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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: paumurp on Wednesday 03 August 16 23:02 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I've hit a bit of a brick wall with regards to a couple of family threads, and was wondering if anyone can help.
My great grandfather is John Hughes, found in Knockraheen in Co Wicklow in the 1901 census. I have his marriage to Ellen Graydon in 1905. His father is James. I've different dates for his year of birth through his marriage cert, 2 censuses, his death cert and his gravestone. Each giving a different age and adding to the general confusion finding his birth cert.
Ellen was born in 1887 to Robert Graydon and Bridget Ellis, and are also from around the Knockraheen area. She seems to be a servant in someone's house in 1901. Robert and Bridget married in 1883 in Newtownmountkennedy. Robert's father is Richard, and Bridget's Andrew.
I found a baptism in Kilquade for a Robert with a father Richard (and mother Marie Anne Warlock who I also can't find anything more about despite the name) in 1845. I suspect Robert and or Bridget are dead by 1901.
I can't find a Bridget Ellis born to Andrew Ellis. I found an Andrew that goes by Edward somewhere, and I can't for the life of my find that link again. If Edward is correct I think I have that line, Bridget would be born in 1856 to Edward Ellis and Bridget Kavanagh...but its all guess work, and dodgy reasoning.
So, really I'm struggling to get past these blocks. I can't be certain of John Hughes' birthdate therefore can't find his mother's maiden name. Can't find the Graydons. And can't find Andrew Ellis.
Any help would be gratefully received
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how about these for possible Ellis family
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i4v/
edited to add
son Andrew of the above and mother Ellen remarried to a James Dempsey ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Newcastle_Upper/Monalin/1816005/
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/71c7787036449
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Hi Daithi,
sorry about the delay in replying.
Thanks for the links. They have some potential, especially with the sponsor for the son Andrew being a Hughes. The problem with it is following it up with a search on Roots Ireland, I can find 6 baptisms for Children of Andrew and Ellen between 1958 and 1969, but no Bridget.
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Actually I'd love it if it was Andrew and Ellen, as they married on Dec 26, the same day as my parents :)
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what Parish did you find those baptisms in
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Hi Daithi
Margaret in 58 says Wicklow, nothing noted in address. (Witnesses Michael Byrne Elizabeth Murphy)
Ellen in 60 is the same (witnesses George Waters, Elizabeth Brown)
James in 62 is Kilquade, although, the mother is listed as Heden (Witnesses William and Bridget Marks)
Andrew 65 is Kilquade, Address Prospect, mother Elanor Hayden (witnesses Thomas Hughes, Esther Poland)
Anna 67, also Kilquade and Prospect (witnesses Patrick Doyle, Catherine Kelly)
William 69, Kilquade, address Prospect, Mother Ellen Headan (witnesses Owen and Maria Short)
Witnesses a bit interesting as the name Elizabeth Murphy pops up in 1871 as the name of mother to a John Hughes, and Thomas Hughes, because he's a Hughes.
Waters and Short are still a common enough name in Newtownmountkennedy/Newcastle.
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Just to say that there is an earlier baptism of Patrick in 1854
mother is shown as Eleanor Ellis
Marriage of Andrew ELLIS and Ellinor HEADEN was in Glendalough on Jan 26 1846
both were of Annaghgoulan; no parents are shown; sponsors Stephen & Anne BEGLEY & Peter MAGUIRK
There are no baptisms that I can see that fill the gap years between 1846 and 1858 which was the period of the famine and so may not have been recorded or maybe missed by transcription error - you'd have to go through actual registers to see at www.nli.ie
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Thanks Myluck,
FindMyPast actually has it for Dec 26 1845 in transcript, but the image clearly shows it in Jan 46.
Might have a slow trawl through the microfilm
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A Matthew born 17 April 1847 Glendalough film
? http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Altidore/Knockraheen/896524/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Altidore/Knockraheen/1815522/
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Married Catherine White or was she a widow Catherine Smith
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/6e385b0432261
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633495#page/151/mode/1up
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/b2663a0043883
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGV7-VV8
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Yippie
6th May 1849
Bridget of Andrew Ellis and Ellen Hayden
sps Pat Nugent and Doolly Doyle
right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633426#page/174/mode/1up
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2 more possible sisters Mary Anne and Ellen
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/36b1980068388
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0c25200120212
not obvious on census
but could have gone to Massachusetts
unamed female 3rd Jan 1883 both parents from Ireland and father a jeweler.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FXDH-KSN
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Yippie
6th May 1849
Bridget of Andrew Ellis and Ellen Hayden
sps Pat Nugent and Doolly Doyle
right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633426#page/174/mode/1up
Legend!!! Ah great stuff Daithi. That's fantastic work. Thanks very, very much
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Hi paumurp,
I came across this thread on the Graydon's of Wicklow when doing some research of my own and have some information that might be of interest to you.
Ellen Graydon’s youngest brother Frederick was my great grandfather which makes us relatives. Their parents Robert and Bridget were married 1883 and had five children Richard 1884, Robert 1885, Ellen 1887, Thomas 1888, Frederick 1890). Unfortunately, Richard (died 1900) and Bridget (died 1899) died within a year of each other of TB while the family were all still very young. It’s a very sad story as the family was broken up and farmed out as servants to different families around Wicklow.
I have quite a bit of information about this, some from family stories and other bits from information I found when doing research. If you are interested I can send you on documents and tell you more about the stories.
Thanks
Fiach
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Hi Fiach,
I would love to swap notes.
Ellen, as I have said in the post is my Great Grandmother.
But I have very little on Frederick, or indeed either of Ellen's siblings, other than Thomas, as I was in touch with one of his ancestors. I have a few newspaper clippings I've managed to track down about different Graydons.
I have a mix of bits of info about the Ellis family, Frederick and Ellen's mother's family.
So, yes please, I'll send you a pm and maybe we can exchange email addresses so that we can share documents or information
Thanks for getting in touch
Paul
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Thanks Paul!
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I'll send you my email on PM.