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Title: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Sunday 31 July 16 12:52 BST (UK)
Today I came across a PCC will which I am thrilled about because it proves a link with my Dwarihouse family from Bebington, Cheshire and the Dwarihouse family from Childwall and West Derby. I think this will is most likely for the William Dwarihouse who was Mayor of Liverpool 1636-1637. There is no baptism in Bebington for William, but he is certainly my 12x great grandmother’s brother as William mentions his nephew Thomas Sparke of Bebington who was the son of his sister Margery who married John Sparke in Bebington in 1617. Another sister Margaret Dwarihouse married William Wilson in 1611 at Bebington and their son, William’s nephew “John Willson” is mentioned as another nephew.

I have transcribed as much as I can but I am not very good and request help to decipher what I cannot read. I have entered a few words in red which I am guessing but what I can’t transcribed is just dots. There are four pages and I will post each separately.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation

Gail

Page 1

 1 … In the name of God Amen
 2 … I William Dwarrihouse of West Derby in the County of Lancaster gentleman
 3 … being sicke and weake of body but of good and perfect memory praised bee god
 4 … therefore doe ordayne and make this my last will and testament in manner
 5 … and forme ffollowinge ffirst and principally I commytt and commend my
 6 … soule into the hands of Almighty god my maker and redeemer assuredly trusting
 7 … in and by the merritts death and passion of my only Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
 8 … to receive a full and ffree pardon of all my offences And my body I commytt to
 9 … the earth from whence I came to bee interred in the parish church of Walton
10 ... in decent and orderly manner at the discretion of my wife and of other my executors
11 … heerein heerreafter named And for the disposall of my estate reall and personall
12 … my will and minde is as ffolloweth ffirst I heereby will devise grannte and
13 … bequeath all that messuage and tennement with all lands liberties and hereditam[ent]s
14 … in Roby commonly called Childwalle house by mee heeretofore purchased from
15 … Henery Johnson deceased and others unto my nephew John Willson now liveing
16 … with mee and unto his heires and assignes absolutely forever And whereas I lately
17 … purchased from one Thomas Hesketh of little Poulton in the county of Lancaster
18 … Esq[uir]e and others a messuage and tennement in Orrell conteyninge aboute seaven
19 … large acres now occupyed by William Garratt …………….. of Orrell aforesaid and
20 … …………….. yearely rent of twelve shillings ffoure pence issueing out of a messuage
21 … and tennement in the watergate streete in Liverpoole in the holdinge of Mr
22 … …………….. his tennants or assignes I will devise grannte and bequeath the said
23 … messuage and tenement in Orrell aforesaid and all lands liberties and
24 … hereditaments theretobelonginge together with the said rent of twelve shillings
25 … ffoure pence to Thomas Sparke my nephew living in lower Bebington in the
26 … County of Chester and unto his heires and assignes forever nowbeit I doe heereby
27 … declare that my mynde is that if the said William Garratt his heires or assignes doe
28 … within three yeares next after my decease pay or cause to bee paid to my said
29 … newphew Thomas Sparke his heires or assignes the consideration or summe of
30 … money by mee paid for the purchase of the said last mentioned messuage tennem[en]t
31 … or rent together with the summe of twenty pounds by mee paid to as for the said
32 … Garratt and interest or damages for for forbearance of the said severall summes
33 … after the rate of eight pounds …………….. or soe much thereof as my now wife shall
34 … ……………….. and thinke reasonable then my said nephew Thomas Sparke and his
35 … heires to grannte bargaine and sell well and sufficiently the said last mentioned
36 … messuage tenement and rent to the said William Garratt his heires and assignes
37 … forever And I doe hereby will devise grannte and bequeathe all that messuage
38 … and tenement with the appurtenances in Thingwall in the said county of Lancaster
39 … by mee purchased from John Bolton of Thingwall aforesaid and all lands liberties
40 … and hereditaments theretobeloninge conteyninge about twenty two acres
41 … of land of the large measure to the sole onely proper use and beheese of Anne
42 … Dwarryhouse my now wife and of her heires and assignes absolutely forever yet
43 … neverthelesse my will and mynde is that the said John Bolton shall enjoy the said
44 … last mentioned messuage and tennement during his naturall life soe as hee
45 … pay yearely to my said wife or her heires the summe of eight pounds at and upon
46 … every second day of fferuary during the life of the said John Bolton And if
47 … hee the said John Bolton his heires or assignes doe at and upon any second day
48 … of ffebruary dureing the tearme of …… yeares next after my decease pay or

More to follow ...

Moderator comment: regret, RootsChat does not permit the posting of complete archive wills such as this.  You may post small sections which contain the specific words that are causing you difficulties but it must never amount to the complete will.
Title: Re: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: horselydown86 on Sunday 31 July 16 14:53 BST (UK)
First image:

19.  ...Garratt als Cooke of...                         [als = alias]
20.  a certaine yearely...
22.  Sorocold his tennants...                          [some question over initial letter]
33.  ...eight pound p(er) Cent(um) or soe much...
34.  adiudge and thinke reasonable...             [= adjudge]

ADDED:

48.  ....tearme of tenne...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: horselydown86 on Sunday 31 July 16 15:08 BST (UK)
Second page:

9.   ...as by Councill learned shall bee...       [= Counsel learned ie a barrister or other legal advisor]
20.  ...yeares yet unspent under the rent...      [ditto in line 30]
42.  whereas I am lawfully...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: horselydown86 on Sunday 31 July 16 15:22 BST (UK)
Third page:

13.  ...his wife a Silver Cann and to her little daughter a Jewell
  [the word in the margin is little - seems to refer back to the misspelt litle in that line]

27.  ...godsonne William Mossocke fforty...
28.  ...of The Tewbrooke...
42.  ...Robert sonne of Ralph Mercer butcher...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: horselydown86 on Sunday 31 July 16 15:41 BST (UK)
Fourth page:

2.  ...but they will duely performe the
7.  This will Consistinge of this...
9.  Nevill Raye vic(ar) ^et minister walton^ Thomas Boulton...   [I think]

The Latin in line 5 is something like:

...Anno RYs Caroli nunc Anglie &c vicesimo tertio...

It refers to the twenty third regnal year of King Charles I, being 1647 at the time (Old Style calendar) but 1648 to us now.

ADDED:

I haven't proof-read the remainder of the text.  Obviously there's no red text as it has come out to the web.

Highlight anything you wish to have more closely proofed.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Bookbox on Sunday 31 July 16 17:37 BST (UK)
Fourth page:
The Latin in line 5 is something like:

...Anno RYs Caroli nunc Anglie &c vicesimo tertio...

It refers to the twenty third regnal year of King Charles I, being 1647 at the time (Old Style calendar) but 1648 to us now.

Just to confirm ...

... Anno R(egni) R(egi)s Caroli nunc Anglie &c(etera) vicesimo tertio

... in the 23rd year of the reign of King Charles now of England etc. (= 20 February 1647/48).

(I think you will need to remove all the images posted above. Posting complete documents contravenes the copyright restrictions of this site. You're only supposed to post small extracts for deciphering purposes.)
Title: Re: Re: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: ScouseBoy on Sunday 31 July 16 17:48 BST (UK)
There is a Dwerryhouse Lane    and a Dwerryhouse  Street   in Liverpool   to this day.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: goldie61 on Sunday 31 July 16 22:34 BST (UK)
...... William Garratt alias Cooke of Orrell aforesaid.......

...........and a certaine yearly rent........

.......holding of Mr Borotold.........

.......after the rate of eight pounds per cent or soe much thereof as my now wife shall adudge and think reasonable..........


'alias' didn't necessarily mean there was anything fishy about him or his name - evidently the term was used to distinguish people specifically.

'Borotold' - I think that's  a 'b' - can't see what else it might be.

the 'p' abbreiviation is a common one for 'per'

Your 'words in red' seem to have disappeared, so if there's any others you want checking sing out. Perhaps just write the sentence in a post with the word in............

Happy hunting!  ;)
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Sunday 31 July 16 22:50 BST (UK)
Sorry I didn’t realise as I have seen several wills images posted in their entirety.

Many thanks for your help Goldie it is much appreciated.

As page one is still here I will add the remainder of what I can’t work out.

Page 2

 1 … cause to bee paid to my said wife her heires or assignes the summe of two hundred and eight
 2 … poundes of currant English money together with what money my said wife her
 3 … heires or assignes shall disburse or lay out in and aboute the denying of a ffine of the
 4 … said last mentioned messuage and tenement or obtayininge any further assurance
 5 … thereof from the said John Bolton then and in such case my said wife her heires
 6 … and assignes upon the reasonable demand costs and charges in the law of the said
 7 … John Bolton his heires or assignes to regrannte the said last mentioned messuage
 8 … tenement and lands to remayne to the said John Bolton and his issue lawfully
 9 … begotten in such manner as by …………………………………. shall bee reasonabley devised soe
10 ... as in and by the assurance to bee thereof made noe manner of power bee given to
11 … the said John Bolton or his issue lawfully begotten to sell away the same lands or
12 … any part thereof to any person or persons Item whereas I hold certain lands in
13 … Liverpoole and Bootle by lease from John Moore Esq[uir]e for tearme of three hundred
14 … yeares now I doe heereby will devise grannte assigne and sett over to the said
15 … Anne Dwarryhouse my wife and her assignes all and every the lands tennements
16 … and hereditaments in Liverpoole and Bootle aforesaid or either of them which I
17 … hold of the grannte of the said John Moore Esq[uir]e and all my estate interest tearme
18 … and demand of in and unto the same lands in any wise to hold to the said Anne
19 … Dwarryhouse her executors and assignes dureing the remainder of the said tearme
20 … of three hundred yeares …………………….. under the rent of two shillinges reserved
21 … for the same lands Item whereas I hold certaine other lands in Kerkdall Walton
22 … and Ffazakerley of the grannte of the said John Moore Esq[uir]e by lease made for terme
23 … of three hundred yeares by and under the yearely rent of a peppercorne now
24 … my will and mynde is and I doe hereby grannte devise bequeath and assigne
25 … over all and every the lands tennements and hereditaments in Kerkdall Walton
26 … and Ffazakerley aforesaid or any of them which I hold of the grannte of the said
27 … John Moore and all my tearme interest estate and demands of in and unto the
28 … same in any wise unto my executors herein hereafter named and to theire
29 … executors and assignes to hold dureinge all the remainder of the said tearme of
30 … three hundred yeares ………………………….. by and under the said rent of a peppercorne
31 … of intent and purpose onely that my said executors and theire assignes shall
32 … pay over the cleere yearely profits of the said lands as the same shall arise
33 … or the summe which shall bee raised by selling or settinge away for the tearme
34 … before mentioned the said last mentioned lands to such of my natural sisters
35 … and their children lawfully begotten as shall bee liveinge at the tyme of
36 … my death equally amongst them provided nevertheless and my intention is that if
37 … there bee not within seaven yeares next after my death due and true certificates
38 … had of the lives of my sister Elizabeth who went into Ireland and of her children
39 … soe many as shall bee liveinge then and in such case such part of the profits of the
40 … said lands as shall bee due to them by virtue of this my will shall bee equally
41 … divided amongst my other sisters and theire children part and partlike Item
42 … …………….. as I am lawfully seized or possessed to mee and my assignes for tearme
43 … of the lives natural of mee the said William Dwarryhouse and of John Bolton
44 … of Thingwall and for the life of the survivour of us two or for some great number
45 … of yeares determinable thereupon of and in all that messuage and tennement
46 … with the appurtenances in Bebington aforesaid now in the occupation of mee
47 … my undertennants or assignes being of the antient yearely rent of twenty
48 … seaven shillings nine pence or thereabouts now my will and mynde
49 … is and I doe heereby grannte devise bequeath assigne and sett over the same
50 … messuage and tennement and all my estate tearme and demands thereunto
51 … my said executors and theire assignes of intent and purpose onely that
52 … they shall permit and suffer my said natural sisters and their children
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Sunday 31 July 16 22:51 BST (UK)
Page 3

 1 … lawfully begotten and the survivours and survivor of them to have and
 2 … receive to theire equall use beneffitt and advantage the yearely proffitts
 3 … of the said messuage tennement and premises in Bebington aforesaid
 4 … as the same shall arise And for the disposal of my goods and personall estate
 5 … my will and mynde is as ffolloweth ffirst I give and bequeath to my said
 6 … sisters and their children lawfully begotten equally amongst them All
 7 … my goods and implements of household standing and being in and upon
 8 … the said messuage and tenement in Bebington aforesaid Item I give
 9 … to every one of my sisters which shall bee liveing at the tyme of my death
10 ... threescore pounds apeece and to every of my sisters children which shall
11 … bee living at the tyme of my death twenty pounds apeece Item I give to
12 … my good ffreind William Laughton of Preston in Amoundernes Esq[uir]e tenn
13 … pounds in gold and to his wife a silver …………. And to her little daughter a ……………….
14 … of gold in hope that the said Mr Laughton will perform what hee was pleased
15 … to promise mee Item I give to Mr William Smith of Snape an Attorney at
16 … Law ffive pounds in hope hee will likewise perform the truth which I repose
17 … in him Item I give to Mariery wife of John Dawse of Garston ffive pounds
18 … and to every one of her children which shall bee liveinge at the tyme of
19 … my death twenty shillinges apeece Item I give to the wife of Robert Dawse
20 … of Crowton twenty shillinges Item I give to William Bastwell of Augton
21 … twenty shillings and to his sonne ffive pounds Item I give to the wife of David
22 … Henshaw of Wavertree and to every of her children twenty shillings apeece
23 … and to William Diconson the younger of Wavertree twenty shillings Item
24 … I give to my good ffreind Peter Parr my sadle which is covered with leather
25 … and to the wife of the said Peter Parr ffive pounds and to his two children
26 … twenty shillings apeece and to the wife of Peter Parr of the ffylde twenty
27 … shillings and to my godsonne William ………………. fforty shillinges Item I give
28 … to Henry Mercer of the …………………… and to every one of his children twenty
29 … shillinges apeece and to the wife of Thomas Sandford and her child twenty
30 … shillinges apeece and to Katherine wife of Hugh Hesketh gent and to his
31 … two children twenty shillinges apeece and to Richard Mercer of the Northmeales
32 … twenty shillinges And to William Ffazakerley gent and his wife Alice
33 … theire daughter tenn shillinges apeece and to the wife of William Smith of
34 … Westderby and William Smith his sonne and my godsonne tenn shillinges apeece
35 … to Humphrey Sheppard and his wife tenn shillinges apeece to Elizabeth Ffletcher
36 … the older widowe tenn shillinges to the poore of the towne and parish of Bebington
37 … to be delivered to the Parson of the said Parish and by him to bee commytted to
38 … two such persons of every towne by them to bee distributed as hee shall thinke
39 … ffitt and allowe the summe of ffive pounds Item I give to the poore of Liverpoole
40 … the summe of ffive pounds to bee distributed at the discretion of my said wife
41 … Ralph Massam Edward Williamson Edward Fformbie and Robert Cornell
42 … Item I give to Robert sonne of Ralph ………….. butcher the summe of fforty
43 … shillings to bee bestowed in apparel for him by my said wife and to the poore
44 … of West Derby ffive pounds to bee distributed by my said wife and such other
45 … persons as shee shall think ffitt to assist her And I heereby declare that it
46 … is my will and mynde that the legacies beforenamed shall bee paid fforth
47 … of debts oweing to mee as soone as the same can bee gotten in And all the
48 … rest and residue of my goods cattells chattells and implements of household
49 … in or about the house in West Derby wherein I live or else where not heerein
50 … formerly bequeathed and given I give bequeath and leave wholie to my
51 … loveing wife Anne Dwarryhouse And for the due and true execution
52 … of this my will I doe nominate and appointe the said Anne Dwarryhouse
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Sunday 31 July 16 22:52 BST (UK)
Page 4

 1 … my wife and my two good good ffriends the said William Laughton Esq[uir]e and Will[ia]m
 2 … Smith gent joynte executors nothing doubting but they will ………………………………… the
 3 … same as my trust is in them In wittnes whereof I have heereunto put my hand
 4 … and seale and published this my last will and testament the twentieth day of
 5 … Ffebruary Anno …………………………………………………………………. one thousand six hundred
 6 … fforty and seaven W D William Dwarryhouse his two letters for his name
 7 … This will ……………… of this and ffoure sheetes heereto annexed was sealed and
 8 … published and delivered by the said William Dwarryhouse in the presence of
 9 … ……………………………………….. Thomas Boulton Henery Mercer John Swift Thomas Lytheyland


10 ... This will was proved at London before the judges for
11 … probate of wills and grannteinge administrations the nyne and twentieth
12 … day of November in the yeare of our Lord god one thousand six hundred ffyfty
13 … and eight by the oath of Ann Dwarryhouse one of the
14 … executors to whome was commytted administration shee being ffirst by
15 … commyssion sworne truely to administer
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: horselydown86 on Monday 01 August 16 03:05 BST (UK)
GailB, Moderator,

Last night I posted four replies to this thread, covering all the dotted text which GailB wanted transcribed.  My posts were followed by one from Bookbox with added explanation of the Latin on the fourth page.

All of those posts have disappeared.

Can they be retrieved?
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Monday 01 August 16 03:08 BST (UK)
Oh I didn't see them Horsleydown.

I do hope they can be retrieved and thank you for your help.

Gail
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: horselydown86 on Monday 01 August 16 03:10 BST (UK)
So do I Gail...

Moderator, last night was Australian time;  would be mid-afternoon GMT.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Monday 01 August 16 03:13 BST (UK)
5:57am Australian Eastern standard time:

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Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 01 August 16 04:58 BST (UK)
.. in such manner as council learned ...

......said term of three hundred years yet unspent under the rent.......

....... three hundred years yet unspent by and under.....

Line 42 ......whereas I am lawfully seized.......

.....silver Cam (?  Maybe Cameo?) and to her little daughter a jewell.......

...William Mossocke.....

.....Henry Mercer of The Tewbrooke....

........Ralph Massam....

Line 2 ..nothing doubting but they will duely performe the same.........

Line 7 ....this will consistinge of ........

Line 9 ...... Nevill Raye......


Sorry there seems to have been some posts removed.
Happy to be corrected, especially with the names, by Horselydown, and Bookbox will do the Latin!  :D



Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Monday 01 August 16 07:52 BST (UK)
Many thanks Goldie

I think the mods removed the posts because I should not have posted the entire images of the will. They could have left the replies though.

Gail
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: ScouseBoy on Monday 01 August 16 07:57 BST (UK)
I posted that there is a Dwerryhouse Lane  still existing in Norris Green, Liverpool currently.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Monday 01 August 16 08:21 BST (UK)
Thanks Scouseboy, I just took a look on Google maps and it appears to be a bit more significant than a lane  ;D
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Bookbox on Monday 01 August 16 08:54 BST (UK)
I think the mods removed the posts because I should not have posted the entire images of the will. They could have left the replies though.

Yes, indeed. A lot of work apparently gone to waste, especially by Horselydown who made at least 4 posts to the original thread.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: sarah on Monday 01 August 16 10:27 BST (UK)
I did not edit the thread originally but I have just re-attached the replies :)

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Monday 01 August 16 10:30 BST (UK)
Many thanks Sarah  :)

It all makes sense now. I apologise for posting the entire will. I felt so bad when I realised that people had done a lot of work and posted replies and that their work was lost, but now it is back, so thank you and many many thanks to all who have helped, Horsleydown, Bookbox, Goldie, Scouseboy. Job well done.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Bookbox on Monday 01 August 16 10:41 BST (UK)
I did not edit the thread originally but I have just re-attached the replies :)

Thanks, Sarah.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: horselydown86 on Monday 01 August 16 15:03 BST (UK)
And thank you, Sarah, from me too.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: dwarrihouse on Saturday 09 January 21 10:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Gail,

I love the work you did on William Dwarrihouse's will! I was just wondering if you ever completed it and are willing to share?

At the start of lockdown, I began a One Name Study on my Dwerryhouse family. It has been quite a journey so far! I've accumulated so much information - and learnt from my mistakes along the way! I'm hoping to have a website up and running by the Spring in order to start sharing my discoveries.

I've just received a copy of the will of Ann Dwarrihouse (William's wife) from Lancashire Record's Office. It's as lengthy as William's! Very happy to share my transcriptions, etc.

All the best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Leo Turner on Wednesday 13 January 21 19:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Gail,
 I've landed on this page whilst researching Elizabeth Dwarihouse born 1638 in Aigburgh who married  John Spencer in 1656 Childwall. They are on my ancestry but I haven't connected them to your William. do you have any connection to my John and Elizabeth? there are not many Dwarihouse in that area at that time, that I have found, and if you have, would you be willing to share? Please
Leo
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Thursday 14 January 21 05:17 GMT (UK)
Hello Jonathan and Leo

Sorry Jonathan I didn’t receive a notification of your reply to my recent message a few days ago, I only received a notification this morning when Leo replied.

I would love a copy of Ann’s Will and will send you a PM with my email address as you have only made one post and so cannot PM anyone at the moment. I did finish the Will but lost a lot of my work a few years ago when I had a major PC crash. Luckily I saved the Will to my tree on Ancestry so all is not lost. I would also love to see your work on the family.

Leo, I haven’t done very much on this family at all as there are so few records at this time and so cannot connect your Elizabeth to my tree.

My 13x great grandfather was William Dwarihouse (senior) whose wife I have not found. He had the following children all baptised at St Andrew’s Church, Bebington.

Ann baptised 5 Oct 1582, buried 26 Nov 1602
John baptised 13 Nov 1584 (died before 1593)
Mary/Maria baptised 7 Mar 1586/7
Thomas baptised 12 Jan 1588/9, buried 22 Jan 1588/9
Margaret baptised 1 Apr 1590 (married William Wilson 18 Jun 1611) had son John Wilson born in 1632 John is mentioned in the PCC Will. Margaret was buried 20 Jun 1634.
John baptised 28 Jan 1592/3, buried 17 Feb 1592/3
Twins Alice & Margery (Margery is my 12x great grandmother) baptised 12 May 1594. Margery married John Sparke 4 Nov 1617 and had a son Thomas Sparke (my 11x great grandfather) about 1618 who is the nephew of William Dwarihouse as mentioned in the PCC Will. Margery was buried 29 Apr 1635.
Elizabeth baptised 8 Sep 1597 and possibly died in Ireland as per the PCC Will
And then there is William (junior) who I don’t have a baptism for, but it is his PCC Will.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Leo Turner on Thursday 14 January 21 10:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Gail, Thank you fro your speedy reply. I have just a few Dwarihouse people who were living in the Area in the 17th and 18th century. I am struggling with locating Elizabeth and family. What I do have is  the marriage or Banns for their wedding
John Spencer, Newbrough within Lathom p. Ormeskirke & Elizabeth Dwarihouse, A (Aighburgh)
  25 Sept (1656)
The marriage was in Childwall. The attachment is a copy of the original after I had cleaned it up.These are Dwarihouse people living in the area in the 17th - 18th century

Dwarihouse, Anne, 62, Wife, Garston, (no connection found to any other Dwarihouse)
 
Dwarihouse, Thomas, 30, Watchmaker, Garston, ( this could be the son of the above Anne, we can only speculate on these connections, as we haven’t found proof)

Dwarihouse, 85, William, Husbandman, Garston, ( this is possibly the father to the William below, as   William below is listed as Jr and they have the same occupation,  the son very often followed the father into the same work)

Dwarihouse, 62, William Jr, Husbandman, Garston, (this William is recorded with the Alice below with two daughters. They are quite old to have youngish children but there could well have been earlier children who have married and moved on or died. Alice would have been 38 when she gave birth to Anne age 7, in these records, which is entirely possible)
Dwaryhouse, Alice, 45, Wife, Garston,
Dwaryhouse, Alice, 9, Daughter, Garston,
Dwaryhouse, Anne, 7, Daughter, Garston,

Dwaryhouse, George, 38, Malster, Garston, ( George is not recorded with a wife but with 3 sons, the older sons could well have been working with their father in their brewery as children were old enough to be working. The Wife and mother could possibly have died at the birth on their youngest son Thomas. George could well have been the older  brother of the above Thomas the Watchmaker and called his youngest son Thomas after his brother, as they were all living in Garston, which at that time was a small village).
Dwaryhouse, James, 11, Son, Garston,
Dwaryhouse, John, 13, Son, Garston,
Dwaryhouse, Thomas, 5, Son, Garston,

Looking at the will of William it's looking more like they all 'possible' come from Bebington. but i'm not making the connection with my Elizabeth anywhere.

Leo
 
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: dwarrihouse on Thursday 14 January 21 12:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Leo,

You're in luck! I've found something on your Elizabeth. I'm conducting a One Name Study (website launching soon) on the Dwerryhouse family. I've been slowly working through the earliest sources trying to understand the family groups. Yes, it's a very rare name, but even in the 17th and 18th centuries, there were several family groupings. I'm sure that the family originates from the Wrightington area of Lancashire (my earliest sources are mid-13th century). I'm not sure why or when they made their way South to Liverpool, but there are certainly Dwerryhouses in Childwall from the early 1500s.

I'm currently transcribing the will of William Dwarrihouse of Grassendell, within the parish of Childwall (proved 13 Mar 1672, Archdeaconry of Chester Probate Records). It looks like he is the Father or your Elizabeth. I think the will says "I give unto my daughter Elizabeth ... the wife of John Spencer living in Newbrough the sum of forty shillings...".

Leave it with me... I'll get the whole thing transcribed very soon. I think there's some other really useful genealogical clues in there!

Interestingly, in your last post you actually identified one of the family groups (and with a little more time and work, we may find concrete links to your family). It's a group I've found quite a lot of evidence for. William Dwerryhouse (1682-1776 Garston) had 5 children: George, Thomas, Jon, Sarah, Mary and Elizabeth. These are the George and Thomas you refer to. George was the malster and victualler of the Jolly Waterman on Bath Street. Thomas was apprenticed as a watchmaker in 1754. One of his watches is still in the Science Museum:

https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co219/pocket-watch-with-silver-inner-case-pocket-watch

More significant though was their brother John Dwerrihouse (1741-1821). Like Thomas, is is apprenticed as a watchmaker in 1755 and moves to London where he runs his business from Berkeley Square until 1821. He was one of the most eminent Georgian watch and clockmakers, supplying Europe's aristocracy. You'll find examples of his highly sought after timepieces in the catalogues of Sotheby's and Christies, as well as in the collections of the British Museum, Science Museum and Royal Collections.

Going back to George, he had several sons, one of whom was John Dwerryhouse (1752-1832), one of the biggest ship builders in Liverpool in the 18th century. He was a known slaver and owned several ships that that made the triangular trans-Atlantic slave voyages (you can see how slaves he transported and how many perished on the Slave Voyages Database). John's brother Thomas was a ship's carpenter aboard the Lord Stanley (another slave vessel) who died in Havana 1794 on a triangular slaving voyage.

It will be fascinating if we can start linking the various parts of the family together! As is always the case when doing genealogical research of this period, one does tend to hit brick walls due to the scarcity of sources, but I keep chiselling away!

All the best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Leo Turner on Sunday 17 January 21 16:46 GMT (UK)
Hi, Jonathan,
Thank you very much for that information. It's much appreciated, I'll look forward to your transcription. Are you a descendent of this same family?  or are you just researching the name?

Leo

Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: dwarrihouse on Sunday 17 January 21 17:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Leo,

I'm a Dwerryhouse, but I'm not sure if I'm part of this line (or whether we're all part of the same line going back to Medieval Wrightington). I hit a brick wall with my own family line in the 18th century. Hence I decided to start a One Name Study. I thought that by documenting all the families, I might understand my own!

I'll get the transcription done by the end of the week.

Jonathan
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: dwarrihouse on Saturday 30 January 21 09:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Leo,

My transciprtion of the will of William Dwarrihouse of Grassendell from 13 March 1672 is below (from Lancashire Record Office WCW/Supra/C190B/47). It's quite a useful document, as the marital relationships in the will can be matched to the records of the Childwall Parish Registers.

From the will and the parish registers, we know that William Dwerryhouse was buried on 10 Mar 1672 at All Saints, Childwall, Lancashire, England. His estate was probated on 13 Mar 1672.
He had the following children: Henry, Catherine, Elizabeth, John and Margaret. 
Henry married Ellen Linecar at Childwall, on 6 June 1657.
Catherine married Thomas Fisher at Childwall, on 5 November 1657.
Elizabeth married John Spencer at Childwall, on 25 September 1656.

Hope this helps!

Jonathan

TRANSCRIPTION OF THE WILL OF WILLIAM DWARRIHOUSE HUSBANDMAN OF GRASSENDELL 13 MARCH 1672

In the name of God Amen. The 27 day of January 1664 according to the computation of the Church of England, I William Dwerryhouse of Grossendale within Garston in the county of Lancashire husbandman being of parfit [perfect] memory and remembrance praise be God do make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner and form following: first I bequeathe my soul into the hand of Almighty God my maker hoping that through the meritorious death and passion of Jesus Christ my only saviour and redeemer to receive? free pardon and forgiveness of all my sins and as for my body to be buried in Christian burial in the parish [?] … of Childwall at the discretion of my executors hereafter nominate.

First my will is that my goods be divided into three equal parts, one part for myself another to my wife and other part to my son Henry Dwerryhouse and my son-in-law Thomas Fisher [landing?] living in Digbeth within Garston. A sum I give unto my daughter Elizabeth Spencer [erased ‘living in Newbrough’] the wife of John Spencer living in Newbrough the sum of forty shillings to be paid out of my one part in [lieu?] and discharge of her full and whole child’s part. A sum I give unto my son John [?] Dwerryhouse one cupboard, one box [?] box and one table and three shillings six pence in [lieu?] and discharge of his full [xxx] whole childe part. A sum I give unto my daughter Margaret Dwerryhouse the sum of one shilling. A sum I give to my daughter-in-law Elin Dwerryhouse the sum of one shilling A sum I give unto my daughter Catherine Fisher one shilling. A sum I give unto my daughter Elizabeth Spencer the sum of one shilling. A sum I give unto my grandchild Ann Dwerryhouse a [?] herefor. A sum I give unto my grandchildren every one of them […?...] I [saye?] owing by William Plumb unto me William Dwerryhouse of Gressendell of the sum of five and thirty shillings. A sum all the rest of my goods whatsoever I give unto my son Henry Dwerryhouse and Thomas Fisher upon condition that they shall pay all my debts and legacies and funeral expenses and [?] them executors of this my last will and testament revoking all other wills and testaments.
[?] where of I have [set?]
M [?] and soule [the day and year?]
[?]
BOTTOM PART OF WILL TOO DEGRADED TO DECEIPHER.
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Leo Turner on Saturday 30 January 21 11:10 GMT (UK)
Hello Jonathan,
Thank you for the will transcription, very interesting and informative.
You mentioned that you have a website, it it accessable by anyone? I would dearly love to have a look at it, I'm just wondering if it's possible to get further back with William and if there is any connection with the slavers?
Leo
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Leo Turner on Monday 05 April 21 16:17 BST (UK)
Hi Jonathon,
I've not visited this site for a while, I was wondering if your William Dwerihouse of Grassendall research was progressing, did you manage to find a link with the two Williams we discussed? Leo
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Leo Turner on Sunday 19 September 21 12:01 BST (UK)
Hello again Gail,
I only do the research periodically due to other commitments. Have you got any further along with the Dwarihouse line, I tried to recontact Jonathon but not got very far. Any additional information would be appreciated.
Best regards
Leo
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: Leo Turner on Tuesday 28 December 21 12:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Gail,
I'm trying to contact Jon Dwerrihouse who we were both in touch with last April. do you have any contact details please. I've tried posting to him but have had no reply. Just re-reading the posts! do you have any more information about the Dwarrihouse connection, and are you willing to share it please.
Leo
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 28 December 21 14:58 GMT (UK)
Hello Leo,

Welcome to RootsChat, I am very sorry but I do not know why Gail has not replied to your messages she was online earlier today :-\

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Help transcribing will proved 1658 – William Dwarryhouse of West Derby
Post by: GailB on Tuesday 28 December 21 19:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Leo,

Sorry I have not done any more work on this line. I do have an email address for Jon which I will send in a private message.

Gail