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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Treetotal on Thursday 30 June 16 14:55 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know where this ruined building is or what might be going on...Has anyone seen before and know where it is?...Answers on a postcard please ;D ;D
Another poser for the bored....I'm keeping Caz's seat warm until she feels better ;)
Carol
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For your interest...Here is the back with the message...It could be Scotland...but...it could be anywhere.
Carol
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How interesting. I have no clue where it is but am watching this thread in the hope that someone will. :)
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Aw Ruskie...you were so quick off the mark that I thought you had the answer...I have asked many people over the last couple of years and no-one recognises it ::)
Carol
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The post mark is Bo'ness.
So unless they forgot to post it till they got home, it might be that area. Bowness on Windermere one assumes.
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Sorry to get your hopes up. ;)
It is quite an odd looking building to be a ruin - not a church, but a large building in quite a modern style with all those windows. It looks quite fragile so I do wonder if it is still standing after the years which have passed since the photo was taken.
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well spotted Lizdb. I was just getting out the ipad so I could zoom in.
Observations:
- remnants of a staircase in the back corner perhaps?
- am I imagining a bridge of some sort through the bottom windows on the far right
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This shows Bo'ness 355 postmark as in Boness (in Linlithgowshire)
http://gbstamp.co.uk/article/index-list-of-early-post-office-numbers-in-scotland-and-their-locations-155.html
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That long narrow 'slit' in the gable end makes me think grain store, but the side windows look too large,and the building maybe not tall enough, still I'd say it had a pulley system at the top of that 'slit'.
Former grain store
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hwu/
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Thanks for that Rosie...I wasn't sure at first which one it was..so you have cleared that one up for me :D
Carol
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Did you post the right link Sinann? :-\
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I got a bit excited for a second thinking it might be Linlithgow Palace, but I can't see a wall anything like the one in the photo and it's not a ruin ....
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Did you post the right link Sinann? :-\
Yes, as an example of a building with a 'slit' up the middle which had a pulley at the top.
If that is a bridge through the windows there could be a river or canal which would support the idea of a store of some kind
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Is the writer sending one to "H Stewart in Dunblane?
Carol
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Oh I see. Sorry Sinann.
The only other mentions of ruins I can find are on the Kinneil Estate. Nothing like the mystery photo though, but Wiki does say Kinneil House was saved from demolition in 1936. Is the postcard stamped 1908?
It wouldn't have been highly restored, would it? Too much of a stretch to think this ruin was part of the house?
I think I am just trying to make it fit, but there is some similarity between sizes of windows in ruin and Kinneil House.
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Ruskie,
In the link below I sent it looks as though the top 2 storeys in the middle & top storeys on the sides may have been added, possibly having been originally taller than the ruin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinneil_House#/media/File:Kinneil_House.jpg
Annie
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Sorry Annie, I added to my post so consequently did not get the red warning that you had posted - I see we are thinking along the same lines.
Added: Looking at some photos from the Falkirk History Society, there is nothing as derelict as in Carol's postcard.
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It may be near Taynuilt near Oban
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Is the writer sending one to "H Stewart in Dunblane?
Carol
Yes Carol, seems so, a picture postcard of someone they know as it says "you will know that face again"
Would the 08 on the postmark be 1908 ???
Annie
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It may be near Taynuilt near Oban
Can you provide a link to what you are referring to?
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Yes, I think it's 1908 Annie. :)
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Looking at some photos from the Falkirk History Society, there is nothing as derelict as in Carol's postcard.
Ruskie,
I was thinking it may have been derelict in earlier years but now restored?
Annie
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Yes, sorry Annie - I was looking at some old b/w photos.
I was also wondering if it had been restored. I did wonder if there was anything online about the restoration - it was saved from demolition so you would expect there to be some details about it.
What bothers me a bit is that there is an extra storey on Kinneil House compared to Carol's ruin, though the photo may be of a different part of the house.
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Is the writer sending one to "H Stewart in Dunblane?
Carol
Yes Carol, seems so, a picture postcard of someone they know as it says "you will know that face again"
Would the 08 on the postmark be 1908 ???
Annie
Yes Annie...it's dated 1908
Carol
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This might help.
Carol
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and this...
Carol
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The building in the link I sent may have originally been taller than the ruin in Carol's pic.
The top storey on either side has a line across which looks to be added where the original storey may have been demolished i.e. middle may have been taller originally too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinneil_House#/media/File:Kinneil_House.jpg
Annie
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That's got possibilities Annie...I can see where you are coming from.
Carol
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I wondered if it was Kirklinton Hall just south of the Border ?
There is a photograph (number 6) that looks similiar :-\
https://floydsworld.org/tag/kirklinton/
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That looks really close Sarah....I think you could be on to something :o
Carol
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It may be Furnace at Taynuilt near Oban
Bonawe Iron Furnace in Scotland
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It may be Furnace at Taynuilt near Oban
Picture?
modified to add
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/taynuilt/bonawe/index.html
Doesn't look like it to me
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I think it's a commercial building a mill or factory for example. Those windows are all the same height and uniformly spaced which would make a very boring facade to a house normally top windows would be smaller for example.
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I think it's a commercial building a mill or factory for example. Those windows are all the same height and uniformly spaced which would make a very boring facade to a house normally top windows would be smaller for example.
I agree with you, a cotton mill or woollen mill for example.
What is the object being passed from one man to the other?
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I agree it's an industrial building of some kind. I think they are sharing cigarettes from a cigarette case.
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It may be Furnace at Taynuilt near Oban
Picture?
modified to add
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/taynuilt/bonawe/index.html
Doesn't look like it to me
It may be one of the other buildings on the site? The accommodation blocks for the workers perhaps?
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I think it's a commercial building a mill or factory for example. Those windows are all the same height and uniformly spaced which would make a very boring facade to a house normally top windows would be smaller for example.
I agree with you, a cotton mill or woollen mill for example.
What is the object being passed from one man to the other?
Cigarettes...the other one is smoking a pipe... a Tobacco Factory ;D
Carol
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I think it's a commercial building a mill or factory for example. Those windows are all the same height and uniformly spaced which would make a very boring facade to a house normally top windows would be smaller for example.
Yes I though about a mill too...or a workhouse.
Carol
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In all honestly it probably got demolished a long time ago. Probably little value, certainly uneconomical to repair and became dangerous it looks very 'ruined' in that photo
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I think it looks like an old mill building, and if one of the people in the picture was known to the recipient, then maybe it could have been in Blairgowrie or Rattray, which had mills along the R. Ericht. Though so far I haven't found any pictures to back up this theory.
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I wondered if it was Kirklinton Hall just south of the Border ?
There is a photograph (number 6) that looks similiar :-\
https://floydsworld.org/tag/kirklinton/
Unfortunately not - it looks as though Kirklinton Hall was intact until the 1960s. See here for more details: http://www.kirklintonhall.co.uk/main-hall/
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Back again. :) I was hoping this mystery would have been solved by now. ;)
Yes, it could be an industrial building, but the windows do look similar in size to grand houses, as the wealthy would have had large windows in their homes to let in plenty of light. Would this have been the case in industrial buildings? I don't know.
It does look to be in a bad state of repair, and sadly, all or part of it could have fallen down in the intervening years. Shame that we don't know the extent of the ruins ....
I still think it would have been a building along the lines of Kinniel House, as the windows are similar in proportion. It looks a bit bleak and industrial as a ruin, but it could have looked very grand if you consider all the decoration that went alongside the utilitarian brickwork seen in the photo.
Workhouse is a good suggestion. (Some of them were very grand and elaborate)
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It reminds me of the penitentiary at Port Arthur, Tasmania (which it is not). That used to be a mill but the windows are similar.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-43.1474152,147.8504181,3a,75y,197.87h,96t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s-sTaLYWuS3N8%2FVjklSDE3tgI%2FAAAAAAAATxo%2FB63Mz_5M3uI-SxyZ18NaWDV5xb14pWXAA!2e4!3e11!6s%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2F-sTaLYWuS3N8%2FVjklSDE3tgI%2FAAAAAAAATxo%2FB63Mz_5M3uI-SxyZ18NaWDV5xb14pWXAA%2Fw203-h101-n-k-no%2F!7i9728!8i4864?hl=en
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It may be Furnace at Taynuilt near Oban
Picture?
modified to add
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/taynuilt/bonawe/index.html
Doesn't look like it to me
It may be one of the other buildings on the site? The accommodation blocks for the workers perhaps?
I'm afraid I can see absolutely no similarities between the furnace and the mystery ruin SB.
Can you give us a link to a picture of the accomodation for the workers please?
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It reminds me of the penitentiary at Port Arthur, Tasmania (which it is not). That used to be a mill but the windows are similar.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-43.1474152,147.8504181,3a,75y,197.87h,96t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s-sTaLYWuS3N8%2FVjklSDE3tgI%2FAAAAAAAATxo%2FB63Mz_5M3uI-SxyZ18NaWDV5xb14pWXAA!2e4!3e11!6s%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2F-sTaLYWuS3N8%2FVjklSDE3tgI%2FAAAAAAAATxo%2FB63Mz_5M3uI-SxyZ18NaWDV5xb14pWXAA%2Fw203-h101-n-k-no%2F!7i9728!8i4864?hl=en
That is very similar Gail...I wonder if it was a prison.
Carol
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The windows of a prison are usually much smaller.
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To be honest.....why would someone send a photo of a prison, not the norm (no harm meant in my thought) ???
Annie
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Well Annie ... to be honest, I posted the picture of the penitentiary because prior to being that it was a mill. I don't see why you think it is bad form to post it even if it was a prison. What on earth is wrong with that? I was just using it as an example.
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Yeah...silly comment really ::)
I think the photo of three smoking men in front of ruins may not relate to the nature of the building but more to do with the three men.
Perhaps we will never know what it is or where it was taken.
Thanks for your interest and all your input.
Carol
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Well Annie ... to be honest, I posted the picture of the penitentiary because prior to being that it was a mill. I don't see why you think it is bad form to post it even if it was a prison. What on earth is wrong with that? I was just using it as an example.
Just stepping in here .... Gail, I think Annie was asking why the person would send a postcard of a prison - she was NOT asking why you posted a link to a prison. That is how I read Annie's comment anyway. :-\
Crossed wires I think. :)
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What about the three men?
They look as though they are dressed in their Sunday best clothes, wearing their best hats. Were they on a Church outing of some sort?
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What about the three men?
They look as though they are dressed in their Sunday best clothes, wearing their best hats. Were they on a Church outing of some sort?
Doesn't matter what they were doing. It's the location that Carol is interested in.
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I also think this is an old industrial building and, as such, I'm sure it has been demolished a long time ago. It could be under some vast industrial estate or a housing estate now.
Mike
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I think you're right Mike...or a motorway....I don't think this one will be solved :-\
But thanks anyway.
Carol
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Well Annie ... to be honest, I posted the picture of the penitentiary because prior to being that it was a mill. I don't see why you think it is bad form to post it even if it was a prison. What on earth is wrong with that? I was just using it as an example.
Gail,
Sorry you picked me up wrongly.
My question was about the person who posted the postcard but............maybe the building & it's use never occurred to them (if it was a prison), hence the reason I said "no harm meant" as I was trying to think what the building may have been other than a prison as they didn't look like prisoners sitting outside to me :-\
Annie
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Just stepping in here .... Gail, I think Annie was asking why the person would send a postcard of a prison - she was NOT asking why you posted a link to a prison. That is how I read Annie's comment anyway. :-\
Crossed wires I think. :)
Thanks Ruskie,
Yes you were right....think you know me ;)
I didn't see your post until I had replied so "Crossed wires" definitely ;D
Annie
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Oops sorry Annie I just jumped in thinking it was because of my post.
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Glad I got it right Annie. ;) I noticed you were off line when Gail posted, and I was certain I understood what you meant, so I felt compelled to stick up for you.
These misunderstandings happen every now and then. :)
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Oops sorry Annie I just jumped in thinking it was because of my post.
;D ;D
I have been in that situation myself often..........reading things wrongly, depending on the wording ::)
Annie
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All's well that ends well...so easily done ;)
Carol
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Possibly this it
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Kinneil House is a historic house to the west of Bo'ness in east-central Scotland.[1] It was once the principal seat of the Hamilton family in the east of Scotland.[2] The house was saved from demolition in 1936 when 16th-century mural paintings were discovered, and it is now in the care of Historic Scotland. It sits within a public park, which also incorporates a section of the Roman Antonine Wall and the only visible example of an Antonine fortlet available today.[3] A digital reconstruction of the fortlet has been created.[4]
The house now consists of a symmetrical mansion built in 1677 on the remains of an earlier 16th- or 15th-century tower house, with two rows of gunloops for early cannon still visible.
As it looks today - Restored
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A cotton mill? The nearest mill to Bo'ness was Blackburn Mill, West Lothian. It burned down in 1877 so a possibility. Cotton mills with wooden floors were very liable to burn down hence the improved interiors with shallow-arched brick floors supported by iron columns & beams.
Rattray & Blairgowrie, as per the postcard, were both noted for the number of jute & flax mills on the river Ericht & several of these were burned down. Oakbank apparently a three storey mill, as per the photo, another possibility?
Blairgowrie & Rattray website, http://www.blairathistory.org/mills.html
Skoosh.
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Thanks Ian and Skoosh for taking the time to look, both suggestion have possibilities, I never considered it could be the ruins of a Cotton Mill. More digging needed I think ;D
Carol
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Cheers Carol, more likely Jute & the Grimmond mill-owners in Blairgowrie also had Dundee links. Joe Grimmond the Liberal politician.
Skoosh.