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Hi,
Ann Kershaw was born abt 1861 Learmonth Victoria father Abel Kershaw and mother Eliza Hitchcock. An old family history shows Samuel William Scott was born 3 Mar 1892 in Ballarat East. Most of his family was born in Buningyong. A search of Vic BDM dies not show any of these births including Samuel William SCOTT.
I have looked on ancestry and through TROVE. Any ideas where to go to look at old birth records around Ballarat and Buningyong.
Kind regards Sue
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There's a WW1 record for a Samuel William born Ballarat in 1892. Married to Dorothy May, at a Railway ? Palace, ....lton.
C/o Leonard Weeks.
He enlisted at Black Boy Hill WA
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3003685
Jamjar
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Death notices:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47354586?searchTerm='Samuel%20William%20Scott%22&searchLimits=l-state=Western+Australia|||l-category=Family+Notices
Leonard Weeks was his Grandfather.
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Marriage in WA: Reg no 5 - 1913 district of Black Range to Dorothy WEEKS
Death notice for his mother Mary, wife of William of Ballarat. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28585711?searchTerm='Samuel%20William%20Scott%22&searchLimits=l-state=Western+Australia%7C%7C%7Cl-category=Family+Notices
Mary Cemetery plot: http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00015655
This may be the father's death notice: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/208465472?searchTerm='William%20Scott%22&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-category=Family+Notices|||l-title=185|||sortby=dateDesc
Jamjar
Added: not Samuels folks. Relatives?
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Hi,
Ann Kershaw was born abt 1861 Learmonth Victoria father Abel Kershaw and mother Eliza Hitchcock. An old family history shows Samuel William Scott was born 3 Mar 1892 in Ballarat East. Most of his family was born in Buningyong. A search of Vic BDM dies not show any of these births including Samuel William SCOTT.
I have looked on ancestry and through TROVE. Any ideas where to go to look at old birth records around Ballarat and Buningyong.
Kind regards Sue
Births
KERSHAW Ann
Father Abel Mother Eliza HITCHCOCK
1861 Learmonth Reg#14193
SCOTT Nellie Irene
Father John Mother Ann KERSHAW
At East Ballarat 1894 Reg#17570
SCOTT Leslie Neil
Father John Mother Ann KERSHAW
At Ballarat East 1896 Reg#8717
Cando
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is this your Annie?
Birth
KERSHAW Annie Borello
Father Unknown Mother Annie KERSHAW
At Casterton 1883 Reg#22487
Marriage
BORELLA Albert Born Hobart
KERSHAW Annie Born Creswick
1885 Reg#800
Marriage
SCOTT John born Buninyong
BORELLA Annie Born Bald Hills
1891 Reg#8287
Just remember that not all children's births were registered. Any of the later births should show all previous issue of the marriage.
Wonder if they baptised their children? Parish records may be helpful.
Cando
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Looks like they moved to Lawler WA
Births
SCOTT Margaret Lucy
Father John Mother Ann KERSHAW
District Lawler 1902 Reg#3536
SCOTT Walter Charles
Father John Mother Ann KERSHAW
District Lawler 1902 Reg#3537
SCOTT Jack
Father John Mother Ann KERSHAW
District Lawler 1903 Reg#3817
Cando
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Australian Electoral Roll
1903 Coolgardie/Lawlers
SCOTT Ann Emu G M HD
SCOTT John Emu G M Hawker
Emu G M could be Emu Gold Mine. Not sure though.
Cando
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Most of his family was born in Buningyong. A search of Vic BDM dies not show any of these births including Samuel William SCOTT.
Any of whose births? Cando has given the registrations for five children, who else are you looking for besides Samuel?
Debra :)
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Is this the death of John SCOTT?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46345479
......dearly loved husband of Ann, loving father of Emma (Mrs. McGaffin), Arthur, Minnie, Sam and Jack.
Emma's death in WA gives her a birth year of 1881 and parents John and Mary Ann. It looks like Emma and Arthur were John's children from his first marriage to Mary Ann JONES.
Emma born 1881, Arthur John born 1883, and Thomas born and died 1887.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
Minnie would be Margaret born in WA in 1902, Sam who we can't find a registration for and Jack born in WA in 1903. Margaret's twin Walter died soon after birth.
A Nellie I. SCOTT married to Robert J NEELANDS in 1913 and died the same year:
The death occurred at the Black Range Hospital on Friday night of Mrs Robt Neelands (nee Scott), of Montagu. Mrs Neelands, who was only 19 years of age, collapsed after giving birth to a child, which still lives. She was a bright young woman with a large circle of friends and her funeral on Sunday was largely attended.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204801633
Leslie Neil died at Gallipoli in August 1915.
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/3003360/1
I think that just leaves Annie's first child born 1883 to find?
Debra :)
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thanks for all the replies to my enquiry. I am trying to find the birth record for Samuel William Scott. family records show he was born 8 mar 1892 in Ballarat. I can find the birth records of all his siblings but not that of Samuel who is my ancestor.
Samuel's father was John Scott born in Buningyong 29 Sep 1857. His siblings William, John, Annie, Anna Bella, James, Neil, Martha and David were all born in Buningyong between 1857 and 1865.
My problem is where do I go to find the birth records of these people when they are not shown in Vic BDM records.
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Thank you Dundee,
I found Ann Kershaw's first and second marriage but I didn't find Samuel's first marriage.(oops, looks like it is his fathers first marriage) These family records seem to have been censored or it was very difficult to find this information 20 years ago and stuff was missed. Either way, thank you Sue
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Just remember that not all children's births were registered. Any of the later births should show all previous issue of the marriage.
Wonder if they baptised their children? Parish records may be helpful.
Cando
As Cando has said you will have to try and find a baptism for Samuel as it does not look like his birth was registered.
So John SCOTT was the son of John SCOTT and Ann DIXON, is that correct? I can see his siblings births in Victoria with mother's surname as DICKSON.
Debra :)
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You should contact the Ballarat Genealogical Society and ask for a check of their church registers.
http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/research/church-records
Debra :)
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Susbla, could you confirm that you are saying that your Samuel isn't the one born in Ballarat from WA and of the WW1 record?
Jamjar
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Samuel was the son of John SCOTT and Ann KERSHAW. The notices you posted earlier for a William and Mary ??? are not for his family.
This is is father John:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46345479
His mother Ann:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47342274
Debra :)
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In Memoriams for Leslie Neil placed by Sam and Dolly and Lew WEEKS.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26986875
Debra :)
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Thank you, Dundee.
Jamjar
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Marriage
SCOTT John born Buninyong
BORELLA Annie Born Bald Hills
1891 Reg#8287
This certificate will name the number or hopefully the names of children both living and deceased of Annie's previous marriage. It is possible that Samuel Wm was not born on the date he was told. His birth was not registered and I wonder if he was actually born prior to the above marriage. Annie and her first husband did not register any births.
What happened to her first husband?
The marriage certificate should have the date he died.
Cando
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Will Probate file for Eliza KERSHAW, widow, d 10 Jan 1916 Clunes VIC.
Will dated 27 Sep 1915 - grand daughter Annie BORELLA gets the piano - rest of estate shared between my children Thomas KERSHAW and Eliza KERSHAW, and my grand daughter Annie BORELLA.
Ballarat Star 12 Jan 1916 p6
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154533310?
...obit for Eliza KERSHAW.....leaves one son and vive daughters....
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Ballarat Star 12 Jan 1916 p6
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154533310?
..obit Eliza KERSHAW....one son Mr T KERSHAW, Club Hotel, and five daughters
The Argus 9 Nov 1920 p.20
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4572775?
........death Thomas KERSHAW...brother of...Ann (Mrs SCOTT, WA), Nellie (Mrs PARK, Sydney), Eliza, of Rainbow, uncle of Olga, Tom and Joe KERSHAW, Clunes, Annie Borella, WA 54 years
Ballarat Star 9 Nov 1920 p6
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/213375535?
...obit for Thomas KERSHAW....worked in the West for many years...on death of brother Abel KERSHAW....worked the hotel in conjunction with his niece.
Abel KERSHAW d. 1915....is Annie Borella the niece?.
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Will Probate file for Thomas KERSHAW, d. 1920, Clunes VIC - names sisters
Eliza KERSHAW "Leura" 27 Highbury Grove Prahran
Ann SCOTT, Western Australia
Ellen PARK, NSW
Catherine Beatrice WILLIAMSON, WA
BDM WA marriage
KERSHAW Catherine B m. WILLIAMSON Benjamin Black Range 5 / 1909
death
WILLIAMSON Catherine Beatrice 87 years @ Perth 3636 / 1968
parents Abel / Eliza
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From what I have discovered so far
Ann/e Dixon or Dickson married John Scott snr. Ann Dickson has Anna Bella 1860, David 1865, James Dickson 1861, Martha 1865, Niel 1863. Ann Dixon has William 1857, John 1857.
John Scott jnr appears to have a first wife Mary Ann Jones who gave birth to Emma 1881, Arthur John 1883, Thomas 1887. (still have to research this).
Abel Kershaw and Eliza Hitchcock married in 1861 in Victoria. They had Abel 1864, Ellen 1866, Thomas 1868, Samuel 1870, John 1873, Eliza 1874, Margaret Lucy 1876, Maria Jane 1879, Catherine Beatrice 1881, Ann 1861.
Ann Kershaw and father unknown gave birth to Annie Borella Kershaw 1883. Annie Kershaw married Albert Borella 1885 in Victoria. Haven't found record of death of Albert Borella. Annie Borella marries Jno Scott in Victoria 1891.
John Scott and Ann Kershaw gave birth to Nellie Irene Scott 1894 East Ballarat, Leslie Neil Scott 1896 Ballarat East (died 1/8/1915 WW1 records), Margaret Lucy Scott 1901 Lawler WA (died at 5 months), Walter Charles Scott 1901 Lawler WA (died 5 months), Jack Scott 1903 Lawler WA.
My relative is Samuel William Scott (married Dorothy Weeks 1913 at Black Range WA 1913. His WW1 records state that he was born in 1892 Ballarat. Cemetery records show that he may have been born 1892 Sandstone WA. Have been unable to confirm either.
Thanks everyone. I need to get a copy of marriage cert for Samual and Dorothy to see if there is any more info available.
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What happened to her first husband?
The marriage certificate should have the date he died.
Cando
Albert BORELLA died in 1906 in Queensland.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/53064797
Debra :)
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Well done, Dundee. I had just given up searching.
I have checked all the Rockie cemeteries and he isn't in any under either name.
Naughty Annie Kershaw 😉😉
Jamjar
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....he procured a coffin and had the body removed to Bajool, and there reported the matter by telephone to Sergeant Johnson. He was advised in reply that an order for burial had been received from the Police Magistrate and he buried the body in the Bajool cemetery.....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/53064584
It was almost seven years between marriages, so probably reasonable to presume him dead. I get the impression he disappeared soon after the marriage. It would be interesting to see how Annie describes herself when she married John SCOTT.
Debra :)
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I need to get a copy of marriage cert for Samual and Dorothy to see if there is any more info available.
Samuel's marriage certficate will show infomation that he has been given as his birth was not registered. A birth certificate of a younger sibling should show the number and hopefully names of previous issue to the marriage and hopefully the informant was truthful.
I notice in WA you now have the option to purchase an uncertified copy of the registration for $20. :)
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/f/fees.aspx
Birth, Death or Marriage Certificate - $35
Reduced fee - event ast least 75 years old.
Uncertified copy of a registration - $20
(Births 100 years or more, Marriages 75 years or more & Deaths 1983 back).
What happened to her first husband?
The marriage certificate should have the date he died.
Cando
Albert BORELLA died in 1906 in Queensland.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/53064797
Debra :)
Death
1906/C3749
BORELLA Albert
Father Pietro Mother Ellen Alfreda KEDNER
Birth
BORELLA Albert
Father Lewis Mother Elphraida KIDNEY
26 Sep 1853
At Hobart Reg#167/1853
Sibling
BORELLA Female - Name Not Recorded
Father Pietro Mother Elfrida KIDNER
6 Aug 1849
At Spring Bay Reg#850/1849
Marriage of parents
BORELLA Pietro 28 years
KIDNER Alfreda 17 years
15 May 1849
At Sorell Reg#708/1849
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hyl/
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=petro&qu=borella
Cando
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Debra, I couldn't and still can't see him on the burial index.
Am I missing him? http://www.rockhamptonregion.qld.gov.au/Council-Services/Cemeteries/Burial-Indexes
Jamjar
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The database for the Bajool Cemetery Index does not include burials in 1906. Earliest burial listed is 1911.
http://www.rockhamptonregion.qld.gov.au/files/assets/public/communities/cemeteries/indexes/2015-bajool-index.pdf
Cando
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Thanks, Cando, knew it had to be something I was missing. ;D
Jamjar
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From reply #23 and account of death of Albert / Allen BORELLA aka Robert PINCHER -
he has brother and nephews at Thyra, Moama NSW and brother in law Robert HILL, of Talbot
BDM VIC marriage
1092 / 1883 Ellen BORELLA m. HILL Robert
death
11808 / 1902 HILL Helen parents Peter BORELLA and UKN KIDNEY
died Talbot, 40 years
The brother would be Louis BORELLA with sons born Thyra.
Son Albert BORELLA awarded Victoria Cross WW1.....and enlisted in QLD
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Ann BORELLO of Lawlers WA lawful widow :-X :-X
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article53083524
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF QUEENSLAND.
ROCKHAMPTON.
In the Goods of ALBERT BORELLA (commonly known as ROBERT PITCHER), late of Struck Oil,
near Mount Morgan, in the State of Queensland, miner, deceased, intestate.
NOTICE is hereby given that after the expiration of fourteen days from the date of the publication hereof, application will be made to this Honourable Court that administration of the personal estate of the abovenamed ALBERT DORELLA (commonly known as ROBERT PITCHER), deceased, who died intestate, may be granted to the Union Trustee Company of Australia, Limited, carrying on business at Brisbane and elsewhere, in the State of Queensland, the lawfully constituted attorney of ANN BORELLA, of Lawlors, East Murchison, in the State of Western Australia, the lawful widow of the said ALBERT BORELLA. Any person interested who desires to object to the application, or to be heard upon it, may file a caveat in the Registry at any time before the grant is made.
Dated this 10th day of November, 1900.
Cando
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Australian Electoral Roll
Qld Capricornia/Mt Morgan
1903/1905
PITCHER Robert Gordon's Lane Miner
I think only a birth cert for Samuel's younger siblings will help your research. And that's it from me ;D
Cando
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Thanks everyone, I couldn't have done it without you. Regards Sue
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Sue, I know that your post was made some time ago and that you may have progressed further with the Scott family history but I have comprehensive data on both the Scott and Weeks family in Australia and Scotland, and England. It should be helpful. You may be able to get my E-mail address from the moderator.
Peter