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Title: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: junket on Thursday 23 June 16 10:59 BST (UK)

Piece:
1747

Folio:
78

Page Number:
19

James CELL and family, Stoke Damerel, 1891

He is listed as having a wife Philippa and a wife Jane.

But when looking at the image, Jane is a Pearce ( ? ) living next door.

And the Surname CELL, is a bit dubious to us too ?

Help needed please.

Thank you
junket
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 11:07 BST (UK)
Jane Pearce does live next door (wife of seaman)  At a quick glance - I would think the surname was Hills rather than Cell  ::)

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 11:09 BST (UK)
There is a death record to match Philippa Hills born 1837 and passed away Q4 - 1900 - PLymouth - 5b 147 - aged 63 years.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 23 June 16 11:09 BST (UK)
I agree with Sandra that the surname is Hills the H is the same as the one in Harriet
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 11:11 BST (UK)
Probate for Philippa Hills of 17 Greenbank Avenue Plymouth  (wife of James Hills) died 30 October 1900 - Probate Exeter 12 December to Caroline Hills - spinster - effects £ 49  9s (which fits with Caroline on the 1891 census)

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 23 June 16 11:13 BST (UK)
Marriage in Jun 1861 with James Hills and Philippa Smith one of the two possible pairings.  Stoke D.
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 11:15 BST (UK)
1901 Plymouth -  RG13 Piece 2096 Folio 46 Page 2

James Hills    aged 63 Widowed. Navy Officer. Retired.
Caroline Hills aged 27 Housekeeper.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: junket on Thursday 23 June 16 13:27 BST (UK)
 :)

Thank you so much Sandra for the census info and the extra information, I appreciate your help.

I have found the Marriage , thank you millipede.

I have found Philippa's baptism and her family on the censuses.

I was originally seeking more info on Harriet and the possibility they were related.

I now find I'm linked to Philippa Smith too.

junket.
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 17:05 BST (UK)
1881 Union Road Mount Charles St Austell shows Harriet Lobb -

Charles Lobb   41 Carpenter. Born St Austell.
Harriet Lobb   44


Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 17:08 BST (UK)
Charles Lobb married Harriet Smith - Q4 December 1871 - St Austell - 5c 241 -

Possible death record for CHarles Lobb - Q4 December 1890 - St Austell - 5c 88 - aged 51 years.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 17:11 BST (UK)
1901 Census Harriet is living alone at what looks like 49 Watering Hill St Austell

Harriet Lobb - Head - aged 63 years - own account - drapermaker.

Sandra

Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 17:12 BST (UK)
Possible death record for Harriet Lobb - aged 71 years - Q1 March 1907 - 5C 79

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 17:17 BST (UK)
1841 shows Harriet and Phillippa Smith together with parents and siblings -

HO107 Piece 146 Book 2 Civil Parish St Austell County Cornwall -  Enumeration District - 4; Folio 22  Page 2 Line 17

Nathaniel Smith   35 Nancy Smith   35
Thomas Smith   14 William Smith   12
Mary Ann Smith   10 Elizabeth Smith   8
Harriett Smith   6 Philippa Smith   4
John Smith   3
Caroline Smith   3 Months.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 17:28 BST (UK)
Nathaniel Smith married Ann Nankivel 2 April 1826 Mount Charles St Austell

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01huz/

User Submitted Genealogies on family search show Nathaniel Smith 1802 - 1876 and Ann Nancy Nankivel 1802 - 1870
Parents of Nathaniel given as Thomas Smith and Philippa

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:M71P-HSM

Smith birth 1834 -

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~staustell/Data/SABap/1834.htm

Sandra

Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 17:32 BST (UK)
Nathaniel Smith christening 12 September 1802 - St Austel Cornwall

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hv0/

Philippa Smith born 20 March 1836 christening 4 November 1838 St Austell Cornwal - parents Nathaniel Smith and Nancy.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hv1/

Sandra
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: junket on Thursday 23 June 16 18:42 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for all your help Sandra.

I already had Nathaniel on my tree and the children but hadn't followed their line, yet.

Your info., confirms my findings and adds more to the line.

I have his mother Philippa Trudgian, daughter of  Anthony Trudgian and Philippa  Coon ( both lines in my family ).

I was seeking a  Harriet LOBB,( c 1832 St Austell ), but now have Harriet Smith's marriage and husband.

Thank you so much  :-*
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 June 16 18:50 BST (UK)
You're very welcome, its always nice to fill the gaps in the tree.

Regards
Sandra  ;)
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Surname, please.
Post by: junket on Tuesday 28 June 16 21:29 BST (UK)
 :) :) :) :)

Thanks again for all the help, I've been busy xx ;D