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Title: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Tuesday 19 July 16 15:23 BST (UK)
I am seeking this family for a relation in Australia who has given me this information; I have asked her if she knows more but have had no reply yet. The lady is not on Roots Chat or any other forum etc.

Henry Aubrey an Englishman from Liverpool died in 1907 his death certificate indicated that he had been in Australia for 55 years – so arrived in Australia ca 1852. I am told that he married an Australian Aboriginal lady named Jane in 1865. The family lived in Geraldton in Western Australia, and he had a daughter Ellen who married - surname not known. She had twins in 1918; Charles and Mary who died shortly after.

All very vague but I hope someone would like to do a search to answer some of these questions for me.

Did a Henry Aubrey sail to Australia ca 1852?

Is there a marriage for Henry Aubrey and Jane unknown in 1865?

When was their daughter Ellen born and did they have other children?

Also anything else which may be of interest.

Hoping someone out there likes solving mysteries. ;)

Muffin41

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: bitzar on Tuesday 19 July 16 16:20 BST (UK)
Muffin

Ellen L Aubrey married John E Olsen in 1907 in the Northampton registration district of WA.  Mary and Charles Olsen were born in the same Northampton district in 1918 with sequential registration numbers.  A number of other Olsen children were born in the same registration district but one can't be sure if they are the same family as the index doesn't name parents (WA BDM's, you can google the website).

I can't find a birth for Ellen or a marriage for Henry Aubrey but I haven't had a good delve into it.  I'm no WA expert either.

Regards

Bitzar.
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Tuesday 19 July 16 16:32 BST (UK)
Thank you for that Bitzar, Olsen rings a bell :D The Olsen Family came from Sweden to Australia.

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 19 July 16 16:43 BST (UK)
I can't see marriage or birth either.

Could be Ellen's marriage in 1907, I was thinking it was a bit late though, considering her father had arrived out here in the 1850s.

I do agree that the death of the twins makes it likely to be the correct folk though.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Neil Todd on Tuesday 19 July 16 18:37 BST (UK)
Henry's death is registered 1908 at a place of registration called  "YALGOO" on the indexes. I can stand corrected but I don't think births deaths and marriages of Aboriginals commenced until much later in WA history. Up to the 1880's there was very little in the way of Roads in WA and getting around was difficult and dangerous. BMD Registration was almost impossible and I am sure many never made it into the indexes.

I think Yalgoo is in the "Wheatbelt" of WA but the early history I don't know much about. Sorry can't be more help.

Neil
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Tuesday 19 July 16 23:03 BST (UK)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3756689
Perth Gazette and Western Australian Times 9 Oct 1868
During the month of September 59,000 acres of pastoral lands were taken under lease or license. The tillage leases taken out were Avon, William Smith and T. Larkin each 100 acres;
Kojonup, W. Spencer, 100 acres; Victoria, J.Trew, 162, Henry Herbert, Henry Aubrey, Robert Starling. S. Clifton, R. Willimott, R. Rowland jun., each 100 acres; Thos. Bishop, 160 acres; Wellington, Charles Zeddi, 100 acres, Williams, A. Quartermaine, 100 acres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kojonup,_Western_Australia

I wonder if this is one of Henry's children - born c1863.

Death
AUBREY   Thomas    
Father Henery [sic]    Mother Jane       
District Geraldton  1963 80 years  Reg#71    

Could you please type up all the information on the death certificate.  Bearing in mind that information on a death certificate is rarely accurate, Henry may not have arrived c1852.  The only AUBREY I have arriving in WA on my resource in that era, is a William who arrived in 1856 from Portland, Victoria.  He was a convict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalgoo,_Western_Australia

Interred in the Yalgoo Cemetery
AUBERY  Henry  23 December 1907  Aged 70 years - No headstone

Is his age correct in the cemetery register?  If so it indicates a birth c1837 and he would have arrived WA when he was 15 years of age.  Who was the informant on the death certificate?

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Tuesday 19 July 16 23:32 BST (UK)
Information available online....

AUBREY Henry born c1837 Liverpool, died 1907 married Jane GOVERNOR c1834-1899, in 1872 at Dongara, WA.  I find it odd that there were no births between 1873 and 1881 and a person born c1834 was having children in 1895 when she was c61 years of age.  I would suggest that Jane was born later than 1834.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongara,_Western_Australia

Children
    Julia (1873-)
    Ellen Helena (1881-1952)
    Thomas (1883-1963)
    Bridget (1884-1947)
    Mary Ann (1887-1970)
    Margaret (1889-1916)
    May (Louisa) (1889-)
    Millicent Minnie (1895-1967)

You can search for their marriages and deaths
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx

The 1907 marriage certificate for Ellen does not have a mother named.

If you would like to pm your email address I'll send you a copy.

Cando

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Tuesday 19 July 16 23:48 BST (UK)
Children named in the Will of John Edward OLSEN who died 15 Jul 1942
Mildred Una, Eric James, John Edward and Arthur George.

Interred at Geraldton Cemetery
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/Geraldton-Greenough/geraldton_n-z.htm

OLSEN Ellen Helena. 27 Feb 1952 aged 71 (with John E)
OLSEN John Edward   15 Jul 1942 aged 81 (with Ellen)
 
and their sons named in the Will.

OLSEN Eric James  30 Nov 1981 aged 57
OLSEN John Edward 14 Oct 1984 aged 76

Marriage
OLSEN Mildred U   
McKENZIE Robert
District East Murchison   Reg#10 1942   

Interred at Geraldton Cemetery
McKENZIE Millie 13 Apr 2005 Wife of Bob, mother of Pat and Gordon
McKENZIE Robert 9 Jul 1993 aged 73 Husband of Millie, father of Pat and Gordon

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 00:22 BST (UK)
Births
OLSEN John E    
District Northampton    Reg#9 1908

OLSEN Hannah    
District Northampton    Reg#20    1909

OLSEN Anna M    
District Northampton    Reg#28    1910

OLSEN Dorothy E
District Northampton  Reg#23 1911

OLSEN Arthur G
District Northampton  Reg#19  1913

OLSEN William T    
District Northampton    Reg#14    1915

OLSEN Edith M
Northampton  Reg#24  1916

OLSEN Charles
District Northampton Reg#3    1918

OLSEN Mary    
District Northampton Reg#4    1918    

OLSEN Leslie G    
District Northampton Reg#41    1918

OLSEN Mildred U    
District Northampton Reg#45    1920

OLSEN Eric J    
District Northampton    Reg#9 1924


Arthur George OLSEN WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=894107

Eric James OLSEN WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=926784

John Edward OLSEN WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=R&VeteranId=931001

William Thomas OLSEN WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=747077

The above service files have been digitised and are available to read
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

Cando

Edit to add birth regs.
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 00:35 BST (UK)
I suggest you contact

https://geraldtonfhs.wordpress.com/

https://geraldtonfhs.wordpress.com/research-enquiries/

The Midwest Death Register is not online at the moment and may have more information.
https://geraldtonfhs.wordpress.com/midwest-death-register/

Nothing like local information.

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 02:31 BST (UK)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article67333119
Geraldton Guardian and Express 21 Jul 1942

Death of Mr J E Olsen — The death occurred on Wednesday last at the St John of God  Hospital of Mr John Edward Olsen. The deceased, who was a native of Sweden, had resided for
very many years in this district, and for much of that time was engaged in farming operations at Oakagee. He leaves a widow, five sons and five daughters to mourn his loss. The funeral took place in the Methodist portion of the Utakarra Cemetery on Friday in the presence of a large gathering of friends. The service at the graveside was conducted by the Rev Raymond Hocking, whilst the pall bearers were Messrs M Heenau, W Grey, M Kelly. H E Carey, C Jackson and J.\ Weyland. The funeral arrangements were carried out by Mr Aidan Pinder, of Forrest  Street, Geraldton.



Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 02:41 BST (UK)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article49018668
The West Australian  4 May 1952
OLSEN On Feb 27 1952 at Geraldton, Ellen Helena, of Oakagee, relict of the late John Edward Olsen and loving mother of John, Lena (Mrs. Fitzgerald. Geraldton), Mollie (Mrs Seaton,  Burracoppin), Dot (Mrs Alexander, Perth), George, Tom, Edie (Mrs Dunstan, Perth), Les Melbourne), Millie (Mrs McKenzie, Geraldton) and Jim. Aged 71 years.
One of the best.

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 03:07 BST (UK)
Marriages
OLSEN   Dorothy E   
ALEXANDER Nathan M J
District East Murchison   Reg#29  1937   

OLSEN Edith M   
DUNSTAN Jack
District Geraldton   Reg#51 1937

SEATON Dudley S   
OLSEN Anna M
District Murchison Reg#38 1939   
Cando   
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 20 July 16 06:43 BST (UK)
Marriage notice for OLSEN-ALEXANDER  in 1937 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article41437868
and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38695643

Marriage notice  OLSEN-DUNSTAN in 1937 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38695643 (same as above)  and description http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article67328039

Dudley SEATON's WW2 service summary http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=926560

Jack DUNSTAN's WW2 service summary http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=844060  and http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=187616

  Ros
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 06:48 BST (UK)
I can't find a marriage for Hannah Helena to Thomas Martin FITZGERALD with whom she was enrolled to vote living at various places in WA but living in Geraldton at the time of her mother's death.  Thomas Martin and Hannah Helena were enrolled to vote at the same address in 1949 in Geraldton but at different addresses at Geraldton in 1954. He does not appear in the rolls post 1954.

Her birth
OLSEN Hannah    
District Northampton    Reg#20    1909

Hannah's burial record
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00071950

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 20 July 16 06:53 BST (UK)
There is a marriage in 1930 Geraldton of a Hannah H OLSEN to Thomas M F COWAN   No 4
http://wamarriage.info/

Could he have discarded his surname?  Or a mistranscription?

adding : I did quick search for a district COWAN near Geraldton  without success in case the district name was misplaced
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 07:01 BST (UK)
They first appear on the electoral rolls in 1930

and the same marriage info on WA BDM's.

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 20 July 16 07:19 BST (UK)
I guess this is his WW2 service summary http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=741806 with Hannah named as Anna

(whoops I haven't read all the thread properly so not sure if this was posted before)
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 07:21 BST (UK)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article52949068
The West Australia 5 Jun 1954

THOMAS MARTIN FITZGERALD, formerly of Eleanor street, GERALDTON, TAKE NOTICE that HANNAH HELENA FITZGERALD has commenced action No. F15 of 1954 against you in the Supreme Court of Western Australia in which the Plaintiff claims for an order that the furniture and personal effects referred to in annexure "A" of an Affidavit of the said Hannah Helena Fitzgerald sworn the 9th day of March 1954 and filed in the above action be declared to be the sole Property of the said Hannah Helena Fitzgerald and that the furniture and personal
effects referred to in annexure. "B" of the said Affidavit be declared to be the property
of the said Hannah Helena Fitzgerald Jointly with you the said Thomas Martin Fitzgerald............

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 07:26 BST (UK)
Thomas states he was born 1903 Perth and this is the only birth I can find.  Nothing for COWAN.

FITZGERALD    Thomas Joseph       
Father Michael    Mother Johannah Catherine Lanigan     
District Mount Mary    Reg#6263    1903

Probably not him.

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 07:37 BST (UK)
Deleted as the post is duplicated - reply#22.
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 20 July 16 07:47 BST (UK)
There are some references to Marion FITZGERALD-COWAN in social announcements in W.A

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article40739663 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article83002545

adding : I think she married in 1946 as Marion E.F. COWAN.   (maybe the BDM didn't handle hyphenated names too well)
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 07:53 BST (UK)
Quote
Not Hannah's husband.

The above man was on the electoral rolls in WA to 1963 when he died.

Burial record
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FB00022237

So who was Thomas Martin F COWAN/FITZGERALD?

Cando

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=741806
WW2 service summary has service #WX5425

FITZGERALD Thomas Martin - WX5425 AIF;
Year of Death - 1979; Crematorium - Woongarra QLD

Death
1979   C3578   
FITZGERALD Thomas Martin    No parents detailed.

He had been a POW.

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Wednesday 20 July 16 09:55 BST (UK)
Thank you all for searching for me and finding so much Information. :D :D

I do not have a copy of Henry Aubrey's death certificate or had a reply from the Lady who asked me if I could find more information. :(

She did write saying that in 1889 Henry and Jane Aubrey had twin daughters Margaret and Louisa.

As you say I believe that Jane was much younger than Henry; maybe his second wife? :-\

I know that Dudley Seaward Seaton was the son of Leonard George Snook and Dorothy G J Sturman. Leonard George Snook having jumped ship sometime between 1881 and 1891 and in Australia changed his name to Seaton. His marriage in 1895 giving his name as Seaton.

Muffin41
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 10:15 BST (UK)
Mufffin as there are no marriage or birth registrations the person who compiled the family tree [and possibly copied on by others] obviously had information that is simply not available elsewhere.  Henry's death certificate should include the following info detailed in WA
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

The only information I transcribed from the tree is in reply#6.  The rest I researched myself.

Do you need further assistance and if so, what with?

Contact with the local family history group  may yield more information.

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Wednesday 20 July 16 10:28 BST (UK)
Quote
SEATON Dudley S   
OLSEN Anna M
District Murchison Reg#38 1939 

In my tree I have Cue, Western Australia, Australia as the place of marriage for them. Are Cue and Murchison not far from each other?

Also I have not found any children for their marriage yet.

Muffin
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 10:40 BST (UK)
The marriage was registered in the Registration District of Murchison.  Use google....one of my best research tools ;)

You won't find any births to this couple as the birth index in WA only extends to 1932.

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 10:52 BST (UK)
His death certificate should show any issue of his marriage.

SEATON    Dudley Seaward        47 years
Father Leonard G      Mother Dorothy G J       
District Williams    Reg#49     1959

Sad .....

SEATON    Unnamed (Stillborn) Female    
Fatther Dudley S      Mother Anna M       
District Northam    Reg#15    1955

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Wednesday 20 July 16 11:08 BST (UK)
Just had a reply from relation in Australia Cando ;)

she wrote: I have a copy of Henry Aubrey’s death certificate. Information was provided his son Thomas. Henry died on 22 December 1907 aged 70 at the Cumberland Hotel in Yalgoo, Western Australia. Cause of death was Old Age. The death certificate stated that Henry had lived in Western Australia for 55 years. It also said that he was 35 years of age when he married Jane. The 8 children are listed on the death certificate, name being Julia, Ellen, Thomas, Bridget, Louisa, Mary, Margaret and Minnie (Millicent). It also noted there were 3 deceased males.

Muffin
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 11:18 BST (UK)
Bingo....I think this is our elusive Thomas Martin...

COWAN George Thomas Martin       
Father Walter William     Mother Annie McINNES
District Perth  Reg#4820   1903

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article67101278
The Geraldton Guardian & Express  27 Jun 1929
PERSONAL
The engagement is announced of Hannah Helena, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs J E Olsen, of Oakagee, to Thomas Martin, fourth son of Mrs J H Fitzgerald, of Francis Street, Geraldton.

Australian Electoral Roll
1930
FITZGERALD Annie  333 Marine Parade  Geraldton  HD
FITZGERALD James Hawkins  383 Marine Parade  Geraldton  Retired.

Marriage
FITZGERALD James H   
COWAN Annie
District Perth   Reg#437   1910   

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Wednesday 20 July 16 11:29 BST (UK)
Wow, I think that you are a terrier, Cando ;D

No other information found about Julia Aubrey born 1874 yet.

I'm taking a break now ;)

Muffin
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Wednesday 20 July 16 11:32 BST (UK)
Just had a reply from relation in Australia Cando ;)

she wrote: I have a copy of Henry Aubrey’s death certificate. Information was provided his son Thomas. Henry died on 22 December 1907 aged 70 at the Cumberland Hotel in Yalgoo, Western Australia. Cause of death was Old Age. The death certificate stated that Henry had lived in Western Australia for 55 years. It also said that he was 35 years of age when he married Jane. The 8 children are listed on the death certificate, name being Julia, Ellen, Thomas, Bridget, Louisa, Mary, Margaret and Minnie (Millicent). It also noted there were 3 deceased males.


Muffin

Were the ages of the children noted?  So according to Thomas's information he arrived in WA at the age of 15 and married in c1872.   Have you found Henry on the 1851 census?

Red warning....Ok I see your last post now....so will leave it too

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Wednesday 20 July 16 15:19 BST (UK)
Back again :)

I have not looked for Henry on the 1851 census, I don't subscribe to findMyPast etc.
I will see what else I can find about the children in reply #29

Muffin
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Jumpinjackflash69 on Tuesday 13 September 16 05:20 BST (UK)
Good afternoon all
Just wondering if i could join this discussion i am interested in the information you guys have in relation to henry Aubrey i have a connection to this man and the info you people have has been invaluable to my reserch.
The person i have to connect wuth Henry is through his and jnes daughter Mary
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Curi0sity on Tuesday 29 August 17 07:02 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thomas Martin FitzGerald Cowan (born George Thomas Martin Cowan on May 12 1903) married Hannah Helena (known as Lena) Olsen (born May 12 1909) on 20 December 1929 at St Francis Xavier Cathedral Geraldton.  FitzGerald was his step-father's (James Hawkins FitzGerald) surname.  He later dropped the name Cowan but it was used on the marriage certificate.


Tom's parents were Walter William Cowan who died 13 November 1904 and Annie McInnes.  His siblings at the time of his father's death were Edwin Stuart (Aged 8), John Henry (6) and Walter William (3).

He was a POW in Selarang Camp Changi , Khonkan 55 km Camp Burma and Petchaburi, Nakom Chassi in Thailand.

Hope this is of some help.  It explains the Cowan/FitzGerald connection and the difficulty in finding birth information.

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Muffin41 on Tuesday 29 August 17 10:31 BST (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat Curi0sity  :)

Thank you for the information which helps to fill in missing details. :D

Muffin41
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Curi0sity on Wednesday 30 August 17 12:46 BST (UK)
Hi,

Ellen Aubrey was born c 1881 at Greenough and married at Nabawa in 1907 (both not far from Geraldton).

Lena and Tom had four children, Doris, James, Robert and Fay .  They never divorced but Tom went to live in Queensland where he died on 26 May 1979.  Lena died in Perth on 1 November 1982.
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: vbryce on Saturday 02 September 17 09:39 BST (UK)
Hi,

I'm descended from Henry Aubrey (GG/Father).

My Grandfather was Thomas Martin Cowan Fizgerald, son of W.W. Cowan and Annie Cowan/Fitzgerald/Strom nee McInnes (3 marriages).

TM Fitzgerald married Helena Hannah Olsen (my G/Mother) whose parents were Johannes Olsen and Ellen Aubrey.

Ellen's parents were Henry and Jane Aubrey.

HTH,

Vincent

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: GeneAddict on Friday 22 September 17 12:30 BST (UK)
Hi all,
My husband is also the grandson of Lena and Thomas Fitzgerald. I started building out his family tree last year and discovered this post. I was just re-reading the information as I am trying to break through the Henry Aubrey wall, and discovered the new comments.
For any of you who are interested, I did manage to break through the Walter William Cowan wall yesterday. I found a possible lead and was building out the information, and then it was later confirmed thanks to a high DNA match (hubby has done his DNA). His father was actually George Chowne and his mother Emma Hutchby and he was born William Walter Chowne in London in 1864. So yet another name change  :P
So far DNA hasn't helped with finding out who Henry Aubrey was yet though. If anyone has any ideas, i'd love to hear them - I wish WA records are better for genealogy!! Sheena  :)
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: vbryce on Friday 22 September 17 13:28 BST (UK)
That's great work Sheena! I've been looking for the Cowan link for years and didn't have any progress. Would be great to connect and hear more of your husband's story. We didn't have much contact with our cousins growing up.
Vincent
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: GeneAddict on Saturday 23 September 17 03:11 BST (UK)
Hi Vincent,
Hubby too, grew up not knowing anything about that side of the family. He was quite interested when I told him that we had connected yesterday. His father is aware that I am researching the family tree but to this point in time has not provided any information and I get the feeling he isn't overly interested in a lot of it. After doing my families family trees, I wanted to do hubby's, more for our children to know their ancestry. I find it all so facinating - I love it!
Hopefully we can chat further and perhaps cross out some more connections.
Sheena

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Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: CallyJ on Saturday 23 September 17 20:02 BST (UK)
Hi All

Henry Aubrey was my Great Grandfather and his daughter Ellen my Grandmother. I spent a lot of time with my mother's sisters when I was growing up. I never remember them talking about their grandparents. My mother did mention that when Henry died there was money or property in the UK to claim and that Ellen was always angry that Uncle Tom (Thomas Aubrey) would not go to England to make that claim.

I too have been looking for information on Henry Aubrey for years and have had no success. I suspect he must have changed his name after arriving in Australia.
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 23 September 17 23:23 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: CallyJ on Sunday 24 September 17 00:09 BST (UK)
The following information relates to the names mentioned in my post - Reply #41:

Henry Aubrey - Born 1837 and died in 1907
Ellen Aubrey - Born 1881 and died in 1952
Thomas Aubrey - Born 1880 and died in 1963
My mother died in 1997 and all her sisters have also passed away

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: GeneAddict on Sunday 24 September 17 01:36 BST (UK)
Thanks Sue, amended my post accordingly.

Hi CallyJ.
I agree that it looks as though his name must have changed once arriving in Australia. Hubby did have a DNA match that had a few Abery ancestors in their tree, but I have tried building out that family as far back as I can and then forward again, and so far have no leads to connect them to Henry Aubery. I will keep at it and if I find out anything more I will let you know :)
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: CallyJ on Sunday 24 September 17 09:08 BST (UK)
A English passenger named Henry ABERY, aged 26 years, travelled from Melbourne to Hobart Town on the barque Oceanica on the 29 September 1852.

This Henry Abery would have been born around 1826-27.

Over the years I have searched variations of the spelling of Aubrey but have not found anything. I always wondered why a 15 year old boy (born in 1837) would come to Australia on his own in 1852.

An item in the Geraldton Express of Friday, 27 December 1907, page 4, in a column called Yalgoo Yappings said:

"Harry Aubery, an old identity of the district, died last night (Sunday) after a short illness. Deceased was 70 years of age, and had been about the district for the last fifty years. He leaves a family of one son and three or four daughters, none of whom were near enough to get here in time for the funeral, which took place today."

I will do some more research and post any information I find.

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Bish29 on Sunday 18 February 18 10:02 GMT (UK)
Hi. My grandmother was Eileen may Aubrey. Later Clarke. Her mother was Minnie Aubrey. She was born in 1910 and passed away 2010. We were not allowed to pry. As she put it into her background until she died. She was I believe put into an orphanage as a part aboriginal. From her grandmothers side. Jane governor. I've just started my research so any help would be great. I'm pretty new to this and keep hitting brick walls.
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Myangels on Tuesday 25 September 18 04:38 BST (UK)
Hi,
I would be very interested in knowing more on the Fitzgerald Family for Geraldton if anyone had any. Have just started researching my dads side of the family. Edwin Stewart Fitzgerald is my Great Grandad who married Edith Fitzgerald (Parsons).
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: CallyJ on Friday 09 November 18 01:55 GMT (UK)
I refer to my previous post on 24 September 2017.

I still haven't found my great grandfather Henry Aubrey but was told some information from an Aubrey cousin. Henry was an Irishman and he had red hair. He was also a teacher.

The red hair explains where the red hair comes from in my own and extended family.

I was told that many Irish people travelled to Liverpool to depart the UK and put Liverpool as their birthplace on the documentation.

Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Lenah on Wednesday 16 January 19 05:09 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: GeneAddict on Thursday 22 August 19 02:10 BST (UK)
Hi all, Just thought I would give an update as to where I am at with my search for Henry Aubrey in case any of you have any ideas on where to go from here. I have been using hubby's DNA matches and focusing on those who have DNA in common on the Aubrey side. I have built out some 'play' trees to see if they help. So far, I have found several DNA matches who all descend from an Irish couple who emigrated to USA - John Barnes (Barrins/Berrane/Beirne) and Mary Golden. They were born in County Mayo Ireland in the 1860's and emigrated to Chicago, Illinois. I have been able to determine their parents were Patrick Barnes + Anne Rutledge and John Golden + Margaret Kelly, all born late 1820's / 1830's. But the records for this time / area are not the best so haven't been able to go back a generation, or even determine siblings for any of the latter. There is a good chance that Henry Aubrey is actually a sibling (which ties in with your Irish theory CallyJ) and that he changed his name somewhere along the way. At the moment I am not sure how to proceed from here, until another prominant DNA match appears. If any one has any ideas, please feel free to let me know!! Would love to break through this major brickwall.
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Native88 on Sunday 25 August 19 07:32 BST (UK)
AUBREY Arthur b.(c)1910 (at M.R.N.S 29.6.1922 No 354)
AUBREY Bridget b.(c)1884 dtr of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBREY Ellen b.(c)1881 dtr of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBREY Henry b.(c)1830 (Liverpool England) d.22.12.1907 (Cumberland Hotel Yalgoo)
(Yalgoo) marr (Dongarra)(c)1865 Jane (Ab) b.(c)1834 d.24.12.1891 (Albany), iss,
Julia b.(c)1873, Ellen b.(c)1881, Thomas b.(c)1882, Bridget b.(c)1884, Louisa b.(c)1886,
Mary b.(c)1888, Margaret b.(c)1888, Minnie b.(c)1890 ( 3 males dec'd prior to 1907)
AUBREY Julia b.(c)1873 dtr of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBREY Louisa b.(c)1886 dtr of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBREY Maggie , chd; Jason b.10.5.1970 (Roebourne)(see LEE Thomas)
AUBREY Margaret b.(c)1888 dtr of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBREY Mary b.(c)1888 dtr of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBREY Minnie b.(c)1890 dtr of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBREY Phyllis, chd; Paul b.4.5.1970 (Roebourne)
AUBREY Thomas b.(c)1882 son of Henry Aubrey and Jane
AUBRY Ann marr William Pearce (see PEARCE)
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Lenah on Monday 16 September 19 06:05 BST (UK)
Cando

Thomas FitzGerald and Thomas Martin Cowan were the same man … he used an alias, have no idea why.

He was my grandfather; my mother was his daughter by Hannah Helena.  I never met him.  He served with a Western Australian machine gun squadron in Malaysia, was imprisoned as a POW in Changi and came back, as many did, with fairly serious psychological issues - hence the breakdown of his marriage.  He founded the Western Australian cray-fishing industry etc,

Lenah
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: cando on Monday 16 September 19 13:19 BST (UK)
Lenah.......One of my earlier replies......

Bingo....I think this is our elusive Thomas Martin...

COWAN George Thomas Martin       
Father Walter William     Mother Annie McINNES
District Perth  Reg#4820   1903

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article67101278
The Geraldton Guardian & Express  27 Jun 1929
PERSONAL
The engagement is announced of Hannah Helena, eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs J E Olsen, of Oakagee, to Thomas Martin, fourth son of Mrs J H Fitzgerald, of Francis Street, Geraldton.

Australian Electoral Roll
1930
FITZGERALD Annie  333 Marine Parade  Geraldton  HD
FITZGERALD James Hawkins  383 Marine Parade  Geraldton  Retired.

Marriage
FITZGERALD James H   
COWAN Annie
District Perth   Reg#437   1910   

Cando
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: getovait on Saturday 31 July 21 14:44 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,
I'm John Edward and Ellen Helena Olsen g/daughter. My father was Arthur George 24.3.1913 died and  Uncle John Edward 17.1.1908 took over the farm at OAKAGEE that their parents left to all the kids after paying them out.
MY G/father jumped ship over east when he came out from Sweden and changed his name from Johanne Edwarde Olssen or Olsson or something similar to Olsen
I have lost touch with all my cousins from this side of the family.
Actually seeing my G/mothers sisters names is surreal as my father n uncles n aunts never talked about them. They all hid the fact that they had aboriginal in them
Title: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in WAustralia - AUBREY/DONGARA/PEARS
Post by: Cjazee on Thursday 30 September 21 23:27 BST (UK)
Hi

I am looking for the missing link in my Grandfathers story.  His name was James Pearce/Pearse he was born Yalgoo 1890 to William Pearse/Pearce and Anni.  Annie was aboriginal and her mother Jane Thungarra/Dhungarra/Dongarra/Governor was aboriginal. 

Jane married Henry Aubrey (1830-1907), there was embarrasment of the times to to have aboriginal blood.  I understand that Jane and Henry had Julia, Thomas, Ellen, Rudolph, Margaret, Mary ann, Bridget and Milli Aubrey.

Annie is my grandfathers mother and i a sourcing more information on this ladys missing link.  I believe they may have been take to moore river native settlement.

Annies mum Jane had a brother called Willie Governor who was born in Champion Bay (Geraldton Region). Any help or information you may have will be gladly appreciated. 

My name is Carmel Jones, my mother was Lorraine Pearse/Pearce, her mother was Gladys Kennedy, she married James Pearse/Pearce, his mother was Annie.  What records i have record that she was known as Anni (aboriginal). 

cheers

Carmel
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: CallyJ on Thursday 14 October 21 20:19 BST (UK)
Hi Carmel

I'm sorry I am unable to help you with your missing link to your grandfather's story, but you have answered a query I had regarding my own family connection to William Pearce and Annie.

My great grandparents were Henry and Jane. Their daughter Elllen was my grandmother. If Annie was Jane's daughter this makes her my grandmother's sister/half sister and my mother your grandfather's 1st cousin. On Ancestry DNA I have links to descendants of William Pearce and Annie so of course this explains the connection.

Moore River Native Settlement was established in 1917 and the first residents arrived in 1918. I wonder if the State Records Office in Perth have any records on the early residents of the settlement. Might be worth checking out.

I have a book named 'Yalgoo' written by Alex Palmer and published in 1985 which tells the story on pages 4 and 5 of William Pearce and his involvement in the discovery of gold in Yalgoo in 1892.

 
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: getovait on Monday 18 October 21 18:46 BST (UK)
Hi CallyJ,
if Ellen was your grandmother and she is mine as well, that means we're cousins. I have not met any relatives from my grandmothers side. May I ask who your parents are?
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: Cjazee on Wednesday 27 October 21 23:23 BST (UK)
Hi Callyj,

thank you for this.  I have a family tree on ancestry.com i am happy to share if you wish. aboriginal births deaths etc were not recorded so early in WA's history.  also aboriginal names was only singular, so annie, janie etc were all they were referred to as.  i plan to head to the state records to do some further checking. also early pioneers often had aboriginal wives per se.  thank you for the Yalgoo reference will do further digging.

cheers
Title: Re: Seeking a family who lived in Geraldton in Western Australia.
Post by: thomo7 on Thursday 28 October 21 13:14 BST (UK)
Hi all,
I was about to have a shot as some research on your topic but looks like much of the Aussie history is done! I lived in the Kimberley for about 15 years and though on the east coast now, can really relate to the distances and lack of records that you've mentioned. A friend of ours (who is now deceased) applied to receive the aged pension about 10 years ago and found that he didn't have a birth certificate, he requested a search and was told that he didn't have one, so to prove his age he had to find a contact from the community near where he was born, (he was born in the far eastern part of WA, in a cave, literally, and he hadn't been living in the area of his birth for about 45 years). He located a fellow who completed a stat dec to say that when he was about 12 years old, our friend had been born! Fortunately, our friend was able to receive his pension and retire!
All the best on your quest.
Cheers, JT