/Mary KING Marriage 24 December 1787,Hilgay, Norfolk
Both Single
(FreeREG)
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Anc has Randall as CAROLE Brenton in 1851 Census born c 1816 Scotland, living in Burslem, Stsffs with Wife Elizabeth.
Image is bad looks like age 25 which fits with 1841 Census.
EDIT 1861 he is Randle Breaton 35
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Possibly death of James BRERETON in Hobart?
Cornelian Bay Cemetery
http://www.millingtons.com.au/cemetery-records-search/
BRERETON James bur. 28 Jul 1906 88yrs last address New Town paupers grave
FamilySearch Cornelian Bay burial records
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=QZ2Z-4NC%3A1048366401%2C1048366402%3Fcc%3D1935075
select May 1905 - Oct 1906
find image 508 of 615
James BRERETON, born Bowerness (?) Scotland, 88yrs, potter, died N T C I (New Town Charitable Institute)
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James BRERETON Buried :
13 March 1835
Burslem, Stafford, England
Age 55, Birth c 1780
(F/S.Org)
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Maybe????
James BRERETON Christened 12 March 1780, Marton (near Congleton), Cheshire, England
Parents RANDLE/ANNE
(F/S.Org)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%27ness
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Was there any documentation in the anc' tree's? With death cert's or marriage? As its not my tree, I was not going to buy the certs, but I don't want to get it wrong either. I think I'm satisfied that David married to Mary Cornell, is the convict.
I was trying to trace George Brereton, the son also. I have not found his birth place and I'm thinking the mothers name might be spelt different or maybe Brereton is spelt different.
I've looked in NSW and South Australia and VIC BDM. I'm not have much luck.
Thanks for your help so far. ;D
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BDM VIC Index marriage
1871 / 614 BRERETON David m. CORNALL Mary Ann
births
1872 / 6674 BRERETON Lilia parents David / Mary Ann COLONEL
1874 / 149 BRERETON Ernest parents David / Mary Ann COLONEL
1876 / 151 BRERETON Herbert parents David / Mary Ann COLONEL
The Argus 29 Aug 1921
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4665557?
..death notice for Mary Ann relict of David BRERETON late Glenpatrick...m/o..
John.......George....Hannah (Mrs DUVANEL)
David.....James......Florence (Mrs FERGUSON)
Randall...William....Lillia (Mrs PRESTON)....and Bert................age 82 years buried Box Hill
Age 82 years at death gives birth ~1839. Mary Ann would be 32 at marriage 1871.
BDM VIC death
1935 / 14104 DUVANEL Hannah parents David BRERETON / Mary Ann CORNWALL
died DROUIN 76 years (b. ~ 1859)
1940 / 18211 BRERETON Randall parents David BRERETON / Mary Ann CORNELL
died Swan Hill 72 years (b. ~1868)
1947 / 20973 BRERETON William parents David BRERETON / Mary Ann RANDALL
born Glenpatrick died Maryborough 77 years (b. ~ 1870)
Hannah, Randall and William are born before 1871 marriage of David and Mary Ann. Mary Ann is ~32 years at marriage, and unlikely to be her first marriage at that age.
You need to see this record -
1876 / 151 BRERETON Herbert parents David / Mary Ann COLONEL
to see how previous issue are named. I suspect that the marriage details will be edited by informant to be earlier than 1871.
Children might all be born to David and Mary Ann, or might include child / children that Mary brings to this marriage.
Will / probate files to find PROV Victoria -
BRERETON George, miner, Glenpatrick d. 13 Jul 1943
BRERETON James , miner, Glenpatrick d. 13 Jul 1935
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I found the death, BRERETON Given names George Event Death Father's name / Spouse's family name BRERETON David Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given name Mary Ann (Cornell) Reg. year 1943 Reg. no18786. They are the right parents to George. I have found other deaths with the correct name of Cornell also.
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Ok, this is the info from the Tree I found;
Married 1854 to John REEVE, Portland, Victoria
Children;
Death of a Daug, Stillborn Reeve, 25 Nov 1855. Avoca, Victoria
Birth of a Son GEORGE Brereton, 17 March 1858, Avoca****
Birth of a Daug Hannah, 1859, Glenpatrick
Birth of a Son James Brereton , 1863, Avoca
Birth of Daughter Florence Brereton 1864, Avoca
Birth of Son Randall Brereton. 1868, Elmhurst
Birth of Son William Brereton, 1870, Avoca
Marriage;
30 Mar 1871 • Avoca, , Victoria, to David BRERETON
More Children;
Birth of Daughter Lillia Preston, Jan 1872, Avoca
Birth of Son Herbert Brereton, 1876, Avoca, died same year
It says her first Husband was John REEVE 1816-1869
No Certs on Tree but exact date for the 1871 Marriage
Trish :)
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Well that is weird, as the death of George, says David is the father and Mary Cornell the mother. Its not uncommon for the wrong names to be on the "info" part of the search. I found no births for Mary Anne Cornell under Reeves either.
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If Mary Ann did Marry John Reeve 1854 and then lived with David Brereton, George 1858 would still be their Son.
As the Tree said John Reeve died 1869 then they may have Married after being informed of his Death.
I have no access to Victorian BMD Fiche soo you may have to scout around.
Trish
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David Brereton Snr died early July 1897 at the which is now known as the Supreme Court Hotel in Maryborough Vic after a day of drinking with friends, David Snr was in Maryborough on his monthly stores, supply run. He had too many drinks and went up to bed where he apparently knock over a candle that fell onto a bed and smoldered throughout the night. David Snr died from smoke inhalation this was taken from the coroners report. David married Mary Cornall and his son married a Mary Caldwell it got a bit confusing. I am a descendant of his daughter Florences who married William Ferguson. regards Lynne Baker nee Harris ;D :D