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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Offaly (Kings) => Topic started by: trewinb on Sunday 19 June 16 16:53 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find a marriage record and last name for my ancestor's first wife, Dorothea, who accompanied him during the Peninsular war until returning to Ireland in 1813.
Marlborough Parsons Berry was paymaster to the 3rd Regiment of Foot throughout most of the Napoleonic Wars and later held the post of Barrackmaster at Tullamore. Dorothea died on 9 Nov. 1825 and is buried at the family churchyard at Eglish Castle. in 1827 M.P. Berry remarried to Martha Turpin.
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Most likely non RC's... you have quite a lot on your site
https://sites.google.com/site/irishberrygenealogy/marlborough-parsons-berry
...but they could have married anywhere!
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Peter Turpin’s daughters married as follows:- Mary Anne Turpin married the Reverend George Leslie Gresson (dsp), Vicar of Ardnurcher, Co. Meath, as his second wife in January 1826. Martha Turpin married Marlborough Parsons Berry, Barrack Master at Tullamore 1824-39 on 13 October 1827 and had three sons and a daughter. In the Marriage Settlement of the former Henry is shown as living in “Gardiner’s Street, Dublin”, whilst in the latter he is shown as being “of Dublin”.
Further evidence of the closeness of these families is to be found in the inscription on the rear of the first of the two miniatures in Henry's 'Scrapbook'.
It reads "This miniature likeness of Henry Townsend third son of John Townsend of Shepperton, (7) Co Cork and Mary, daughter of Jonas Morris of Barley Hill, Co Cork was given by Mrs Marlborough Parsons Berry to John FitzHenry Townshend LLD, only son of the above named Henry Townsend. 14 July 1884". A mini genealogical tree in Henry’s ‘Scrapbook’ illustrates the relationships.
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~townsend/tree/houses.php
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~townsend/tree/contact.php
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Yes, Dorothea and Marlborough could have even been married in Portugal, but the probability is that she was either a family acquaintance or the sister of a fellow officer. She was buried in the family cemetery so I think there was no scandal involved. She was mentioned in a letter from his former commanding officer but just as "your dear wife". Not very helpful. I can confirm that they were Protestant COI. So the question is: are there marriage records of that period?
I have all of the records for the second Turpin. The other Marlborough Parsons Berry you mentioned was probably his nephew. My great-gt-gt-grandfather died in 1842.
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There could possibly be a Marriage Agreement for Dorothea... nothing on Nick Reddan's site BUT that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
E.G you get snippets like John of Killeenlahan, Westmeath being father of Thomas, Eglish....
http://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=226872
http://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=234025
BERRY James William Middleton of Ballinagall, Mullingar, Westmeath Esq., son BERRY John Middleton of Middleton, Westmeath http://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=184922188
http://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=257476
Possibly Marriage Agreements could be worth checking at Reg of Wills/Deeds in Dublin??
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This is not yours I know but this is the type of Marriage Agreement I'm thinking of!
http://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=153631
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Hi, Just saw your post.
Dorothea was Dorothea Maria Winslow she was married to STERLING Berry, Marlborough Parsons brother.
My cousin came across a box of papers and photo's in an old house in County Tipperary and the family that lived there were connected to the Parsons family at Birr Castle. (Birr was known as Parsonstown)
The person he wanted to know about was born 1773c. This guy went to the USA, I got all his info. and sent it on to my cousin. This guy was also a Lawyer, something to do with Colorado.
I remembered reading about Dorothea Maria Winslow and thought I would let you know.
I thought what odd names to give the children, Sterling, Marlborough!
I don't keep any of search results once I have sent them on to whoever.
May be all that info was wrong, let me know please.
Maggsie
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There's a few of them around.. http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/marriages/tiptown_prot_mar.htm
5. Sept 18 1862 Cullen lic.
Marlborough Parsons Berry G'man s/o Smith Berry G'man
married Louise Heuston dau of John R. Heuston G'man
The site here has him.. https://sites.google.com/site/irishberrygenealogy/marlborough-parsons-berry
In the Deeds Extracts the ones in Offaly were same lot as Westmeath lot....
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Copy of confirmation of arms of Berry with grant of quartering of Gibbons to James William Middleton Berry of Ballynegall, Co. Westmeath, in memory of James Gibbons who dying childless left the estate of Ballynegall to him Jan. 12, 1848.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.107, pp.376-7
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Copy of confirmation of arms to the descendants of Thomas Berry and his wife, Frances, daughter of Knight Berry of Clonehane, King's Co., and to his descendant, Rev. Francis Keith Berry, only son of Rev. William Berry of Eglish, King's Co., Grant made on the application of Lorton Alexander Wilson Dec. 21, 1940.
Format: Manuscript
Subjects:
Berry, Frances
Berry, Francis Keith > Rev.
Berry, Knight
Berry, Thomas
Berry, William > Rev.
Wilson, Lorton Alexander
Clonehane > County Offaly
Eglish > County Offaly
Ireland > Leinster > Offaly
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.111f, fol.266
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Hi Maggsie,
Coincidentally both brothers married Dorotheas, and both are buried side by side in the Berry church at Eglish, the first having died in 1825 followed a year later by Dorothea (nee Winslow). See attached: https://sites.google.com/site/irishberrygenealogy/eglish-castle
I will pass your information on to Paddy Berry, the writer and host of the above family history site. He is a descendant of your Winslow Dorothea. I am a descendant of M. P. Berry and his second wife, Martha Turpin, but nobody seems to know the maiden name of the his first wife, Dorothea.
I have followed the advice of searching for marriage contracts, but so far no success. Thanks for all of your help.
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Hi all,
We will be in Ireland next week, Borrisokane where I was from, we will go up to Eglish as it's on the N52 and see if I can find the grave.
Maggsie
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Hi, Just found another.....
John Berry married Dorothea Glin in 1844 in Rathmines, Dublin.
Maggsie
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Seems to have been a popular name. If you are going to Eglish the house is owned by a farmer and is in a state of ruin. The church is in slightly better shape. In 2011 the church and burial ground were apparently up for sale. As you enter the burial enclosure in the middle of the north wall, Dorothea's grave is in the left hand corner and Dorothy Winslow and children in the right hand corner. I am trying to obtain information on the former who died in 1825. Perhaps you can get a photo of the inscription.
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Hi, Thanks for the info.
Yes, I will see if I can get a clear photo for you.
I have a few visits for people all over the world.
Wellies and raincoat at the ready!
Maggsie
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The Pedigree here is lacking details on Dorothea...
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Hi,
Here is your update on our visit.
Ok, well, as you say it's a bit over grown the Church and all the other area.
The gates were a bit stiff but we got through.
In the walled area, saplings were coming out of the walls the Ivy was strangling the headstones.
You said that Dorothea's grave is on the left....... was it an upright headstone or a tomb type grave?
It was raining and we were prepared but, very over grown.
The left headstone has fallen, there are 2 on top of each other, that's why I asked which type it is.
The other headstones are covered in moss.
The only one I could read was a ????? Berry Mitchell from 1927.
The next time I am in the area I will take a wire brush and other tools and have a go at cleaning them.
Before we went to Ireland, I did see an entry for a Marriage Licence for a Thomas Sterling Berry to a Dorothea Homan this was in 1798, I think it was in the Ancestry records.
Maggsie