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Title: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: junket on Saturday 02 July 16 00:07 BST (UK)

Province:
Ontario

District Number:
58

District:
Durham East

Subdistrict:
Hope

Family listed as Brunelle

( This has been suggested as Runnals as an alternative ).

When looking at the image,  Christian names, we think, we can pick out


Richard
Maggie
Maud
Martin
Howard
Bruce
Victor ?

the remaining child, we are having problems with.

It is listed on the Record,  as Sarah, son ?

Thanks

junket



Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: jaybelnz on Saturday 02 July 16 01:05 BST (UK)
Could you perhaps scan in an appropriate snippet from the census entry image?
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: chinakay on Saturday 02 July 16 01:30 BST (UK)
They are Runnells in 1901, when Richard, Margaret, Martin and Cecil (aged 12) are still living in Durham East.

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 02 July 16 03:40 BST (UK)
Free 1891 image...

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1891&op=img&id=30953_148134-00181

Looks like Cecil to me. Fits with what China found for 1901.  I think "Victor" is correct too.

RK
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: junket on Saturday 02 July 16 06:51 BST (UK)
Thank you China and RK.

Cecil fits with a Death,8 Jun 1902, Durham, Ontario, Canada,
Cecil Wilfred Runnalls, born c 1889.

This corresponds with the census image, for 1891.

I cannot find a Birth, to fit with this Census record and Death Record, for Cecil..

I have found one for a Norman Runnalls, 1 Sep 1888,  Durham, Ontario, Canada , Father's name:
Richard Runnells

Mother's name:
Betsy Greenaway

( Could this be Cecil ? )

There is also a Birth record for a Norman Runnion , 28 Sep 1881,  Durham, Ontario, Canada
Father's name:
R Runnion

Mother's name:
Betsy Gunnoway

On Anc., but when I looked at the image, I think, parents, are Richard Runnals and Betsy Greenaway ?

When I looked at the image for the 1881 census, for Richard and Betsy and children,  on Anc.  I couldn't make out any names on the image.

Betsy, was his second wife ( 1874 - 1888 ). 
First wife, Mary Martin (1866 - 1872 )
Third wife Margaret ( Maggie ) (1890 - )

Province:
Ontario

District Number:
127

District:
Durham East

Sub-District Number:
A

Subdistrict:
Hope

Division:
1

Any help would be gratefully received, please.

junket
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 02 July 16 15:06 BST (UK)
Free image of 1881 census from Library and Archives Canada.. looks quite clear.  Last name looks more like Reynolds here. 

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008178968.jpg

Richard  40
Elizabeth  34
Maud M  10
Martin  8
William H   3
Nathanial B   1

RK
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 02 July 16 15:19 BST (UK)
Nathaniel Bruce died in British Columbia

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCXW-X2V?i=2807&wc=S62F-RM9%3A1069390301%3Fcc%3D1538285&cc=1538285

Victor Richard was married in BC

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SR3-DZC?i=457&wc=S6KM-VZ9%3A10801%3Fcc%3D1307718&cc=1307718

So, Nathaniel Bruce is the Bruce in 1891 and the Nathaniel B in 1881.  You had a question mark next to the name Victor in 1891.  This confirms that the name is correct.   :)

RK
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 02 July 16 15:32 BST (UK)
...I cannot find a Birth, to fit with this Census record and Death Record, for Cecil..

I have found one for a Norman Runnalls, 1 Sep 1888,  Durham, Ontario, Canada , Father's name:
Richard Runnells

Mother's name:
Betsy Greenaway

( Could this be Cecil ? )

The 1901 census shows Cecil's birth date as Sept 1 1888, so it appears that Norman and Cecil could be the same person.

You most likely have all of the following, but mentioning it anyway.

You found:
Norman?, born September 1, 1888
Parents: Richard Runnells? (Farmer), Betsy Greenaway?
Informant: R Runnells, Hope, Durham
Registered:  November 10, 1888

Betsy Greenaway? Runnells
Died November 1 1888, 42? years, Farmers Wife, born England
Congestion of lungs?, 2 months
Informant: Richard Runnell?, Hope, Durham
Registered: December 1, 1888

1901 Hope, Durham, Ontario Census
Cecil Runnells, born September 1, 1888, age 12, born Ontario
Head of family and his wife: Richard (Farmer) and Margaret.  Family's religion: Methodist

Cecil Wilfred Runnalls?, Farmers Son
Died June 8, 1902, age 13, born Canada, Hope, Durham
Religion: M

I have one family in Ontario that either changed some of their childrens' names after their births were registered, or there were errors with the registrations as several children were registered with "incorrect" first names.  (I hope that makes sense.)  ::)
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: junket on Saturday 02 July 16 16:44 BST (UK)
 :)


thank you RK for the info. and the links.

I had Nathaniel Bruce's info and your help, confirms my findings.  wife I found, was Elizabeth Latchford, m 1906 Manitoba.  Twin sons born to the couple, sadly, only lived a few months. ( that's as far as I have gone with him at present ).

I had found a possible marriage for Victor R and was digging around for more info, as I think his wife Mabel Berry, is the sister of Clara, wife of Howard.
The Berrys, being neighbours in Port Hope, Ontario on one of the censuses.

I appreciate all your help, my sight impairment restricts me on so many documents.


Thank you too Lisa.

 

Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 02 July 16 19:04 BST (UK)
Glad to help!! 

I completely agree that some images are very hard to read.  A second (third, fourth....) pair of eyes is always helpful.   

Thankfully, many documents can be found on more than one site.  Some scans are better than others!!   Many Canadian records are available on the Library and Archives Canada site (Free).  There are other free sites you can check as well.   :) .   

As for this family, it seems that they like to give their children 2 names.  It makes a lot of sense that Cecil would have another name as well. 

RK
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 02 July 16 19:45 BST (UK)
Brandon Weekly Sun newspaper from July 4 1907 has short note that Mr and Mrs Richard Runnells have been visiting their son Mr Bruce Runnals.  They left for Edmonton this morning.

July 30 1908, same paper has a note about Mr Richard Runnells of Port Hope, visiting his son Bruce Runnells of 3rd Street.

Brandon Weekly Sun, Jan 16 1908, has the death of the little twin boys, John Reginald and Clarence Richard ... very sad :'(.  4 months old... bronchitis. 

RK
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 02 July 16 19:50 BST (UK)
Note in 1925 Brandon paper of J N Merrill selling his grocery business on 3rd street to N Bruce Runnells and company.

1928 - a note about Mrs N. Bruce Runnells, formerly of Brandon, has come to Brandon to visit, but is now going back to her home in Saskatoon. 

RK
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: junket on Sunday 03 July 16 07:57 BST (UK)
 :-*

Thank you so much, I'm busy entering all this on my tree and busy searching and best of all finding.    :)

Have made contact with a relative of Howard, so I could be finding out more. ( They had submitted an alternative to the mis transcribed surname on a census, after his marriage ).  :)

Thanks again, I am so very grateful for your help and the time you have spent helping.

( So sad about the twins, all death is sad, but when it's children, it tugs my heartstrings. )

Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: junket on Sunday 03 July 16 11:51 BST (UK)
 ;D

Found this .....


Name:
Wilford Cecil Russells

Date of Birth:
Sep 1889

Gender:
Male

Birth Place:
Durham, Ontario, Canada

Father's name:
Richard Russells

Mother's name:
Betsy Greenaway
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: RunKitty on Sunday 03 July 16 16:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

Just looking at the 1921 census image for Victor and family - in Edmonton.  A..y has mistranscribed this as Buemda.  Not surprising... the writing is pretty awful :).  Someone has submitted "Runnells" as a name correction.   Not sure if it is the person you are already in contact with.  If not... this is another avenue to pursue. 

Victor 37
Mabel 33
Harry 9
Ferris age scratched out
Gordon  age scratched out
Roy 4

kids all born in Alberta.

RK
Title: Re: 1891 Census help needed with Christian name please.
Post by: junket on Sunday 03 July 16 20:33 BST (UK)
 :)

Hi RK.

No, I haven't followed up on Victor yet.

I got carried away, with Betsy Greenaway and her roots.

Father Nathaniel, mother a Pethick.

Found Pethicks emigrated to Huron too.

Also some of my Inches emigrated there too and an Inch marries a Runnalls in Ontario.

I will go and look at Victor.  Thank you. :-*


 :)  Yes, it is, have had a reply and waiting to hear back again.

AND I forgot to say, I googled Brandon Weekly Sun and found the pages for the newspapers.  I had a quick look through some of them, but need OH's help with the headlines, but found the advertisements interesting too.  Bookmarked that link and sent the link to my OH, for future reading.