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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: joan on Monday 01 August 16 15:05 BST (UK)
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Here I am again looking for help I have found a refernce to a marriage between Thomas Browne and Bridget Kerrigan and the groom states that his residence is Colun Islands Mayo, (parish register) his father William also gives the same place I believe these island could be near Westport but would appreciate it if anyone can help, I have tried Googling them but to no avail. Tha :)nks in advance
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Have you seen the original record or a transcription? Maybe the place/parish/townland name has been mis-transcribed. There is a list of Co Mayo townlands here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_townlands_of_County_Mayo
If you have the original perhaps you can post a snippet on the Deciphering & Recognition board & we can have a look.
Josey
ADDED: There are townlands called Caher Island & Calf Island in Westport on the list....
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Townlands of Collan Beg and Collan More, just NW of Westport?
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,492089,788294,9,7
(this map is c. 1830s, select 'STREET MAP' over to the right to get your bearings on a more modern map)
Edited to add: Griffith's Valuation shows a Patrick Browne on Collan Beg Island, local print date 1855.
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Thanks for the prompt reply, I have checked again, on Ancestry, and according to the Ireland Catholic Parish Register 1655-1915 a marriage between Thomas Browne and Bridget Kerrigan took place at Aughaval, Westport both fathers mentioned are correct as is the date but the place of residence for Thomas and his father William states Colun Islands, I tried to search for them but found Column Islands sounds likely in Clew Bay but found very little other info apart from the fact that the Column Islands are now adventure islands.
When I found Colun Islands I thought I had struck gold as I have been searching for William's marriage and death for ages with nothing positive to go on. Thanks again. Joan
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What's the marriage date?
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marriage between Thomas Browne and Bridget Kerrigan took place at Aughaval, Westport both fathers mentioned are correct as is the date but the place of residence for Thomas and his father William states Colun Islands
To me this would suggest what gaffy found "Townlands of Collan Beg and Collan More, just NW of Westport?"........just a misspelling?
"Beg" means small/little
http://www.logainm.ie/en/37252
"More" means big/great
http://wikimapia.org/6805856/Collan-More-Island-Collainn-Mh%C3%B3r
Annie
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1. A married labourer called William Brown with a reported age of 70 died on 25 March 1872, the death was registered in Westport district, his address was recorded as Cullenbeg, the informant was Honour Browne of same address.
2. Thomas Browne and Bridget Kerrigan had at least 7 children in the period 1879 to 1893, the address for all was Knockfin, just SW of Westport.
3. A farmer's widow called Honor Brown died on 14 November 1883 with a reported age of 80, the death was registered in Westport district, her address was recorded as Knockfin, the informant was given as Bridget Brown, daughter in law.
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No. of houses on Collan Beg Island from census summary statistics:
1851: -
1861: 2
1871: 1
1881: 1
1891: 1
Population of Collan Beg Island from census summary statistics:
1851: -
1861: 9
1871: 3
1881: 4
1891: 6 (3 male / 3 female)
Collan More Island was about 10 times bigger in terms of houses and population.
http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/18815/page/505947
The only folk on Collan Beg Island in 1901 were the O'Malley family (present on Collan More Island as well), but the landholder was recorded as William Browne and James Browne:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001108355/
Likewise in 1911, the Malley family was resident, but the landholder was recorded as Wm Browne of Drumgariff:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003046618/
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:)Thank you so much I think I can honestly say that I have found the correct family and quite possibly where they originated from. May I say that I am always surprised by the amount of informatiion people such as Gaffy, Rosinish and Hanes can find out so quickly I always thought that I was pretty good on research but compared to the Rootschat people I am useless! I am going to try and see if the info you have given me can be expanded, wish me luck, once again thank you :)Joan
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There is a new book out Croagh Patrick and the Islands of Clew Bay by Michael Cusack. Maybe worth a look as he has detailed all the Islands. I was going to go on a boat tour around Clew Bay in May weather was too poor though,trip was to take you near Dornish Island owned by John Lennon at one time, I see this island is near Collan Beg.
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Parish Islands were not islands in the middle of a body of water, but instead were areas attached to but not adjacent to a parish (like Norham being a part of Durham instead of Northumberland which surrounds it).
So Colum Island parish could refer to something similar- an area attached to Colum parish.
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CollanBeg and Collanmore are Islands in Clew Bay,there are approx. 365 separate Islands or Drumlins, most of which were uninhabited they were stretches of land under water with part showing above water level.On the larger Islands were app 1500 people living in 1841, now Collanmore has a holiday centre which you can stay at. The Clew Bay Islands are in the Parish of Burrishoole.
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:)Hello again, sorry but i just have to ask, how did Gaffy know Honour Browne wife of William was the informant on William's death? Also that Bridge Browne, daughter in law nee Kerrigan, was the informant of Honor's death? I would have thought that this information could only have been got from the death certificates. I wonder why Bridget informed and not Thomas as he was Honor's son and was alive at the time.
Also I will be looking into the book that Ownewee suggested and if these islands were so small how come people lived on them.
Thomas Browne was my husband's great grandfather and yet I know more about his brother John who emigrated to England, would anyone have been buried on the island of Collan Beg?
I do not mean to ask so many questions just can't help myself! Is Irish genealogy always as complicated as I am finding it?
Joan
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... how did Gaffy know Honour Browne wife of William was the informant on William's death? Also that Bridge Browne, daughter in law nee Kerrigan, was the informant of Honor's death? I would have thought that this information could only have been got from the death certificates ....
That's where it came from Joan. :)
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There is a subscription site called Rootsireland.ie They have records taken from the registers.The Civil Death Record of William Brown on 25 March 1872 shows the details as given by Gaffy. It is rarely that they show cause of death, the informant on record it sometimes gives the relationship to deceased as with the record of Honor Brown in 1883 noted that Bridget Brown was her daughter in law.
A lot of people from the Islands are buried in the OLD Kilmeena Cemetery,i am not sure if any people were buried on the Islands but I would say not, you could contact the Westport Clew Bay Heritage centre and ask.The Islands come under the Kilmeena Parish,i presume that once William Brown died his wife Honor moved to the house in Knockfin,the home of her daughter in Laws people.The people from Knockfin would most likely be buried in Oughval sp Aughvale cemetery.
You can purchase the book via Amazon,there is details of what it contains.The smaller Islands would not have been big enough to support a living for people but the larger ones certainly had many people back from 1840c. Clare Island is one of the larger Island and is very popular with tourists, they have boats going over daily, as with the Collanmore Island Lodge.
Irish research is difficult the biggest hurdle is identifying the Townland your family came from, the fact you have found Collanbeg is a huge breakthrough.
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Hello again, thank you for the information, I am so pleased to have found William's address! just wish I could find out more but have today ordered the book on the Islands from Amazon so who knows what I might find out there. I will also contact the Clew Bay Heritage Society could be more info there. Once again thank you so much for your help. regards Joan.
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:DHello to you all again, just to say that I have discovered a site, which I am sure you all know about already! it is IrishGenealogy.ie it is records put on there by the government and cover the following : births 1864-1915 - Marriages 1882 - 1940 deaths 1891 - 1965. The site is free and today I discovered Thomas Browne, he of "Colun Islands" he died aged 50 which I already kew but he died from bronchitis and the informant was his daughter, Mary, my husband's grandmother and she died aged 52 in 1932 from exhaustion and anaemia also the death of Thomas' wife Bridget who died aged 76 from acute intestional obstruction. So so far this is a s far as I have got but I thought I would share the site with all you lovely people who helped me, but as I say you all probably already know of it although it only came on line this week. regards to all Joan