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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Adnepos_Iacobi on Sunday 26 June 16 10:15 BST (UK)
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I seek help tracing the ancestry of one Thomas GOODWIN because I have run out of ideas. Here is what I have...
1. Thomas GOODWIN's obituary, 4 November 4, 1904, has him 82 years, 6 months, 13 days, an age that does not tally with other, stronger evidence. This obituary mentions that he was born in Buxton and that his first wife, Mary WOODWARD (and second wife Agnes JOHNSON). Agnes wrote the obituary. Thomas' memorial stone in Wynot, Nebraska has him 1829-1904.
2. Thomas sends a letter on 25 May 25 1857 from Hyde to Daniel Vernon (aka Brassington, 1827-1878, husband of Mary Ann GOODWIN, whose parents were John GOODWIN and his wife Mary MORTEN) in Wisconsin. Thomas asks for the whereabouts Daniel's friend, Henry MORTEN (1812-1892, husband of Sarah GOODWIN, whose parents were Anthony GOODWIN and his wife Elizabeth MILNES). Thomas also mentions that he and his brother John have thoughts of emigrating. Thomas did emigrate to the US in abt 1858. He also writes that he is working at Wm Goodfellows iron works and John at Pickfords in Manchester.
3. Thomas' daughter, Mary Ann GOODWIN is christened 6 Jul 1856 at Hoviley Brow Primitive Methodist Chapel, Hyde. This christening entry has Thomas living on Hyde Lane, Hyde, a 'Labourer at Foundary' and the mother of Mary Ann being Mary Goodwin formerly WOODWARD. Mary Ann went with her parents to the US, appearing in the 1860 census.
4. Finally, the most important bit for tracing Thomas' ancestry, the marriage certificate 17 January 1853, Halifax St John the Baptist... Thomas GOODWIN labourer, bachelor aged 24 years, father George GOODWIN, farmer married Mary WOODWARD. There is no indication that his father is dead. The witnesses, John THOMAS and Leonard SHORTRIDGE do not help. I have traced his wife back to Chelmorton -christening 1 Aug 1824 at Chelmorton St John the Baptist, Mary daughter of Thomas and Mary WOODWARD .
I've done everything I can think of to trace Thomas' ancestry. Anyone got a bright idea?
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How frustrating!
Do I have the following correct?
1. The 1857 letter suggests that Thomas Goodwin was connected in some way to Mary Ann (Goodwin) Vernon and Sarah (Goodwin) Morten, but no indication of how.
2. Mary Ann Goodwin arrived in USA in May 1949, with her parents (John and Mary) and various siblings, AND Sarah (Goodwin) Morten and her two kids.
3. The 1860 census has your Thomas Goodwin and family living next to Ralf Goodwin (brother to Mary Ann Vernon) and Henry and Sarah Morten.
4. Thomas Goodwin's father was George (according to marriage certificate) and he had a brother John.
5. ? John and Mary Goodwin were at Tideswell (Wormhill chapelry), Greatrox pasture, in 1841 - children's names match although ages are a bit off.
6. There is a farmer George Goodwin at Wormhill in 1841/51/61 but he only ever has children Joseph and Caroline with him (and wife Martha). And seems well enough set that there would be no reason for older boys to be sent off to work. So he seems unlikely.
Sorry, not much help! There are way too many Goodwins.
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1. The 1857 letter suggests that Thomas Goodwin was connected in some way to Mary Ann (Goodwin) Vernon and Sarah (Goodwin) Morten, but no indication of how. Correct - he wrote the letter to Mary Ann (Goodwin) Vernon's husband Daniel. I don't know how Daniel (whom I feel I know intimately!) would know Thomas other than through the Goodwins.
2. Mary Ann Goodwin arrived in USA in May 1949, with her parents (John and Mary) and various siblings, AND Sarah (Goodwin) Morten and her two kids. Correct - Daniel was illegitimate and there is tentative evidence that his father was a brother of Sarah (Goodwin) Morten's mother-in-law.
3. The 1860 census has your Thomas Goodwin and family living next to Ralf Goodwin (brother to Mary Ann Vernon) and Henry and Sarah Morten. Correct!
4. Thomas Goodwin's father was George (according to marriage certificate) and he had a brother John. Correct! and tentative evidence (working for Pickfords) would have these Goodwins originating in the area east of Buxton
5. ? John and Mary Goodwin were at Tideswell (Wormhill chapelry), Greatrox pasture, in 1841 - children's names match although ages are a bit off. Correct.
6. There is a farmer George Goodwin at Wormhill in 1841/51/61 but he only ever has children Joseph and Caroline with him (and wife Martha). And seems well enough set that there would be no reason for older boys to be sent off to work. So he seems unlikely. I agree, his dates are off.
Sorry, not much help! There are way too many Goodwins. I agree here too!!!
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Hi
Wonder if this is him in the 1900 American census of Cedar Nebraska , he gives his date of birth as APRIL 1827 England (could narrow a possible baptism down for him), and that he emigrated 1857
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-678Q-T8P?i=2&wc=9B7Q-BZ8%3A1030896901%2C1032337701%2C1033323801%3Fcc%3D1325221&cc=1325221
claire
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Hi
Wonder if this is him in the 1900 American census of Cedar Nebraska , he gives his date of birth as APRIL 1827 England (could narrow a possible baptism down for him), and that he emigrated 1857
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-678Q-T8P?i=2&wc=9B7Q-BZ8%3A1030896901%2C1032337701%2C1033323801%3Fcc%3D1325221&cc=1325221
claire
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Yes, and would match the month in the obituary - which comes out to April 13th more-or-less. Perhaps the error was just in the year.
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I just can't find a baptism with father George, found a couple in the right timeframe and area but not correct parentage - checking both Anglican and NC registers :-\
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Is this a possible thread to follow?
1. "1851 census: Thomas GOODWIN aged 21 years born Cow Dale, Farm Labourer in the home of John and Ann MELLAND in Monyash, HO107/2149/236/20." (From what I assume is a post by you elsewhere).
1841 census Monyash: Thomas Goodwin ages 10, MS in household John and Elizabeth Ashmore.
2. Brother John? Possibly a relative to William?
1841 census:
Buxton Distrct 2
William Goodwin 20 Y
Sarah ditto 25 Y
William ditto 2 Y
Ann ditto 3mo Y
John Goodwin 10 Y
1851 census:
Same family, moved to Manchester, and note birthplace for William
4 Murray Place
William Goodwin 31 carter Derbyshire Cowdale
Sarah ditto 36 Lancashire Manchester
William ditto 12 ditto
Ann ditto 10 ditto
Thomas ditto 7 ditto
George ditto 5 ditto
Joseph ditto 1 ditto
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With a possible marriage:
Hope, Derbyshire 12 Dec 1838
Sarah Goodwin, father Richard Goodwin
William Goodwin, father Thomas Goodwin
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details from Freereg
Sarah Goodwin, spinster, Fairfield parish, servant, father Richard Goodwin, farmer
William Goodwin, bach (minor), farmer, Fairfield parish, father Thomas Goodwin, farmer (dec)
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That other Goodwin thread totally confused me for a minute :o :o
I'm at work but will get a better look later
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It probably won't work out, but the chase is fun anyway!
1861
Chapel Fields, Marple, Derbyshire
William Goodwin 42 labourer Derby Cowdale
Sarah ditto 46 Derby, Burbage
Thomas ditto 17 Cowdale
George ditto 15 Cowdale
Joseph ditto 11 Cowdale
Sarah ditto 7 Lancs Manchester
1871
Chapel Fields, Marple, Cheshire
Sarah Goodwin head wid 56 housekeeper Derby Chelmorton
Thomas ditto 27 Cowdale
Joseph ditto 22 Cowdale
Sarah ditto 18 Lancs Manchester
John ditto 14 Manchester
Mary ditto Grand dau 8 Chester Marple
Next but one address
George Goodwin head mar 60 Laborer at lime kilns derby Staddon (Stanton it seems from later census)
Mary A ditto Lancaster Ratcliffe
Edward ditto 20 Chester Marple
Esther ditto 18 ditto
Eli ditto 15 ditto
this George can be traced back in the census but nothing is leaping out at me.
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There are so many Goodwins :o
I've found a few George Goodwin marriages, but can't find them after marriage with a Thomas
12 March 1825 Truswell Derbys. by licence
George Goodwin married Elizabeth Goodwin
Witnesses: William Goodwin and Mary Goodwin
Grooms residence: Colston Bassett, Notts
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George Goodwin married Mary Taylor 1823 Ashover ( no actual date)
George Goodwin married Mary Ann Broomhead 29 Oct 1818 Dronfield
George Goodwin married Hannah Brough 17 Mar 1811 Wirkswirth
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Thank you very much Gardener... I hadn't followed William GOODWIN into Manchester (1851 census) but this move makes some sense, knowing some extra details that I hadn't mentioned. I need to work on it and that is not going to happen tonight.
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With a possible marriage:
details from Freereg
Hope, Derbyshire 12 Dec 1838
Sarah Goodwin, spinster, Fairfield parish, servant, father Richard Goodwin, farmer
William Goodwin, bach (minor), farmer, Fairfield parish, father Thomas Goodwin, farmer (dec)
I suspect the fathers are switched round in the marriage entry because I think these are the baptisms of these two:
Buxton St John the Baptist with St Anne
Baptised 2 May 1819 William son of Richard and Sarah GOODWIN
Baptised 2 June 1816 Sarah daughter of Thomas and Ann GOODWIN
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It probably won't work out, but the chase is fun anyway!
1861
Chapel Fields, Marple, Derbyshire
William Goodwin 42 labourer Derby Cowdale
Sarah ditto 46 Derby, Burbage
Thomas ditto 17 Cowdale
George ditto 15 Cowdale
Joseph ditto 11 Cowdale
Sarah ditto 7 Lancs Manchester
1871
Chapel Fields, Marple, Cheshire
Sarah Goodwin head wid 56 housekeeper Derby Chelmorton
Thomas ditto 27 Cowdale
Joseph ditto 22 Cowdale
Sarah ditto 18 Lancs Manchester
John ditto 14 Manchester
Mary ditto Grand dau 8 Chester Marple
Next but one address
George Goodwin head mar 60 Laborer at lime kilns derby Staddon (Stanton it seems from later census)
Mary A ditto Lancaster Ratcliffe
Edward ditto 20 Chester Marple
Esther ditto 18 ditto
Eli ditto 15 ditto
this George can be traced back in the census but nothing is leaping out at me.
This George GOODWIN married Mary Ann SANDIFORD 23 November 1834 at Stockport St Mary
More promising candidates as parents of Thomas GOODWIN is George GOODWIN (b 1790 Buxton) and Mary BARKER who married 19 October 1812 at Baslow St Anne. They had children being born at late as 1833 and I haven't found any christening for any child 1827-1831. The family are easy to find in censuses and in 1851, the parents were living at Pig Tor, which is by Cow Dale.