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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: colincam on Saturday 30 July 16 13:57 BST (UK)
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My great grandmother Mary Wallace is living with her family in Oathlaw, Angus in the 1841 Census as follows:-
Surname First Name Age Occupation Where born
Wallace David 35 Ag Lab Angus
Greig Ann 35 Angus
Wallace Ann 10 Angus
Wallace Alexander 7 Angus
Wallace Mary 6 Angus
Wallace Robert 2 Angus
I am keen to find out what happened to any of her siblings; Ann, Alexander and Robert who for some reason do not appear with their parents in the 1851 Census.
Can anybody help me in this quest?
Regards
colincam
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Ann may have married by 1851 so I would check for a possible marriage.
One or more could sadly have passed away so check for deaths between 1841-1851 just in case.
Is Mary with her parents in 1851 or are they on their own with no children?
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Note the 3 younger children are all down as "Walline" on ancestry.
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Ann Wallace Servant Unmarried Female 30 1831 Domestic Servant Maryton, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland could this be her 1861
Mary Wallace Servant Unmarried Female 17 1834 House Servt Brechin, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland 1851
Ann Wallace Servant Unmarried Female 22 1829 Housemaid Oathlaw, Angus, Scotland 1851
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VYBL-28K this Robert I think
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Hi Milliepede & robo196
Thanks for your response to my query. In reply
1. Yes, only Mary is with her parents in the 1851 Census.
2. That looks like a very good bet for Ann Wallace in the 1861 Census. She is the only child with a birth record and it states that she was born in Maryton by Montrose, Forfarshire. Unfortunately you don't state the location of your various census entries
3. Where in Ancestry does it show the 3 younger children as "Walline"?
4. I have looked for marriages and deaths for all of them but have had no success largely because their names are so common in Scotland
Regards
colincam
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Ann Wallace married James McBride in Aberdeen area in 1867 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJ7-73N
This is them I think in 1871:
James McBride 40 Railway [Poctor?...likely Porter] b. Ireland
Ann McBride 38 b. Maryton, Forfarshire
Address: 3 Fishcross St, Fraserburgh Aberdeenshire
No children from the marriage I would say. They have moved to Aberdeen by 1881. Possible death for Ann in 1914 in the Aberdeen City area.
Monica :)
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Given the age of Robert (2) in 1841, you would think he would still be with parents in 1851 (although some could be out of the home working by then. Can't easily see anything for him though in 1851.
Mary is your line isn't she? Where was she born, from later census entries? Might help with some clues on birth place for Alexander given they were close in age.
In the 1851, the only possible entry I can see so far for Alexander is this one:
Alexander Wallace, 17, Shoemaker (app), b. Fearn, Forfar
Address: Market Square, Fettercairn, Kincardineshire
Monica
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Maybe a family to keep a note of...Robert Wallace and his wife Mary have a wee boy called Robert the same age as David and Ann's son. In 1841 this family can be found living Logie Pert but the couple are from Kincardineshire originally - Mary's from Marykirk the same place as Ann Greig. It's just they have an apprentice with them by the name of Alexander Greig age 15 seems a bit of a coincidence.
Jen
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Hi All
Thanks for your help. In reply
1. Ann Wallace did marry James McBride in 1867 and did die in Aberdeen in 1914 but sadly in the Royal Asylum. I took a gamble and purchased both records. Well done MonicaL
2. The Alexander Wallace aged 17 in Fettercairn in the 1851 Census could also be our man. He claims to be born in Fern, Forfarshire which is where my great grandmother Mary Wallace also claims she was born.
3. The Wallace family in Logie Pert in 1841 Census bear some striking similarities. However I am not sure if there is any connection although Robert Senr could be a brother of my David's
Regards
colincam
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Hi Colincam,
I see you have Rae in your list of names do they link in anyway with these Wallaces?
Jen
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Hi jennywren001
Yes, my great grandmother, Mary Wallace married a James Rae but I know all about them.
Regards
colincam
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Looks like Ann had a child before marriage he's with his grandparents in 1861...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY1X-RVQ
The Alexander Greig (tailor) who was apprenticed to Robert Wallace in Logie Pert is back with his family in 1851 all born Marykirk.
As both David and Ann lived past 1855 did either of their children sign the death certificates?
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Hi jennywren001
Thank you for your interest.
I knew about Ann Wallace's illegitimate son but he died in his grandparent's house at the age of only 6.
For your information, David Wallace's death in 1874 was registered by a neighbour whereas Ann Greig's death in 1884 was registered by her son-in-law, my great grandfather. What does this tell us?
Regards
colincam
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hi there got the census off findmy past
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Maybe Ann was too distraught at the time of his death to go register the event? Having read your other post about Ann Greig I know her parents were not listed on her DC - were David's parents listed on his DC?
Jen
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Hi jennywren001
Yes, David's parents are named on his death certificate as Alexander Wallace and Ann Ross.
You should know that the Wallace and Rae families are buried in Rosehill Cemetery (Old & New), Montrose but unfortunately the bottom half of the Wallace gravestone is severely damaged. In DeceasedOnline there are couple of possible burials for Alexander Wallace Junr (1863 & 1871)
Regards
colincam
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Hi All
Sadly, neither of the two Alexander Wallace's buried in the Old Rosehill Cemetery, Montrose in 1863 and 1871 are who I am looking for. I checked on Scotland's People.
I now think that since both his sisters, Mary and Ann went to live in Aberdeen, there is a chance that he did also.
Regards
colincam
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I have a new query under the above topic.
Since my earlier thread in 2016, I have discovered that on the rear of David Wallace’s family gravestone in Rosehill Cemetery, Montrose, it states that "Also of his daughter Elizabeth Wallace who died 9 January 1894 aged 64".
I would love to find out more about Elizabeth if I can. For example where she died; who, where and when she married etc.
Can anybody please help me?
From the inscription, she was obviously born in 1830 and probably in Maryton by Montrose.
Please note that I have been unable to find a record of Elizabeth’s death in ScotlandsPeople which may mean she died abroad or in England.
Regards
colincam
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I wonder where Elizabeth was in 1841 as she doesn't seem to be in the household census entry that has been posted for that year.
Monica
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Hi Monica
Elizabeth would have been 11 yrs in 1841 so at that age she could have been employed as a servant in some other farm.
Regards
colincam
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Indeed, just there is no sign of her in 1841 that I can see :-\
There is one Elizabeth born in 1830 with father David in 1841:
David Wallace 40 shoemaker
Helen Wallace 40
James Wallace 20
Alexander Wallace 10
Jane Wallace 9
Dariel Wallace 5
William Wallace 4
Elizabeth Wallace 1
Address: Lochlands, Arbroath Inverbrothock, Angus
I assume there are other identifying names etc and dates for the David Wallace you mention buried at Rosehill Cemetery, Montrose to make you certain it is the David in your line?
Monica
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Monica
The Elizabeth Wallace you have found in the 1841 Census was born in 1840 not 1830. She is aged 1.
Also this is definitely not my David Wallace family; his wife was Ann as stated in the subject above.
It is possible that my Elizabeth Wallace was recorded in the 1841 Census with the wrong age. This is not an uncommon error especially with the rounding-down and her probably living with another household.
Regards
colincam
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Sorry, I have jumped a decade in that Elizabeth's age :-\
Monica
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Hi Monica
I have found at least 2 possible Elizabeth Wallaces b c1830 Forfarshire in the 1841 Census
1. living with the Milnes in the High Street, Montrose, Forfarshire
2. living with the Kennedys at Glackburn, Cortachy, Forfarshire.
However we will never know if one of these is correct and anyway I don't think it will take us very far forward in our search for Elizabeth. We need to find a possible marriage and/or 1894 death record from somewhere. Do you not agree?
Regards
colincam