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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: CU on Tuesday 02 August 16 09:41 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find on Scottish People site the death of the following women.
Pear More Smieton died 25 Sept 1966 Drumduan, Forres
I know it must be there, I just can't fine it ??? If I put in surname variants 1 come up, but as soon as I put in Pearl it says no match ???
Can any one help me please?
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It may be too recent. I always go to Edinburgh or Glasgow to search and at their centres there you can see all registrations to date. However, from home, more recent certificates are not available (I'm not sure of the cut off dates. The SP site probably tells you).
Have you tried Moray Council's free Libindx site? You may find some details by doing a person search there.
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Hi GR2
The Statutory Death say 1855 to 2014 so it should be there ???
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Nearly gave up, saw why you were struggling. Last try I put Pearl - Forres - 1966 into SP and it came up:
1966 Name More-Shieton, Pearl, F, 73, Forres Moray.
I think it may have been the hyphen that was throwing us off.
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Thank you J11 will give it a try. It should be so easy with a name like that ;D
Cheers
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I had the same problem - there are two entries for her - as J11 gave and Shieton, Pearl-More
Gadget
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It's that b... hyphen that caused the trouble!
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But her name is Pearl More (is her middle name) Smieton surname!
It is not part of her surname. ;D More was her Grandmother Christain name
Thanks everyone
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Have a look at the certificate when it comes online some time this year, presumably 25th Sept. It may be that she hyphenated her middle name and surname herself, wouldn't be unusual. See if you can find an electoral roll or phone book for the 1950s-60s to see if that is the case.
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It's that b... hyphen that caused the trouble!
Nope. It's also indexed as Shieton. So it's the b.... h instead of m that is the problem!
Double-barrelled names are normally indexed twice - once as the full double name (with hyphen) and once with the second part only (without the hyphen). As to why this one is indexed as a double-barrel, you might get a clue when you see the certificate.
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Nope. It's also indexed as Shieton. So it's the b.... h instead of m that is the problem!
Good grief! I didn't notice that. Think I need new glasses.
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Good grief! I didn't notice that. Think I need new glasses. ;D ;D
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SOMEONE has to say it J11 - "should've gone to Specsavers"! ::) ::) ::)
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I had the same problem - there are two entries for her - as J11 gave and Shieton, Pearl-More
Gadget
Just to say how I found the two entries:
Surname - S*ton
Firstname *P*
added - Sex - Female
Year 1966
No County County - Moray
Gadget
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I think I would go ahead & order the cert........
It looks as though the indexing is probably wrong i.e. once you receive the cert. you can let them know & your money will be refunded so in theory cert. would be free.
Of course it depends too on who registered the death.....they may have made a genuine mistake not knowing otherwise? so you wouldn't get your money back.
Annie
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Thanks Rosinish, I think it would of been her sister Maude.
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Thanks Rosinish, I think it would of been her sister Maude.
More likely the indexing is wrong then?
I've come across that before too & had my £ refunded!
Annie
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I may be wrong but I thought there was a 50 limitation on online deaths. If that is the case, you should be able to get the certificate through SP in September for 5 credits.
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I may be wrong but I thought there was a 50 limitation on online deaths. If that is the case, you should be able to get the certificate through SP in September for 5 credits.
Not quite! They go by year, not by actual date. It would be difficult to do it on a daily basis because the actual date of death isn't in the index. The 1966 deaths will all be released for online research in January 2017.
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Thank you will try then
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By the way, could any one tell me where I could get her will from?
Scottish people only go up to 1925.
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By the way, could any one tell me where I could get her will from?
Scottish people only go up to 1925.
I haven't looked on SP but I'm assuming you know she had a will?
Wills for that period would have to be looked at in person at New Register House & if I recall correctly, you need to pre-book for them to have them ready although I may be wrong on the pre-booking?
I have a G/Uncle who died 1972 & when I enquired about a copy of his will, it was only viewable on site.
I'm unsure if it's free for that department as I had planned to do the look-up on one of my day visits...where you pay for a computer for the day but my plan was to go to that particular dept. but I would have had to tell them when for them to look it out.
Someone may be able to advise you further on this though as I haven't yet done it sadly.
Annie
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Thank you Annie. Yes, I know she left a Will I found out by the London Gazettte 4 November 1966.
I states her name and address (as Scotland), but the funny thing is the following
Name of persons to whom a claim are to be given, Lloyds Bank Ltd, Executor and Trustee Dept. Zelide House Tunbridge Wells Kent. By 7 Jan 1967.
I have never seen a notice like this and although she lived in Scotland I don't know where her Will, will be if you follow me, Scotland or England.
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By the way, could any one tell me where I could get her will from?
http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/wills-and-testaments will tell you all about it.
She may not have left an actual will. The index entry in the Calendars of Confirmation will tell you whether she died testate (i.e. she left a will) or intestate (no will).
The testament, including her will if there is one, is in Scotland. The England and Wales probate calendar says, "Smieton Pearl More of Reres Drumduan Road Forres Morayshire died 25 September 1966 at Forres. Confirmation of Lloyds Bank Limited. Sealed London 11 April 1967.
There is no such process as 'probate' in Scots Law. The corresponding process is called 'confirmation'. If someone dies in Scotland owning property in England or Wales, the English and Welsh courts accept and 'seal' the Scottish confirmation. This avoids having to go through both processes separately. Similarly if someone dies in England or Wales owning property in Scotland, the Scottish courts accept the English or Welsh grant of probate.
So the fact that Pearl Smieton's says she had a confirmation sealed in London means that the actual process was carried out in Scotland. There may be - probably is - a copy of any will in the English records as well, of course.
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Thank you for that. There is no way I can get there :(
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Having looked at a newspaper index, these references come from the Dundee Courier.
19-2-1900 - Pearl More Smieton, Maude Isolde Smieton, Broughty Ferry [seems to be in relation to a Boer war fund-raising event]
11-12-1903 - Pearl More Smieton [won half a crown in a painting competition]
31-8-1907 - Pearl More Smieton [school awards]
29-8-1908 - Pearl More Smieton [school awards]
18-7-1918 - Miss Pearl Smieton [unclear in relation to what]
14-12-1918 - artistic hand-painted programmes were sold, the work of miss Pearl Smieton and Miss Annie McEwan and the little programme sellers were Misses Deborah Donald and Beatrice Watson
26-1-1927 - Dundee merchant dies intestate ..... lodged in Dundee Sheriff Court... Mrs Maud Isolde Smieton or Sanderson, Tyndrum, Bayley's Hill, Sevenoaks, Kent, and Miss Pearl More Smieton, Ardsheal, Kippington, Sevenoaks, Kent, to decern them [executrices] dative qua next of kin to the late Mr James Smieton, merchant ....
As a great believer in looking everywhere, as there was a hint of artistry, I looked in my copy of "British Artists 1880-1940" and there are these entries:
SMIETON, Mrs. J. P. Exh. 1880
Panmure Villa, Broughty Ferry, N.B.
RSA 2
SMIETON, T. A. Exh. 1883
Panmure Villa, Broughty Ferry, N.B.
RSA 1
RSA 1 means exhibited one picture at the Royal Scottish Academy exhibition in 1883.
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Thank you very much for the information. ;D
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Thank you for that. There is no way I can get there :(
There are various ways you could access the information
- contact the NRS using the enquiry address on their web site and ask them
- hire a professional searcher - see http://www.asgra.co.uk/
- try to find a helpful person who is going to the Historical Search Room and would be prepared to look up the listing for you
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Wills for that period would have to be looked at in person at New Register House
Not in New Register House, but in the Historical Search Room in General Register House next door
if I recall correctly, you need to pre-book for them to have them ready
Yes. The documents are stored off-site and they need advance notice to bring them in for you to see. They need 24 hours' notice, and once they have brought them in, they keep the documents in the Historical Search Room for 5 days before returning them to storage.
I'm unsure if it's free for that department
There is no charge for looking at documents in the Historical Search Room. There is a charge for making photocopies or (if available) print-outs of digitised documents. You may be allowed to photograph documents - check in advance, and with the staff at the time, for permission.
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The National Library of Scotland site gives access to the Dundee Directory. It is useful for tracing the family firm/residence back e.g.
1911-1912
Smieton, James, of James Smieton & Sons, Panmure Villa, Bro'ty Ferry (Telephone No. B.F. 54)
Smieton, James & Sons, linen and jute manufacturers, Panmure Works, Carnoustie; office 12 Victoria Chambers (Telephone No. 467; Telegrams, "Smieton")
1861-62
Smieton, James, & Son, merchants 55 Cowgate and Panmure Works, Carnoustie
Smieton, James of James Smieton & Son, Heathfield Lodge, Cotton Road
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A few links on Smieton (talented family)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i4o/
http://www.lchr.org/a/5/e8/Smieton3.html
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3ASmieton%2C+Pearl+More.&qt=hot_author
Annie
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Many Thanks for all your help.