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Title: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: Margruss on Thursday 16 June 16 03:27 BST (UK)
I am looking for the death of Thomas Ainsley who was married to Ann Mattison in 1811. I have found a grave and death notice for a Thomas Ainsley born in 1791 who died in 1873 and was a tailor which fits the profile for my Thomas, but his wife Ann died in 1842. The 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census show a Thomas and Ann Ainsley still living in Alnwick and appear to be my family. I can only find one Thomas Ainsley who died in Alnwick and he seems to be the one above. An Ann Ainsley died in 1872.
I am wondering if my Thomas remarried to another Ann or are these just very common names in the area?
My Thomas and Ann had sons called Lauchlin, Thomas and William and I have the documentation for this.
Thanks in anticipation, Margaret

Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: fiddlerslass on Thursday 16 June 16 11:27 BST (UK)
Hello Margaret,
 There is a marriage June Q Alnwick 25 p 219 where Thomas Ainsley and an Ann Charlton are on the same page. This does not necessarily mean they married each other but is worth investigating.

The marriages do not seem to be available on familysearch BT's but if you live near a family history centre or the Northumberland County record office you could try viewing the registers that way. This assumes they married in the parish church.

 If they married elsewhere, for example in the register office, then it would be easier to get hold of the marriage certificate. You can order with the proviso that Thomas is married to Ann  - email or phone the registrar - they may charge more than the GRO fee. Or Order through the GRO

http://register-offices-uk.co.uk/northumberland-alnwick-register-office/

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

(There is an Ann Charlton in Alnwick in 1841 but I do not see her there in 1851)
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: fiddlerslass on Thursday 16 June 16 11:27 BST (UK)
forgot the year of marriage - 1843
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: JenB on Thursday 16 June 16 11:36 BST (UK)
This assumes they married in the parish church.

And also that they married in Alnwick itself. It was a large Registration District. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/alnwick.html

The marriages do not seem to be available on familysearch BT's

Sadly there are very few marriages on the BT's post 1837 (i.e. after Civil Registration began).
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 16 June 16 11:43 BST (UK)
I notice the 1841 Ann is "born in County" (North'd)
Subsequent censuses has her born Durham. So looks like from 1851 on it's a different Ann.
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: fiddlerslass on Thursday 16 June 16 11:56 BST (UK)
But Haydon Bridge (1851/61 census) is in Northumberland. Only the 1871 census birthplace (Chester -le-Street )is in Co. Durham - an error or did he marry a third Ann???
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: JenB on Thursday 16 June 16 12:09 BST (UK)
I notice the 1841 Ann is "born in County" (North'd)
Subsequent censuses has her born Durham. So looks like from 1851 on it's a different Ann.

Surely the 1851 census shows Haydon Bridge Northumberland  :-\
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: JenB on Thursday 16 June 16 12:23 BST (UK)
An Ann Ainsley died in 1872.

Thomas and Ann were living in Clayport in 1871.

There is this death notice in the Alnwick Mercury, 4th May 1872

In this town at Clayport Street on the 19th Ult., aged 79, Ann wife of Mr Thomas Ainsley.
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: JenB on Thursday 16 June 16 12:32 BST (UK)
I have found a grave and death notice for a Thomas Ainsley born in 1791 who died in 1873 and was a tailor which fits the profile for my Thomas, but his wife Ann died in 1842.

Where exactly did you find the information that his wife died in 1842?
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: JenB on Thursday 16 June 16 12:36 BST (UK)
I have found a grave and death notice for a Thomas Ainsley born in 1791 who died in 1873 and was a tailor which fits the profile for my Thomas, but his wife Ann died in 1842.

Where exactly did you find the information that his wife died in 1842?

Answering my own question, probably here http://image1.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=155471211&PIpi=132509132
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: JenB on Thursday 16 June 16 13:55 BST (UK)
Interestingly Thomas and Ann were living in Canongate in 1851.

As fiddlerslass mentioned, there is a 45 year old Ann Charlton living in Alnwick in 1841 - she is a 'merchant' living in Canongate (HO 107 / 828 / 5 / 15/ 22)

Maybe a coincidence (and Charlton is a very common surname in Northumberland) but I'd seriously consider that 1843 marriage certificate if I were you.

Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: c-side on Thursday 16 June 16 23:52 BST (UK)
I can look at Alnwick PRs for the 1843 marriage when I'm next at Woodhorn but that won't be until Wednesday.

Christine
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: Margruss on Friday 17 June 16 01:25 BST (UK)
Thank you so much everybody. I think it is a possibility that Thomas and Ann Charlton were married in 1843 and would really appreciate a look up, Christine, as I live in NZ. I have also found a birth entry for a Ann Charlton in Chester lee Street in 1793. My ancestor is Ann Mattison whom I had always believes died in 1872 until I came across the headstone and burial notice. If this is my Ann would it be common for a husband to be added to her headstone even if he had remarried?
The census documents give Thomas's birth place as Alnwick, Embleton and Stamford, and Ann's as Haydon Bridge and Chester lee St. Could there be confusion about birth place and where they lived when young?
Thanks again
Margaret
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: JenB on Friday 17 June 16 08:33 BST (UK)
The census documents give Thomas's birth place as Alnwick, Embleton and Stamford,
There is a squiggle at the end of the word Stamford and I wonder if it's meant to be Stamfordham. However, that is a good distance from Alnwick! Embleton is some 8 miles away from Alnwick.
I am wondering if there is a major error on that 1871 census and if perhaps the enumerator entered incorrect information (as fiddlerslass suggested)  :-\


I have also found a birth entry for a Ann Charlton in Chester lee Street in 1793.

As we said before, the 1851 and 1861 censuses clearly say that Ann was born in Haydon Bridge.
You are assuming that Ann was unmarried. She might have been a widow so her maiden name not Charlton. It is a pretty common surname in the north-east.

Best to leave things now until Christine has had a look for that possible marriage. otherwise you might be going down all sorts of incorrect paths  :)
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: Margruss on Friday 17 June 16 22:32 BST (UK)
Thanks for that
Margaret
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: c-side on Wednesday 22 June 16 23:02 BST (UK)
Sadly, I did not find the 1843 marriage in the parish records  :-\

I'm wondering whether they may have married in the register office but if that's the case the only way to decide whether this is the correct marriage would be to acquire the certificate.

I did look at the 'first' Ann's burial record which gives the abode as being Dispensary Lane - almost ties in with the Dispensary Street address on the '41 census so I would say that this is Ann Mattison.

Christine
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: Margruss on Wednesday 22 June 16 23:16 BST (UK)
Thank you much Christine. I will.follow up on this. It does seem that Ann Mattison is the one on the headstone
. Unusual for a husband to add his name after having remarried. Much appreciated
Margaret
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: c-side on Wednesday 22 June 16 23:20 BST (UK)
It could have been their children who decided to have both parents mentioned on the same grave stone.

Christine
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: Margruss on Thursday 23 June 16 04:35 BST (UK)
Not sure if last post was sent?
Thankyou Christine. I had not thought of the children organising the headston
Margaret
Title: Re: Ainsleys in Alnwick
Post by: Margruss on Wednesday 27 July 16 06:05 BST (UK)
Thanks to everyone who helped with my Ainsleys.  I have obtained the marriage certificate for Thomas Ainsley and Ann Charlton and could not have had this result without your input. Until I found the headstone on line I beieived for years that Thomas and Ann (Mattison) Ainsley were happily married until they died!
Thanks again
Margaret