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Hi team
Just wondering if anyone is able to check if there are baptisms for Thomas NEWEY bc.1797 and Martha NEWEY bc.1798. Both states they were born in Leicestershire, but I don't know where. Both were married in August 1822 at St. Margaret's Leicester.
I'm wondering if they are brother and sister?!
In censuses, Martha says she's born in Cossington, but Thomas died in 1842.
TIA, bitzar.
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Hi
Cossington PR has this
Martha Nowey c 20 August 1797 parents Samuel & Mary
But I can't see anything for a Thomas
Bunnygirl
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Thanks Bunnygirl
BUT, this makes me even more curious as Thomas had a son, Samuel!
bitzar.
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Two topics *you might not have seen on some Leicestershire Newey's . Most Newey's though seem to have originated in the Birmingham area, so might be worth checking there too
William Newey - Exile
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=626945.0
Re Thomas and Mary Newey
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=710891.0
Edit- *Sorry I see you have already replied to one topic, so have already seen them
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Hi team
Just wondering if anyone is able to check if there are baptisms for Thomas NEWEY bc.1797 and Martha NEWEY bc.1798. Both states they were born in Leicestershire, but I don't know where. Both were married in August 1822 at St. Margaret's Leicester.
I'm wondering if they are brother and sister?!
In censuses, Martha says she's born in Cossington, but Thomas died in 1842.
TIA, bitzar.
More likely that they might be cousins
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Actually, looking more closely, they both have sons named Samuel! Plus they were married in the same church.
So far my Newey's are strictly Leicestershire. I have seen that there are some families in other counties.
sallyyorks, the other 2 threads you mention are my family. William the exile is the eldest son of Thomas and Mary. The Thomas is the one I'm questioning now as bro of Martha.
Many thanks,
Bitzar
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Hi team
Just wondering if anyone is able to check if there are baptisms for Thomas NEWEY bc.1797 and Martha NEWEY bc.1798. Both states they were born in Leicestershire, but I don't know where. Both were married in August 1822 at St. Margaret's Leicester.
I'm wondering if they are brother and sister?!
In censuses, Martha says she's born in Cossington, but Thomas died in 1842.
TIA, bitzar.
Not sure if you have this, but according to my transcript Thomas & Mary were married in the presence of Martha Newey.
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Cant find anything to connect them as brother & sister, but there is a bastardy record from the quarter session books relating to Martha Newey of Cossington & Matthew Collins (parish not stated).
11 Oct 1819 (Michaelmas) - Continuance
10 Jan 1820 (Epiphany) - X (it is uncertain what this means)
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Jomot
I also love your work! What does 'Michaelmas' refer to?! Excuse my ignorance!!! When I goog*d it, it is the feast of St. Michael, 29th September. Maybe this is when the child was born. So in short, Martha is claiming maintenance or acknowledgment that her illegitimate child's father is Matthew Collins?! I wish I could have an 'epiphany' and work this Newey lot out!
Sooooooooooooooooooo, if Martha was present at Thomas and Mary's nuptual's then the likelihood of her being a CLOSE relation to Thomas is strong.... Given the facts they were both born in Leicestershire, both married at the same church, both had son's Samuel! Am I grasping too much at straws?!
so many thanks to all
bitzar
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I've just realised in some of my very old notes that I've got Richard Langham marrying Hannah Newey at Rothley 1814. Richard I think is the brother of Martha Newey's husband. Makes sense that brother's marry sister's.... BUT Hannah Newey states on various census' various birthplaces... Derby, Warickshire and I think born in county for Leicestershire 1841. Maybe she is a cousin, not a sister. Is there any mention of Hannah Newey and Richard Langham anywhere. I have them on census.
tia, bitzar.
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What does 'Michaelmas' refer to?!
This may help explain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_session
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Oic
Any mention of the child's name?!
Did you notice my reply #9.
Regards bitzar.
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No mention of the child's name. The original record is at Leicestershire Records office, although I'm not sure how much more information, if any, it would add.
I haven't had a chance to look for Hannah & Richard yet - I've been on the phone for almost 2 hours ! Will see what I can find this afternoon.
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and I take it that phone call is not for fun! :-X :-X :-X
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Can't find anything more of much help I'm afraid, although others will have CD's I don't.
I wonder if Martha's illegitimate child died, as there's a burial in Cossington 2 Jan 1820 for a Charles Newey (no age given).
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Hi
Richard Langham & Hannah Newey's marriage at Rothley on 22 Feb 1814 by banns Richard a bachelor of this parish & Hannah a spinster of this parish. Witnesses John Langham & Martha Newey. They baptized 2 children in Rothley as follows;
Thomas Langham c 26 Feb 1815 p Richard & Ann Langham ....FWK
Martha Langham c 24 March 1816 Richard & Hannah ... FWK
There are 2 other marriages in Rothley at about the same time that may be of interest to you
12 October 1816 by Banns
John Langham of this parish bachelor
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Rachel Preston of this parish spinster.
Witnesses William Mill & William Woolstone .
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24th June 1816 by banns
Samuel Langham of this parish bachelor
&
Mary Hughes of this parish spinster.
Witnesses Joseph Hewson Webster & Susan Daniel.
Bunnygirl
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Great information Bunnygirl :)
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Jomot and bunnygirl, thanks so much.
I am confident I have placed John Langham as bro of Richard, but I cant place Saml. Saml is probs a bro too as there was a bro Saml who died as an infant. Probs another bro named in his place but I cant see a baptism on Anc* or IG*
Interesting that Martha was a witness for Hannah, if she's the same Martha that is. IF she is a sister then possible Hannah is older and was born in Derby or Warwickshire as she stated on census, and then the family moved to Leics. Lots and if and maybe's though.
Are baptism / burials / marriages for Cossington, Rothley, and Thurlaston available online or disk, etc. Do you think anyone on here will have access?! Do you think it's worth posting a thread if anyone can do a whole surname name surname search for NEWEY at these locales?!
Thanks again for all your efforts.
bitzar.
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Also found Martha & Thomas Langham burials if you are interested
Welford Road Cemetery Plot uF 558c
Martha Langham 10 Feb 1877 aged 79yrs Winifred Street St Mary's
Thomas Langham 27 Feb 1879 aged 81yrs Winifred Street St Mary's
Also in same plot
James Langham 30 March 1864 aged 73yrs Sanvey Gate All Saints
Thomas Langham 4 April 1876 aged 55yrs Sanvey Gate All Saints
Smith Eva Ellanor 17 Dec 1903 aged 18yrs 17 Cork Street Leicester
Hope these help you
Bunnygirl
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Thanks bunnygirl.
I only had Martha and Thomas Snr.
bitzar.
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Hi
NBI cd3 has these burials
Newey
St George Leicester
15 Jan 1843 Elizabeth Newey infant
8 July 1834 John Newey infant
12 April 1832 Mary Newey aged 7yrs
1 July 1832 Samuel Newey infant
24 Feb 1842 Thomas Newey aged 45yrs
8 Sept 1835 William Newey infant
Cossington
2 Jan 1820 Charles Newey aged 1 month
5 Jan 1815 Mary Newey aged 64yrs
I've sent you a pm
Bunnygirl
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Hi
NBI cd3 has these burials
Newey
St George Leicester
15 Jan 1843 Elizabeth Newey infant
8 July 1834 John Newey infant
12 April 1832 Mary Newey aged 7yrs
1 July 1832 Samuel Newey infant
24 Feb 1842 Thomas Newey aged 45yrs
8 Sept 1835 William Newey infant
Cossington
2 Jan 1820 Charles Newey aged 1 month
5 Jan 1815 Mary Newey aged 64yrs
I've sent you a pm
Bunnygirl
Team,
I'm wondering if there is any info in papers, etc re this Mary NEWEY. Who was she?!
tia,
bitzar.
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Looked at Non-conformist and don't think this has been mentioned, when Richard Langham is bap., his mother's parents are listed
Loughborough, High Street Wesleyan Methodist
Langham Richard
Bap 12-Mar 1823
Birth 22-Oct 1822
Parents Richard Hannah Newey .....framework knitter living in Rothley
Mother's parents Samuel & Mary
also found
Thomas and Martha were in Rothley 1830....framework knitter living in Rothley
Loughborough, High Street Wesleyan Methodist
Langham Dinah
Bap 24-Jan 1831
Birth 16-Sep 1830
Only Newey mentioned I could find on my bits to hand but thought the second one was the Martha you were chasing
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SORRY I got confused looking at Langham's!
For Dinah's baptism, her parents are Thomas Langham and Martha Newey.
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Willsy
THANK YOU for this. It hasn't been mentioned and I have not seen it.
I think Thomas, Hannah, and Martha were siblings but I can only find a baptism for Martha at Cossington 1797 to Samuel and Mary. The Mary who was buried at Cossington 5th Jan 1815 aged 64 could be their mother.
Martha Witnessed with her mark the marriages of both Hannah and Thomas, which was my first inkling of a close relationship.
Hannah LANGHAM keeps changing her birthplace...
1841 its Leicestershire
1851 its St. Mary Derby
1861 its Rugby, Warwickshire.
It does appear though from this that the family may of evolved from the Warwickshire / Derbyshire NEWEY families. Hannah was married first in 1814 so was maybe older. Poss she was born then her parents came to Leicestershire?!
There is a Samuel and Mary baptising children in Birmingham during this time, Samuel was a Jeweller though. My NEWEY's were fairly much Leicestershire Peasants so I'm not sure if that fits.
Thanks again Willsy.
bitzar.
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Have been going round in circles!
I didn't think you had this one and kept checking the threads. Went over Robert Cook Brewin but can't work it out ???
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Now I have lost you... Who is Robert Cook Brewin?!
bitzar.
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Robert Cook Brewin married Elizabeth Newey 2 mar 1813 St Mary Nottingham, he was of Rothley, she was of St Mary Nottm.
When Martha marries 1822 in Leicester, one of the witnesses is ?Robert Cook Brewin
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1851 census Elizabeth Brewin nee Newey gives PoB as Derby
There is this baptism
Elizabeth Newey Bapt. 27 April 1785 Derby, daughter of Samuel and Mary.
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The baptism was at St Alkmunds, where a year earlier there is this marriage
Samuel Newey married Mary Redfern on 30 September 1784.
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Blimey , Yes! Elizabeth has to be related somehow doesn't she?!
bitzar.
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Sorry Claire, my last reply was to Willsy
There is also a Mary in 1787 at St Alkmunds. I was looking at them earlier today and wondering.
bitzar.
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Looks like it doesn't it - Mary daughter of Samuel and Mary Bapt. 28 May 1787
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A bit of a spanner in the works :-\
Hannah Bapt. 2 August 1789 Derby St Alkmunds, daughter of Samuel and SARAH Newey
Wonder if it has been transcribed wrongly
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Claireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...... C'mon, lol.
Some online tree's have that baptism for Hannah with parents Saml and Sarah, but they haven't made the connection with her siblings that we have.
Willsy, that find was incredible.
bitzar.
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Hi bitzar
Have a hospital appt 17.40 so will look in later, went to the Notts records office last week would you believe!
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Jist been looking for refs for St Alkmund
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k55/
there's a marriage 5th from the bottom 30th Sep 1784
Samuel Newey to Mary Fedfern
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Sorry Claire, have just seen your reference
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Thanks Willsy. Your assistantance is always appreciated anyway.
Can anyone see a death for Samuel?! There are a few in Derby BUT Martha was baptised at Cossington, Leics in 1797 to Samuel and Mary. I've also got Thomas bc 1797 (he died 1842 aged 45)supposedly in Leicestershire.
bitzar.
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Thomas Newey of Upper Charles Street buried 24 Feb 1842 aged 45.
There is also a Banns record in 1799 of a Thomas Newey and a Jane Holliday.
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Claire
That's my 4th gr grandfather. I should of worded myself better before. I know Thomas NEWEY died in 1942 aged 45. He was SUPPOSEDLY born in Leicestershire c1797 according to the 1841 census. Martha witnessed his 1822 marriage in the same month as hers at St. Margarets.
I haven't come across Thomas and Jane HOLLIDAY 1799 yet.
bitzar.
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Hi bitzar
No need for apologies :)
I put up the 1799 marriage on the chance this Thomas could be a brother/ relation of Samuel and given the year of marriage - possibly 'your' Thomas's parents.
I can't see a baptism for Thomas in Leicestershire or Derbyshire.
And can't see a burial for Samuel Newey either.
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I cant see a baptism for Thomas anywhere either.
I'm running with Thomas being the brother of Martha at the moment, because of her witness mark on his MC. The other witness was Thomas LANGHAM, who married Martha 15 days later. Thomas NEWEY also had a son Samuel.
bitzar.
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Possibly earlier than you are looking for but there is a baptism at Marple Bridge Independent, Derbyshire in 1794.
Thomas the son of Saml Neewey and his wife Marple New Twoun was bapd by me J Bartle Oct 14 1794
"New Twoun" is written as Newtown on other baptisms, so it's possible that Neewey should be Newey.
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Hi
Thomas Newey married Jane Holladay at All Saints Leicester. From PR
23 April 1799
Thomas Newey of this parish & Jane Holladay of this parish
I can't see any baptisms for the couple at All Saints BUT there is a burial
Anne Newey daughter of Thomas Newey 3 April 1803
Bunnygirl
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Brilliant finds :) :)
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AMAZING finds....
I only think Thomas was bc1797 as per his burial in 1842 aged 45, AND the 1841 census aged 45. A baptism in 1794 seems perfectly legit. I'm just not used to family moving around so much...
I can only see banns for Thomas NEWEY and Jane HOLLADAY. Interesting to know the witnesses.
bitzar.
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The Thomas Newey who married Jane Holladay was a Sergeant in the 17th Regiment.
Witnesses were Thos Clark & Ann Blibbing (?)
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Thomas Newey born Birmingham enlisted in the 17th Regiment of Foot (Leicestershire Regiment) on 2 Jan 1793 at Bristol, aged 25. His discharge in 1819 said he was a Brass Founder by occupation.
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Jist been looking for refs for St Alkmund
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k55/
there's a marriage 5th from the bottom 30th Sep 1784
Samuel Newey to Mary Fedfern
The image for this is on Familysearch, although you need to sign in first to view
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k59/
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I looked at that last night but it said only viewable at a family history centre and wow it works, fab Jomot
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Looks like the witnesses were Rosamond CRAYNO and John _______ ?! What did you read?!
I know its not odd, but I still feel it is, that many a parent could write but their children couldn't! I've come across this a few times now. Maybe Samuel died or times were just too difficult for my people.
as always.... many thanks.
bitzar.
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Looks like Rosamond CRAYNO ~ possibly Crayne
John Frost ? ?
and John Cockayne
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I read the witnesses as John Frost, Rosamond Crayno & John Cockayne
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I think it might be Crayne
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VNT1-RF3
17 Nov 1793 Rosamund Crayne to John Longdon at St Alkmunds
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Looks like her Willsy. Cant place them as yet.
bitzar.
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Found a burial at St Almunds for a Rosamund Longdon birth 1763, burial 7 Feb 1829
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k5j/
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Not really helping but she is named as wife of John Longdon, Chester Road as parish register
Derby Mercury 11 February 1829