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Title: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Noy1818 on Monday 27 June 16 05:16 BST (UK)
Hello everyone,

I just found one of the NSW Gaol Description and Entrance Books, and found William Baldry, the convict who was friends with Michael Noy (my 3rd great grandfather). Below is what it says under 'General remarks'. I can read 'Lost left eye' (i wonder how he lost it!) and I think it is says 'scar underneath' but I am not 100% sure. It says something underneath it all that looks like 'do' and again I am unsure if this is relevant to the above text. The other description is the general remarks on his ticket of leave. I am terrible at reading old documents so if someone could help 'translate' this one I would really appreciate it  ;D
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 June 16 06:09 BST (UK)
Blind of left eye, eyebrows meeting, large scar on left cheekbone ... scar on arm - (or possibly 'on same') - two moles upper part of right arm, mark of a burn above the left breast, scar back of

'do' is ditto and in likewise.


Jamjar
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: CarolA3 on Monday 27 June 16 06:41 BST (UK)
... scar on arm - (or possibly 'on same')

'Nose a little cocked.  Scar on same.'

He had an interesting life, didn't he :o

Carol
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 June 16 07:36 BST (UK)
Excellent, Carol!

Yes, poor bugger's been in the wars.  :'(

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Noy1818 on Monday 27 June 16 09:27 BST (UK)
Thank you!  :) :D ;D He must have been a tough bloke! Considering he made a living of sweeping chimneys and was sent over to Australia when he was only 14 years old, I think he did well to survive!

I am currently writing up some short stories (to make into a bigger book) about my convict ancestors and the description really helps make it more factual!
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Noy1818 on Monday 27 June 16 09:50 BST (UK)
If someone could also help decipher the writing that is scribbled over the top of his ticket of freedom, it would be a great help to me.

Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 27 June 16 10:18 BST (UK)
4th July 1850

  Rew .?.?  as a pauper by Mr Ryans order to proceed to Windsor.

Wiggy
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 June 16 10:21 BST (UK)
By Mr Ryan's order to ... Windsor.

Yes, Wiggy it is 'proceed'.
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 27 June 16 10:31 BST (UK)
Is the first word 'received' shortened?

Cas
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 June 16 10:33 BST (UK)
Ah, yes, Cas  ;D One word to go.

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 27 June 16 10:37 BST (UK)
Recd( received ) a pass ? ( with a long s ).
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 June 16 10:40 BST (UK)
'A pass' makes sense.

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 27 June 16 10:44 BST (UK)
Yep. That makes sense. 

So . . .       Rec'd a pass as a pauper by Mr Ryan's order to proceed to Windsor.
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 27 June 16 10:48 BST (UK)
I wonder were 'Windsor' was, if in Oz..

What a bruiser, a great survivor, hats off to the guy😳

Cas
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Wiggy on Monday 27 June 16 10:52 BST (UK)
Not far north westish of Sydney!

It would have been a farming area at the time.
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 June 16 10:53 BST (UK)
It's out Penrith, Richmond way, out of Sydney, NSW.

Is a lovely spot now-a-days.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor,_New_South_Wales


https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Windsor+NSW+2756/@-33.5223151,150.7540506,11z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x6b0d62640e2e1063:0x5017d681632d060?hl=en-au
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 27 June 16 10:57 BST (UK)
Not far north westish of Sydney!

It would have been a farming area at the time.  Could still have farms, but suspect mainly suburbs these days.
It's out Penrith, Richmond way, out of Sydney, NSW.

Is a lovely spot now-a-days.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Windsor+NSW+2756/@-33.5223151,150.7540506,11z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x6b0d62640e2e1063:0x5017d681632d060?hl=en-au

Aww maybe he had some joy and contentment after all, I like Mr Ryan👍
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 June 16 10:59 BST (UK)
Only 1 William Baldry death on NSWBDM.

705/1876    William A Baldry father William and mother Maria L. Registered SYDNEY

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Noy1818 on Monday 27 June 16 23:38 BST (UK)
What exactly does 'Rec'd a pass as a pauper by Mr Ryan's order to proceed to Windsor' mean? I am presuming it is something to do with being aloud into Windsor as a pauper or am I lost in another world? ???

What a coincidence though! Michael Noy, his old pal was living down in Windsor until he died in 1847. I will be buying that particular death certificate and I am hoping it doesn't take to long to arrive in the mail! This is the real big lead I have found and I thank you all for helping out once again. Just like Noy, I cannot find anything on his life back in England apart from the records of his conviction, but maybe the death certificate might bring some more light to the situation.
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 28 June 16 01:26 BST (UK)
It appears that being classed as a pauper was a type of release but still with restrictions.

Try this: http://eprints.utas.edu.au/17325/1/whole-Hrgrave-thesis.pdf

Jamjar
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: majm on Tuesday 28 June 16 01:29 BST (UK)
William BALDRY/BALDREY

Arrived 1834 per Fairlie, tried Colchester, Essex. 

Received Ticket of Leave in 1843 #1580, allowed to remain in the District of Liverpool  (Liverpool in New South Wales)  see NSW State Records reel 949.  This TL was cancelled, and William, Protestant, Labourer, was sent to HP Barracks (Hyde Park Barracks, Sydney) 30 August 1844

Received Ticket of Leave in 1845 #1826, allowed to remain in the District of Windsor (Windsor in New South Wales) see NSW State Records reel 957

Received Ticket of Leave Passport 18 March 1846, #358, on recommendation of the Merlon Bench

Received Certificate of Freedom 6 July 1847

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convicts-guide

You will also find official records for the same chap under the name of Wm BALDRAY, William BALDRAY, and you will find the ship listed as Fairlie, Fairley, Farely, Lairlie (someone mis-read the 19th Century handwritten F for an L) and other variations.

He may have been convicted of some colonial crimes, as he seems to have served time in Parramatta Gaol after receiving the C of F in 1847

JM 
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 28 June 16 05:42 BST (UK)
Just knew you'd be along with the full 'low-down' JM!!   :D   

 Hooray for you!!   ;)
Title: Re: William Baldry convict description
Post by: Noy1818 on Tuesday 28 June 16 06:05 BST (UK)
Thank you Jamjar and JM!  ;D The links and resources always help bring their life to light. It seems he had a rather tough life didn't he! I am hoping the end of his story won't be as harsh as the start and middle.