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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: Chris-history on Monday 01 August 16 11:50 BST (UK)
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Hello this is my first post.
My great great great grandfather Hall McLatchie was a mason and builder. He was born in Paisley in 1781 and was buried at Abbey Close on 6/7/1828. He died on the same day as another McLatchie so I suppose it was due to an accident. He married Grace McCallum on 20/06/1812 and had a child Janet in December 1818. I can't find any other children and don't know anything about his parents or siblings.
Thanks Chris
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Hi Chris
Welcome to RootsChat :)
What was the name of the other person (McLatchie) who died?
Monica
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I can see this www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSiman=1&GScid=2594424&GSfn=&GSln=mclatchie
Is this the ref to 2 deaths in 1828? Cannot see any entries in the Old Parish Register burial & death indexes that could help here.
A few similarities there possibly. Have you actually seen the stones Chris? Wondering if there is different enterpretations of the same stone/person by different transcribers of the cemetery?
Is this your tree here, Chris? http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/58280102/person/34063507861/facts
Monica
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Hi Monica
According to the burials in Abbey Close graveyard, there are two headstones of interest. One is in memory of Hall McLatchie aged 47 who died on 6/7/1828 and the other is in memory of Hale McLatchie who died on 6/7/1828 aged 27. Maybe you are right and a person misread the writing on the second one, but why are there two headstones? He was a stone mason, so am not sure. And yes that is my family tree that you gave the link for on ancestry.
Thanks
Chris
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Hard search for you Chris :-\
There is this old post here on RC . Not sure if you have come across it www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=520439.0
Re the gravestones, they look so similar too don't they:
**** John Good, wife Anne ###, son John 16th January 1815 aged 14 years and their children by Hugh Hamilton with permission of John Good in memory of Hall McLatchie, mason, 6th ### 1828 aged 47 years.
0232 Erected by Hugh Hamilton in memory of Hale McLatchie, mason who died Ju# 6th 1828 aged 27 years.
www.happyhaggis.co.uk/renfrew-paisleyabbeyclose.htm
The name McLatchie is not common. Quite a bias towards Ayrshire isn't there for the surname, from the early censuses.
Re Janet and mother Grace, possible entries in the 1841 census. Both showing as working as domestic servants, in Bute and the Glasgow area. Cannot see anything really for mother mother Grace after that year.
Monica
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Thank you for all of your help Monica. I will leave it for now and start on another part of my family. It sounds like the family was poor after Hall died.
Best wishes
Chris
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Hi Monica
I found that Hall McLatchie was also known as James and that he married Greace McCalom on 20 June 1812 in Abbey, Paisley. She was born as Grizal McCalom in Abbey on 19 December 1790 according to Scotland select births and baptisms to Mary Gilkrus and Archbald McCalom. Grizal is a form of Grace. But still can't find Grace's death information, nor any other children apart from Janet. I am wondering if she remarried after Halls death. I don't know where the name Hall came from.
Thanks Chris
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Hi Chris ,
Hall McLatchie had an apprentice who became a successful sculptor of his time - James Fillans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Fillans.
Looby
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Looby, that is an interesting find for James Fillans :)
Chris, what is the source for Hall being also James?
....Re Janet and mother Grace, possible entries in the 1841 census. Both showing as working as domestic servants, in Bute and the Glasgow area. Cannot see anything really for mother Grace after that year.
This was as far as I could get with a possible entry for Grace in 1841. Apart from a marriage after Hall's death, she could also have died pre 1855, making her death details hard to establish.
Monica
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I know this lady's age is a bit out but has she been ruled out - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB7M-K11
The entry from 1841 Census gives a year of birth 1796, this lady gives 1801 . But when have ages been accurate ?! Just seems a coincidence that there is a Grace McLatchie in Paisley in 1861.
Looby :)
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Certainly a possibility, Looby :)
The transcript shows her a ladies nurse at the Holms household in Renfrew Rd Sandyford, Abbey Burgh. This Grace shows as born in Abbey Parish.
The original image for this entry might throw more light on this Grace by confirming her marital status maybe.
Monica
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I often wonder if widows who were working especially as domestic servants or in a position like a ladies nurse would be economical with the truth about their age. Losing their job for being considered too old would mean no money and no home.
Looby
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And here is Grace's death at the grand age of 92 in 1890. The informant, a Janet Murray, nurse, did not know the name of her parents:
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Excellent find Monica.
So Grace outlived Hall by 62 years :o
I'm quite sure that must be her on 1861 Census .
Looby :)
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Very likely her in 1861 you would think. This is the one I thought might be her in 1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VYZ6-Q4M
So, she is still to be found in 1851/71/81
Monica
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Wow thank you so much Looby and Monica. I really appreciate all of your help finding Grace. I didn't expect her to live to that age. 😀😀
Best wishes to you both
Chris
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I've been looking for information about this family for a while. There were quite a lot of McLatchies in Old Cumnock, Ayrshire, and several of them were stonemasons. my GGG-grandmother Janet McLatchie https://familytrees.genopro.com/bonjedward/terkelanderik/McLatchie-Janet-ind00742.htm (https://familytrees.genopro.com/bonjedward/terkelanderik/McLatchie-Janet-ind00742.htm) married a Thomas Hamilton, stonemason. Their children all ended up in Paisley. Their sons, Hall Hamilton, and Hugh Hamilton were stone masons and successful businessmen there. The first name Hall was popular in this family - there were 6 of them over 3 generations in Paisley. I'm guessing this combination the first name Hall, the McLatchie connection, and the many stonemasons means the families are related to Hall McLatchie.
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Hi thanks for your post
I have also been wondering about the name Hall. I have not been able to find my ggg grandfather (James) Hall McLatchie's birth record or parents. I thought Hall could possibly be his mother's surname. Ivey McClatchie married a Mary Hall in Dalrymple (south west of Cumnock) in 1777, but can only find children named Janet/Jennet, Margaret and Sarah. Hall was born around 1781.
Good luck with your search.