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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: bitzar on Sunday 07 August 16 11:21 BST (UK)
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Hi team
I have my James Nicholls and family on the 1841 at Carn Brea, Illogan. They migrated to Australia later in the 1840's but I want more on James.
1841 England Census
Illogan, Carn Brea.
James Nicholls 35, Copper Miner, Y
Sarah Nicholls 35, Y
Harriet Nicholls 15 Y
Samuel Nicholls 12, Y
Sarah Nicholls 8, Y
James Nicholls 5, Y
Grace Nicholls 2,Y.
James, from his death in 1856 in Australia, James was born c1801, supposedly in Cornwall.
Sarah is nee Sinclair, daughter of Peter Sinclair, Naval Officer, and Elizabeth Ann Hooper. bc 1802, supposedly in Devonport, Devon. cant find marriage.
Harriet, no other info regarding her birth. Died South Australia 1848.
Samuel, born and died Cornwall 1828. Baptised St. Blazey.
Samuel, baptised St. Blazey 1829. Died South Australia 1851.
Sarah, baptised St. Agnes nr Truro 1832. Died St. Agnes 1833.
Sarah, born Cornwall c1834. Died Victoria, Australia 1894.
James, born Cornwall c1835. Died South Australia 1848.
Grace, born Redruth or Illogan c1837. Died Victoria, Australia 1913.
I have them in Australia but not England, except for the 1841.
tia,
bitzar.
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JAMES NICHOLLS
Marriage date 23 Oct 1824
Parish St Blazey
Bride: Sarah SINCLAIR
Cornwall, England
Cas
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Cas
Wow.... what a great start.
Thanks, bitzar.
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Baptisms
22nd October 1832 at St Agnes
Sarah Nicholls, daughter of James (miner) and Sarah Nicholls, of Silverwell
11th February 1834 at St Agnes
Sarah Nichols, daughter of James (miner) and Sarah Nichols, of Silverwell
10th January 1837 at Chacewater
James Nicholls, son of James (a miner) and Sarah Nicholls, of Blackwater
Burial
17th February 1833
Sarah Nicholls, age 2, of Silver Well
all info courtesy of Cornwall-OPC-Database
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KGarrad..... thanks for the baptisms. I didn't know where they actually lived. Looks like Silverwell is right by Three Burrows. Still a farm today called Silverwell Farm.
Cas..... Any witnesses to that marriage?!
bitzar.
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Only the index, no image, no further info than posted. Source: Cornwall Marriages on F M P
Cas
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KGarrad..... thanks for the baptisms. I didn't know where they actually lived. Looks like Silverwell is right by Three Burrows. Still a farm today called Silverwell Farm.
Cas..... Any witnesses to that marriage?!
bitzar.
Cornwall-OPC-Database again! ;D
Witnesses Jno. Hooper (made mark) and Joseph Cornelius
James a bachelor; Sarah a spinster; both made their mark.
No father's names.
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Interesting.....
Sarah's mother was Elizabeth Ann HOOPER. Maybe John was a relation. Elizabeth Ann's parents were possible Daniel and Ann but this is a big maybe.... I found a Devon baptism for the approx year!!!
Thanks again
Bitzar.
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Hi all first post be gentle i believe i am great great great grandson of James Nicholls ..research so far in OZ bdm vic death record in index (spelling) Nichols died 10 jun 1856 " corn "stated as place of birth ..copy of inquest Avoca Vic accidental death due to drowning while returning home to tent from daughters home ..burial ground unknown as cemetery not est ...Arrived South Aust on the ship "China" 1847 as James and Sarah plus 3 children ,Samuel Nicholls ,Harriet Nicholls. I believe my great great grandfather known as John Nicholls was James son of James although Johns father on bdm was stated as William on index may be typo .....many thanks Craig
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Welcome Craig, I'll be gentle!
So, this is definitely my family... I am a bit confused on your relationship though?! Who are you saying you are descended from?!
James Snr is buried at Avoca Cemetery and I have worked out the approx location after many years.
I cant recall the name of the ship at the moment but I think it should be 5 children.
Hope to chat soon.
bitzar, Melbourne.
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Hi bits my dad was Kelvin Augustus Nicholls his father was Henry (Harry) Nicholls followed by Augustus Walsh Pugh Nicholls his dad was John Nicholls publican Avoca buried Avoca headstone still there .....and i believe his father to be James Nicholls drowned Avoca River father of Sarah Smith Nicholls / per inquest ....I take John being James or a ring in and i will have start buying copies of certs...thanks for your rapid reply ...Craig QLD
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Craig
Don’t buy any Certs yet! People on here can do amazing things.
But... I think you MAY be barking up the wrong tree! Our James, son of James died in Adelaide in 1848 not long after their arrival. On James Snr’s dc (the one who drowned in the Avoca) it also states son James, deceased. The other children also tally up. Only Sarah and Grace had family. There is no mention of a John Nicholls on either James Snr or Sarah Nicholls dc’s.
You should try posting on the Australian board with what facts you have regarding your John. When died John die and what parents are named on his dc?!
Bitzar.
Ps. Have you done an ancestry DNA test?!
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Hi again my great great grandfather John Nicholls publican Homebush region Victoria Death details are
died 1906 Homebush Headstone Avoca cemetery BDM vic index says father William Mother Sarah ...wife Augusta Pugh Walsh Nicholls ....thanks for the advise bitzar ...no dna yet ..currently use heritage looks like i might have some deletions ....thanks heaps haha
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Craig
Did your John marry in Victoria?! If so, what year?!
Bitzar
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Craig
I've been having a snoop. There is quite a bit on Trove about your John!
I would suggest purchasing the Victorian marriage certificate of John NICHOLLS and Augusta Susan WALSH in 1872. You can do it online and download it immediately. It should have the parents as given by both parties themselves. It looks as if John was a bit older than Augusta so may mention a previous marriage if there was one.
There must also be a story there about Augusta's surname, born PUGH, married WALSH?!
Regards, bitzar.
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Hi all bit the bullet and purchased a marriage cert under instruction from bitza seem to be back on track detail as follows John Nicholls age 37 bachelor publican m Augusta Susan Walsh 18 spinster ..Johns father William Nicholls occ minister mother name ........Sarah Nicholls/ Nicholls...Augusta father on cert is Charles Edward Walsh also publican mother Elizabeth ann Walsh (Blyth) ...starting to unravel must sus out Sarah ...and John birth at looks like Bishop Stafford Staffordshire....for whom is esq afforded on passenger lists? Ministers...Thanks all Craig
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Hi Craig
Craig, I suggest you start a new thread on the Australian board about your family. There are soooo many people to help you.
Augusta Susan seems to have been born with surname PUGH in 1853. Her mother noted as Eliza DINIGHAN on her bc. Are Eliza DINIGHAN and Elizabeth Ann BLYTH the same person?!
bitzar
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Craig
Oh Wow..... I've just been reading about Charles Edward PUGH a.k.a. Charley WALSH. What an amazing life! There should be a lot of info about on him I'd say. Possibly in the Australian archives for Actors, etc.
Are you related to Clifton, being an Artistic family?!
bitzar.
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I looked down that avenue but could not find a link to pugh / walsh in my lot but i have been wrong before...many times..thanks again.
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Craig
I would suggest that Augusta Susan WALSH was actually Augusta Susan PUGH, as she was born. I think that her father's name was Charles Edward PUGH but his stage name was Charley WALSH. Augusta actually uses the name PUGH as her maiden name on one of the birth/deaths of her children.
The issue with her mother's name though.... Maybe she didn't actually know WHO her real other was?!
bitzar.
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Another name to throw into the mix is Elizabeth Ann Patterson Blyth Walsh....attach an Unwin also for birth of son...Ellen Laura Pugh St Clair...Eliza Pugh Dinighan...William Storier Patterson...Charles edward pugh ...Charles Edward walsh ...son Edward Patterson Walsh..on marriage cert wedding held at house of Patterson ?? Been in and out of bdm index and Trove and associated freebies looks like another cert coming up wich one ? thank Craig
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Hi,
Also new, but researching Nichols in Ballarat and surrounds.
Try Trove, Australian newspapers online. Register for free. May tell of him and his journey and/or death.
Good luck
Regards, Elaine