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Hi team
I'm having trouble finding my Rebecca / Rebecka / Rebeckah SIMPKIN / SIMKIN on the 1841.
On the 1851 she's in Leicester St. Mary as Rebecca SIMPKIN aged 72, widow, born - Diseworth, Leicestershire. She's with a daughter Ann aged 20.... I'm not sure about the daughter part.... and Ann's son Joseph Simpkin, aged 3. I thought Ann may be a grand daughter but the Ann that's obvious in 1841 is d/of John and I cant find Rebecca and husband William having a son named John. Rebecca's maiden name is probably Adkin.
tia,
bitzar.
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Whole post deleted as it was rubbish! :P
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The only Ann Simpkin that I can see (of appropriate age) in 1841 is daughter of John and Mary in Barrow, and is still with her widowed mother Mary in 1851, so you can rule her out.
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Could this be her?
1841 Census
HO107/604/5/St Margaret With Bishops Fee
Rebecca Simpson, 60, (Widow)
Amy Simpson, 14
Elizabeth Simpson, 9
Amy may be Ann when you look at the image.
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funnily enough Trish, I wrote about that family in my deleted post! I agree that "Amy" could possibly be "Ann" on the original image, but I'm not convinced ---
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There is a baptism at
St Margaret's St George (sorry!) on 38 Jun 1837 of Amy d/o William & Rebecca Simpkin. William is a Labourer.
I cannot find this family anywhere in 1841 & wondered if it could be the same Amy as found by Trish but possibly a late baptism?
I wonder if anyone else has a transcript with more information, as mine has been found to have bits of information missing here & there.
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Amended previous post
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Was looking at marriages in case anything stood out and
1852 1 SIMPKIN Amy Leicester 7a 304
It's a registry office marriage to Joseph Rice/John Newton
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Married John Newton
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TX-ZR1
York Street London Road
John Newton Head M 35 Leicester
Amy Newton Wife F 35 Leicester, Woodhouse Eaves
Emma Newton Daughter F 6
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and in 1851, Rebecca's daughter Ann's birthplace was also Woodhouse.
Did the enumerator perhaps get Ann's name wrong in 1851?
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It seems to point to that Annie.
Just looking in Woodhouse, William and Rebecca parents but early 1800's
Looks like Elizabeth married 1860 but again reg. office
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1841 must be them, found this marriage
Leicester, St. Margaret 19-Jun 1837 Banns
Mark Woolley OTP Bach
Fanny Simpkin OTP Spin
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hi team
Thanks for you reply's and hard work.
So yeah.... I'm beginning to wonder if Ann on the 1851 is Amy too. Last night I found that Amy baptised in 1837 wondered if it was a late baptism. I think good chance the census collector got it wrong because William and Rebecca baptised an Ann in 1808 at Woodhouse and I haven't found a death. Big age gap though, baptism's in 1804, 1805, 1808, and then 1837. Even if 1837 was a late baptism and Amy/Ann was born in 1831 as per the 1851, her mother Rebecca would of been 52ish! As per the 1841 Amy/Ann would be born c1827 but Elizabeth would be born c1832. I will look for a baptism.
bitzar.
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Jomot.... confirming, I have seen William previously noted as a Labourer.
Willsy..... You've lost me! Who is Fanny Simpkin?! Soz, I started work at 0430 this morning!
bitzar.
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Fanny Wooley and children were a second household in the same house as Rebecca in 1841.
If Fanny's m/n was Simpkin, there's obviously a possible link.
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Thanks annie
I totes missed it!
I'm onto it now.
bitzar.
I THINK MY AND MAYBE THE WHOLE FAMILY'S BRICK WALL OF OVER 25 YEARS MAY BE FALLING...
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I am not sure which Simpkin Child you are descended from but looked at a couple of Trees with Thomas on them, Wife, Harriet.
Marriage;
1 May 1836, St. Mary in the Elms, Woodhouse
Thomas SIMPKIN to Harriet SQUIRE
1841 his age is out (should be 35)
Thomas Simpkin, 25
Harriet Simpkin, 25
Mary Ann Simpkin, 4
George Simpkin, 2
1851 George is a Servant in the Abell Household and in 1861 in Lincolnshire.
1871 he is married to a Martha, and he is born c 1841, 1881 c 1844
They had no Children.
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Joseph William Simpkin aged 3 of Montague Place is buried at Welford Road Cemetery in the same grave as Rebecca Simpkin aged 74, also of Montague Place (both died in 1851).
Joseph William Simpkin's birth was registered in the first quarter of 1848, although I cant find a baptism for him. It would be interesting to see whether his mother is named as Amy.
Another Joseph William Simpkin was baptised 21 Jan 1846 at St George, the son of William Simpkin, bricklayer, and Elizabeth. William also gives his PoB as Woodhouse Eaves, although in 1851 he is enumerated as Thomas ::)
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I'm getting really excited you wonderful people.
Trish, I think I'm descended from Mary Simpkin 1804. I have noted down that Thomas married a Harriett but that's all I have done so far. Probs because I cant confirm. But really, who can!
Jomot, This Jos Wm would be the Jos on the 1851 with Rebecca and Ann (who we think is probs actually Amy!). I have looked and couldn't find him any later. Thanks for locating his death. Jomot, anyone else in that grave. I'm looking for William Simpkin, Rebecca's husband. He must of died between 1832 or 1837 - 1841.
Again, so many thanks.
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Unfortunately its a common grave and none of the others appear connected, but for completeness here is the listing:
Welford Rd Cemetery K 779 (Consecrated)
Joseph William Simpkin, 29 July 1851 aged 3 of Montague Place, St Mary
Robert Hemmings, 30 July 1851 aged 11 days of Gravel Street, St Margaret
- Wakefield, 29 July 1851 Stillborn child of Reuben of Pasture Lane, St Margaret
Rebecca Simpkin, 16 Nov 1851 aged 74 of Montague Place, St Mary
Frederick Hudson, 3 Jan 1879 aged 29 of Leicester County Asylum, St Mary
John Kelly, 16 Jan 1901 aged 48 of Abbey Street, Leicester
Henrietta Theodosia Butler, 20 Mar 1920 aged 44 of Narborough Rd, Leicester
The only adult William Simpkin burials I can find during the years you have specified are:
4 Mar 1838, Blaby, aged 45
23 Feb 1833, Thurmaston, aged 53 (William Astle Simpkin)
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Jomot, you're correct. I cant see any connection to the other soul's buried either.
Is the burial at Thurmaston 28 Feb 1833 noted as William Astle Simpkin?! I guess the locate seems OK. But of course, I'm not sure. The dates I noted would be from the baptism of the last child Elizabeth c1832 or Amy/Ann c1837 and the 1841 census when Rebecca is shown as a widow.
There just seems to such a large gap in the children of William and Rebecca. Do you think that there are more children just not baptised or lost records?!
bitzar
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Thomas definitely married Harriet Squire, on F/S one of their Children Baptisms (Mary Ann 1837) has Mother as Harriet Squire.
As you say Rebecca is likely nee Adkin;
Marriage;
25 November 1802, Woodhouse, Leicester, England
Rebecka ADKIN to Wm SIMPKIN
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As Rebecca/William married 1802 I can find only 3 Children to them;
Mary 1803/Thomas 1805/Ann 1808
As Rebecca was born c 1779 she would be 52 when Amy was born!
I cant find any other Children to them with my resources.
Sorry I cant be more helpful.
Trish :)
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Trish, are you mad! You're more than helpful, as always. I remember you were one of the first to reply to one of first posts agessssssss ago.
I could only find those 3 baptisms too. I feel I'm still grasping at straws a bit but I think its worthwhile following. I'm not very keen on posting my ancestors names because you know before you know it random people have put them on their Anc* tree's as a sure thing!
My ancestor was the eldest child of about 6 children. None of his sibs survived childhood. It seems he then mixed with the wrong crowd, got in trouble with the law various times and ended up in BIG trouble. I believe his mothers name was mis transcribed on the marriage record and EVERYONE has it wrong. Hence why I think its Simpkin as I have found her remarrying (I bought the MC) with father William Simpkin, deceased, labourer. My ancestor would go on to have many children. The first Thomas, after his father.... the second Mary after his mother Mary Simpkin.... the next daughter was Rebecca. I thought this was a co incidence and when I found a Mary Simpkin born to William and Rebecca I thought well that is a big co incidence. I have now found my ancestor and his parents, as well as Rebecca, Ann/Amy, and Joseph all living in Upper Charles St in Leicester in the 1841.
AM I GRASPING AT STRAWS?
I'd appreciate your thought and apols for being cryptic.
bitzar.
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No need to apologise for being cryptic. As you have done all the right things. traced back, brought Certs etc then it is very likely you are on the right track :)
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Another Joseph William Simpkin was baptised 21 Jan 1846 at St George, the son of William Simpkin, bricklayer, and Elizabeth. William also gives his PoB as Woodhouse Eaves, although in 1851 he is enumerated as Thomas ::)
I've just spotted that the same William & Elizabeth Simpkin baptised a daughter Mary Rebecca Simpkin 22 Sep 1847, St George.
This can't be a coincidence, surely?
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Jomot
So this William seems to be another son of William and Rebecca. I will add him to my tree and see what happens.
Thnx,
Bitzar
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I've got to admit that I'm getting a bit lost, but thought I'd add this:
Fanney Wooley in 1851 -- age 37, place of birth once again Woodhouse Eaves :)
Fanny and Mark had a daughter baptised in Ruddington, Notts, whose full name was Sarah Ann Colbeck Wooley -
just wondered if the Colbeck part of the name gave any further clues (of course it could have been from Fanny's husband's family though).
(just noticed that although Sarah Ann was baptised in 1864, she was age 25 at the time - so this must be the child who is there in the 1841 census).
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Oh! Is this helpful? From the non-con baptisms disc:
Woodhouse: 28-Jul 1837 Simpkin Mary Ann AT Woodhouse Eaves Baptist
Father: Thomas
Mother: Harriet
Maiden name: Squire
Mother's parents: George
Sadly that's the only Woodhouse entry.
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I think this is Amy Simpkin/Newton's burial:
Welford Rd, plot uS 2075
NEWTON AMY buried 1899 MAR 6 age 70 address THE WORKHOUSE LEICESTER
Once again, this appears to be a communal plot, but the age suggests a dob of 1829 for Amy.
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And the burial for 1833 was William Astle
THURMASTON 432 WILLIAM ASTLE SIMPKIN THURMASTON 23-Feb 1833 age 53
Thomas's wife
WOODHOUSE EAVES 137 HARRIET SIMPKIN WOODHOUSE EAVES 23-Dec 1855 age 47
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I think this could be Amy in the workhouse records as Ann looking at the discharge record first
37240 02-Mar 1899 Newton Ann Deceased
MICROFICHE to check at records office...G/12/60/11
? admission
36662 22-Nov 1898 Newton Ann Charwoman Leicester age 73 Chapel
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Willsy
Ann / Amy, it's a bit confusing.
In regard to William Astle SIMPKIN, yesterday I saw some baptisms for his children. His wife was Diana. I cant place him yet. I still haven't found the death of my William SIMPKIN.
bitzar
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This is what we have so far:
William SIMPKIN / SIMKIN ( - d. bet 1832 or 1837 - 1841)
m. Rebecca ADKIN (abt 1779 Diseborough, Leics - 1851 Leicester, Leics) at Woodhouse, Leics 25 Nov 1802.
Issue:
Mary SIMPKIN, Woodhouse 1804. m - MY ANCESTOR.
Thomas SIMPKIN, Woodhouse 1804-1875. m - Harriet SQUIRE.
Ann SIMPKIN, Woodhouse 1808. m -.
Fanny SIMPKIN, Woodhouse 1814. m - Mark WOOLLEY.
William, Woodhouse Eaves 1823. m - Elizabeth.
Ann / Amy, Woodhouse bet 1827-1837. m - John NEWTON.
Elizabeth, Woodhouse 1832. m - .
I can only find baptisms for Mary, Thomas, Ann, and then much later for Amy.
The only facts I know that link this family to mine are:
Mary SIMPKIN states her father was William SIMPKIN, labourer, deceased by 1844.
Mary's her only surviving son names his second daughter Rebecca. A coincidence..... I don't know!
On the 1841 Mary's family, and Rebecca are living on the same street in Leicester.
bitzar.
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I've just received a copy of the Leicestershire Wills CD and there is an entry for 1839 for William Simpkin, Labourer, of Castle Donington.
No age unfortunately but although part of Leicestershire, Castle Donington came under the Shardlow, Derbyshire registration district. There is a William Simpkin death in the Jul-Sep quarter of 1838 in Shardlow that could therefore be worth looking into further.
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Jomot
That's a good find Jomot, thanks.
It seems Castle Donnington is a bit of a distance but William was a labourer of some description so he could of easily of been working away. Do you think the record still would of read 'of Castle Donnington' even if he was just working there and didn't live there?!
Ive also just noticed on the 1841 that his wife Rebecca has 'widow' crossed of the census, but she isn't the only one. Would this be because the collector wasn't permitted to write 'widow' or was she actually not a widow?! Coincidence that there are 2 and only 2 on the page though!
Thanks again
bitzar.
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I don't suppose the witness names for either of mary's marriages offer any clues?
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I is likely Rebecca was a Widow as the enumerator noted, Yes, it is crossed out as it was not allowed to put status in 1841 (you will find numerous entries in 1841 Census all over England that Widow has been crossed out).
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Annie.... great thought. On her second marriage in 1844 at Leicester Register Office, there is George Sparrow and Ann Unwin, both sign with marks. These names mean nothing to me. I dont have the first MC in 1822. I don't even know if a cert is available for 1822 or what it would tell me.
I am still reluctant to post Mary's name as there have been various posts about this family. As far as I know I am the only one who may have crack this.... with all you peoples great assistance of couse. I'm not doing it to be selfish but I'd like to get a bit more surety first if poss. You know what'll happen...... lots of tree's on Anc* with WRONG info! My tree is on private because it contains a lot of maybe's and possibilities that other punters take for gospel.
What would I actually expect to find on the 1822 MC?!
bitzar.
and Trish.... thanks for that confirmation.
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It seems Castle Donnington is a bit of a distance but William was a labourer of some description so he could of easily of been working away. Do you think the record still would of read 'of Castle Donnington' even if he was just working there and didn't live there?!
It may not be him as I've found another William Simpkin in & around the Castle Donington area at the relevant time, although he was a farmer & publican so it would seem odd to describe him as a labourer in his will :-\
But to answer your question, we don't know for sure where the family was living prior to 1841. There are the three baptisms in Woodhouse and then (unless I've missed something) nothing until the possible late baptism of Amy in 1837. Woodhouse Eaves & Castle Donington are only about 14 miles apart, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Finding the baptisms for Fanny & William might help.
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The 1822 very won't give fathers names, but will have witness signatures (or marks).
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The 1822 very won't give fathers names, but will have witness signatures (or marks).
I'm pretty sure I know which marriage you refer to (I recognise the groom's surname) but my transcript only shows one witness, who was on the grooms side (Martha). If anyone else has St Margaret's the marriage was on 11 Aug 1822.
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You're good Annie..... :-X :-X :-X
I believe Martha was his sister, but cannot confirm! You will also see WHY the family have hit the brickwall for sooooooo many years. This wasn't discovered until it was found that Mary remarried and the correct surname found.
So back to it.... We still need to find the baptisms for:
1. Fanny Simpkin. bc1814 Woodhouse.
2. William Simpkin. bc1823 Woodhouse Eaves.
3. Elizabeth Simpkin. bc1832 Woodhouse.
Thanks team
bitz
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I looked at census returns and marriages, found this one!!!
Woodhouse 26-Mar 1826 B
John Unwin OTP
Ann Simkin OTP
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Geez Willsy
This would be Ann Simpkin, Mary's sister, baptised Woodhouse 1808. I couldn't previously find a marriage for her.
Finding her also confirms to me that the Amy/Ann combo IS actually Amy, and that Amy was transcribed incorrectly on the census as Ann.
I will try to do some more checks on her.
Many thanks
bitz.
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OK
Its defs them. Baptised a daughter Rebecca in 1843 at Shepshed. Also another VERY interesting thing. Remember Jomot found the death of William Simpkin, of Castle Donnington in 1838.... well John and Ann Unwin baptised 2 children at Castle Donnington in 1836!
Fun times ahead!
bitzar.
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I'll look in the paper later again for anything Donnington
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V quick glance:
Leic Mercury 26 July 1839
"William Simpson, lived at Sawley, 3 miles from Castle Donnington, is a public an and farmer"
?relevance as timescale for this William doesn't fit
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That's what I thought the last time I looked in the paper Annie
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Can anyone trace the Hannah Simpkin who married John Wetton at Woodhouse on 26 Nov 1833?
Coincidentally there is also a marriage of Hannah Simpkin to the similarly named John Wooton at Castle Donnington on 22 Apr 1828.
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Just looking at them now, back soon
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Living in Markfield, Leics;
1861
John Wetton, 58, Head, Mar, Blacksmith, born Derby
Hannah Wetton, 55, Wiffe, born Groby, Leics
Hannah Wetton,18, Daug
William Wetton, 14, Son
John Wetton, 6, Grandson
Henry Weston, 17, Lodger
RG9/2266/7/10
1851
John Whelton,48, Head, Mar, Blacksmith, born Newhall, Derbyshire
Hannah Whelton, 44, Wife, Mar, born Groby, Leicestershire
Elizabeth Whelton, 17, Daug
Hannah Whelton, 9, Daug
William Whelton, 4, Son
HO107/2083/402/2
Strangely 1841 she is Rebecca;
John Whitton, 38, No Occp
Rebecca Whilton, 37
Elizabeth Whilton, 7
Mary Mills, 20
HO107/602/7/Markfield
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As you posted I was investigating that Marriage 1833 and looking for them on Census ;D
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Hmm, struggling to tie them in conclusively.... :-\
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Its defs them. Baptised a daughter Rebecca in 1843 at Shepshed. Also another VERY interesting thing. Remember Jomot found the death of William Simpkin, of Castle Donnington in 1838.... well John and Ann Unwin baptised 2 children at Castle Donnington in 1836!
The two in Castle Donnington are non-conformist and very helpfully give additional information.
Charles & Charlotte Unwin
Born 28th September 1836
Baptised 6th December 1836
Parents: John Unwin, Stocking Maker of Sheepshead & Ann.
Maternal Grandparents: William & Rebecca Simpkin
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Reading back though this there is a lot of information to digest, but as your aim is to connect Mary who married in 1822, to William Simpkin, who is named as her father when she re-married, then I think the next step has to be to obtain the will of William Simpkin of Castle Donnington. If he names Mary then it will be by her first married name, which is what you are trying to prove.
Unfortunately the CD doesn't give the reference for the records office, but this is the full information I have:
Archdeaconry Court, 1839
William Simpkin, Labourer of the parish of Castle Donington
Will Reference 1: PR/T/
Will Reference 2: 1839/164
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Righty-oh
Back home now so I've had a proper look at the newpaper archive online, and these are the William Simpkins mentioned in Leicestershire papers between 1800 - 1841 (all abbreviated to WS!):
1. WS deceased, previous proprietor of the Bishop Blaze inn at Barrow on Soar (1812)
2. WS of the Harrington Arms, Sawley (1830 - onwards - the inn was used as an auction house so mentioned many times over years)
3. WS, died Thurmaston Feb 1833 age 54 years.
4. WS living near Swithland (1836)
5. WS of Whetstone (appears in the search but I can't see the article when I enlarge it so no idea of any further details other than that someone was on his land!) 1836
6. WS of Hallaton, grazier (serving on a jury) 1837
7. WS m Ann Polkey in Loughborough 1840
I'm not sure that any of the above would be helpful but if it does nothing more than rule someone out, that's good.
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Good Grief..............
Am I getting carried away.... Maybe!
Those non-conformists.... what ever that means! I love it. I nearly feel off my chair when read William and Rebecca Simpkin when I found it on Anc* this morning.
Jomot.... where do I go from here to find that will?!
Trish and Jomot.... I noticed those Hannah marriages too but haven't looked at them yet. Poss daughter of Wm and Rebecca?!
willsy and Annie.... not sure about the Publican part.... I've only seen him William Simpkin referenced as a labourer, but I guess anyone could become a publican.... although would you have to be able to read and write?!
Love your work....
bitzar.
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I'd have doubts about the publican/labourer issue too. I've just included them all, publicans and the rest, so that you might be able to rule things out.
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Absolutely Annie.....
bitzar
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Jomot.... where do I go from here to find that will?!
Trish and Jomot.... I noticed those Hannah marriages too but haven't looked at them yet. Poss daughter of Wm and Rebecca?!
willsy and Annie.... not sure about the Publican part.... I've only seen him William Simpkin referenced as a labourer, but I guess anyone could become a publican.... although would you have to be able to read and write?!
A starting point for the will would be to contact Leicestershire Records office.
Hannah has me thinking up all sorts of conspiracy theories, including that Amy may be her daughter rather than Rebecca's. Those two marriages to very similar named men in towns where the family is now known to have been associated with are very intriguing (but of course may just be coincidental).
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Jomot..... That kind of thing doesn't happen in my family! :o :o :o. I'm so joking.... It always has and still is, lol! I was thinking something similar.
And those two names, so similar. Very odd.... I mean unusual.
Bitzar.
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I think it happened in most families - the parents on my gran's brothers birth certificate are actually his grandparents :-X
I'm going on holiday in less than 12 hours so I'm going to miss any update on that will. It's going to be bugging me now until I get back !
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Just going back through the St George baptisms to William & Elizabeth Simpkin:
19 Sep 1849 - Ana Hannah
On the 1851 (where William is enumerated as Thomas) she is just Hannah.
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William Astle Simpkin's will is available on Ancestry!
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it confirms it's not him :(
(This WS was from Thurmaston, a gentleman, with property and a wife called Diana >:()
OTOH the "index to death duty register" has something for William of Castle Donnington.
Name William Simpkin
Residence Castle Donnington Leicester
Executors John Simpkin &an of same place
Court Leicester
Register 2
Folio 237
John Simpkin, of Castle Donnington, is the only extra info here. Off to see if I can see him in the 1841 --
added - the Castle Donington Simpkins look like artisans; John Simpkin in 1841 was a shoemaker, age 50, with Martha 55 and Mary 18; on the same page is Thomas Simpkin age 3, tailor, with Mary 25 and Jane 2. Subsequent censuses show his birthplace as Hemington.
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Bitzar,
Have you noticed that Mary is living on the same street as Rebecca and Fanny in 1841?
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Went back to the 3 whose baptisms we need, Fanny, William, Elizabeth
Looks like Col(e)beck is on the Woolley side
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7B6-LZD
1861 Fanny with children....? Mark
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M78V-YJ8
Think this is Mark's death
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2J8F-6RC
buried at Welford Road but nothing to go on there except the middle name which is only in the death reg!
Looking at the marriage of Elizabeth Simkin 1860 in Leicester, it was to Benjamin Repton, they are in Loughborough, not sure about this one, census for them
1861
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7RB-VWR
Don't think I'm helping much with William either but
1861
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TF-2JP
1871
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTK-3NM
1881
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKX8-RDG8
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Willsy.... Benjamin Repton looks like the right one doesn't he. It also appears that Elizabeth's eldest was base born.... John Simpkin.
Jomot... Enjoy your hols. We just had a week in Thailand to get away from this cold. It worked while it lasted! I had noticed the address on the 1841.... It was another Blimey moment. But we will see, even though I'm feeling confident. ;D
Annie.... So this John Simpkin could be a bro to William. From memory there is also another Simpkin lurking around with a similar birth year.
I will try to work out that will today.
Ta.
Bitzar
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:'( :'( :'(
Bad new folks....
A beautiful person was able to check the 1839 Will of William Simpkin of Donnington Castle.... He's not mine. Wife Ann... Children, Thomas, John, and Jane.
Bitz.
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Bother!
Still, ruling out can be useful!
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:'( :'( :'(
Bad new folks....
A beautiful person was able to check the 1839 Will of William Simpkin of Donnington Castle.... He's not mine. Wife Ann... Children, Thomas, John, and Jane.
Bitz.
Oh that's a shame. Just got back from holiday and was hoping the will would have tied it all up nicely, especially with John and Ann Unwin baptising two children at Castle Donnington. :(
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It was a huge shame Jomot. I am yet to go through and have a look at if there could be typo's... ie SIMKIN.
The other 2 William Simpkin's are ruled out. William Astle Simpkin was married to Diana, and William Simpkin of Blaby seems to young. I'm yet to look through Annie's list of WS's.
bitzar.
EDIT - I hope the hols were great!
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UPDATE:
The other witness besides Ann UNWIN on the 1844 marriage of John and Mary was George SPARROW. NOW, there was a George SPARROW in the Leicester Jail with one of the John COX's on the 1841. I feel confident now that this narrow's the search down to the correct John COX but other than that I've nothing more to report.
bitzar.
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Now that Leicestershire records are online I've had a look at the baptism for Amy on 28 June 1837, and it says d/o the late William & Rebecca, Charles Street, Labourer.
Also there was a daughter Elizabeth baptised in 1808 at the same time as Ann.
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Jomot
Thanks for that info. Excellent... From censuses it looks like Amy was born about 1826, although baptised in 1836.
The Elizabeth baptised with Ann in 1808 I will need to look at. An Elizabeth appears in the 1841 with Rebecca 60, Amy 14, and Elizabeth 9. So either the 1808 Elizabeth died or the Elizabeth aged 9 on the 1841 is a grand daughter. The latter is probs more likely as Rebecca actually would of been about 53 when she was born.
I can also now narrow down the death of Wm SIMPKIN to 1826ish - 1836 (the baptism of Amy) thanks that your info today.
Thanks again,
bitzar.