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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Pipeclay on Monday 08 August 16 06:01 BST (UK)
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On Thursday 23rd March 1911, a Mrs Baldwin of Wahroonga ( northern Sydney ) took three of her children ( names and ages not known except for "Jackie" aged 3 ), to visit Mrs Jones at Mount Colah, another place about 7 kilometers away.
Jackie wandered off into "dingo country", and was not found until the following Monday morning after a large and apparently somewhat chaotic search.
This was reported in many papers both during and after the hunt. One of the more detailed accounts was in the "Cumberland Argus and Fruitgrowers' Advocate" on Wednesday 29 March 1911, here
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/85995248
And this story from the "Evening News" of Friday 24th March, the day after he went missing:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/113932753
There are many other newspaper reports, a few mostly original but most of them obvious copied from what other papers said.
So who was Jackie Baldwin ?
It seems from the newspaper stories, he had both a mother and a father. He had two siblings. One of the newspaper stories apparently refers to an older brother being send on an errand, and Jackie being disgruntled that he could not go.
A few newspaper stories name the missing child as "John", including this one
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/126775096
Most newspaper stories don't name his parents. One refers to his father as Mr. J. Baldwin. Another refers to his father as John Baldwin.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/79999905
Notably, the most local newspaper, which names many local residents and details about the search, the Cumberland Argus, doesn't mention his parents names.
A rather odd story in "The Sun" of 8th April 1911 reported on an outbreak of mental illness at Hornsby after this episode, and a public meeting held to discuss rewarding the searchers, or alternatively rewarding Jackie Baldwin.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/221591598
There are 8 births for people called John Baldwin in NSW between 1907 and 1909. He might have been an immigrant, or from interstate.
The closest birth registration to Wahroonga was John E Baldwin, who birth was registered at Chatswood in 1908 and whose parents names were George R and Maude.
Looking at the death registrations for John Baldwin, this 1908 birth seems to correspond in the index to the 1949 death of John Edward Baldwin, parents George Richard and Maude Elizabeth. There is an internet reference to this 1949 burial at Liverpool cemetery, which supposedly says he was 41, which would match the 1908 birth, I guess. I found that the other day, but I can't find it again now.
So that is one plausible candidate to be the missing Jackie Baldwin, I guess.
This George and Maude Baldwin seem to have had 3 other children born in 1905, 1910 and 1912, which is three as of 1911 which matches the missing child story. Except for the father being called George.
There was a John Edward Baldwin in the RAAF in WW2, who was from Queensland but who claimed to have been born in Sydney on 18th March 1908, which would be 3 on 23rd March 1911.
Any suggestions on who "Jackie" was, or what happened to him ?
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Sands Directories, 1915
Fred BALDWIN, Coonanbarra Road, Wahroonga
George BALDWIN, Coonanbarra Road, Wahroonga
JM
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Is there a reason you are searching for Jackie BALDWIN?
Is he in some way related to you and perhaps you are wishing to trace this line of your family history?
Sue
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/45149059 1 April 1911 a report detailing who helped find the child. This report is from a Broken Hill newspaper.
Red Post .... Good Questions from Sue.
May I please add ....... Pipeclay,
Do you have any NSW BDM certificates for the sightings mentioned in your opening Post,
JM
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Not related to me. It is more of a "Hornsby local history" angle.
He apparently survived the ordeal of being lost. I'm not sure how buying certificates, at this point, would actually corroborate anything specific about any of the potential John or Jackie Baldwins that there might be.
I suppose the 1949 death certificate for the person apparently buried at Liverpool might confirm his age. A cause of death, helpfully stating "died due to debility from being lost in 1911 for three days", would seem very unlikely to me.
I don't need to "prove" anything about this guy. I am just wondering what happened to him.
The previous post mentioning there was a George Baldwin in the Sands directory in 1915, is not inconsistent with the hypothesis that his father was named George, and the 1911 newspapers mentioning his father as J. or John Baldwin were somehow mistaken.
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http://www.hornsby.nsw.gov.au/library/activities-and-events/hornsby-shire-family-history-group
Have you considered contacting the above group?
JM
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This sentence beginning with the following needs to be removed. I would be most upset if it was my grandmother being referred to as having died in such a manner and being referred to as "delusional" on a public forum by a complete stranger.
In December 1912, a woman near Wodonga
Jamjar
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Checking the index to NSW death registrations, entry 22904 of 1949 was apparently made on 2 July 1949 and has John Edward Baldwin, whose parents were George Richard Baldwin and Maude Elizabeth and whose death was registered at Liverpool.
The Sydney Morning Herald of 4th July 1949 contains two consecutive funeral announcements
BALDWIN-The Relatives and Friends
of May Baldwin and Familv of
Glenfield are kindly Invited to attend
the Funeral of her beloved Husband and
their Father JOHN EDWARD to leave
All Saints Church Liverpool This
(Monday) Afternoon at 2 45 o'clock
for Catholic Cemetery Liverpool
WOOD COFFILL LIMITED and MURPHY AND SONS Liverpool
BALDWIN -The Relatives and Friends of Mr and Mrs George R Baldwin and Family of Glenfield are
kindly Invited to attend the Funeral of their dearly beloved Son and Brother
JOHN EDWARD BALDWIN For particulars see family notice ^_^
The "Australian Cemeteries Index" says that John Edward Baldwin was 41 and was interred at the Liverpool Catholic cemetery row L plot 105 on 4th July 1949, transcribed by Peter Olsen. Whether this is a tombstone or cemetery record that Peter Olsen has transcribed, is not entirely apparent.
I am prepared to believe that those items cited are in relation to one individual. The wording of the funeral announcement tends to suggest that he was outlived by at least one of his parents, and names his father George R Baldwin, and which also leads to the inference that he was not himself very elderly. It also indicates that John was married.
I think that this is the guy whose birth was registered at Chatswood NSW in 1908. The parents names and his age match up. There are not a huge number of John E Baldwins.
But that still does not link this 1908 born Chatswood fellow to being the 3-year-old supposed Wahroonga resident who was lost in 1911.
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This sentence beginning with the following needs to be removed.
Jamjar
Did you read what all the newspapers said in 1912, and what the coroner said ?
Anyway, I am doubtful if it is relevant to my query, so I will take it out if I can figure out how.
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See WW11 enlistment John BALDWIN. One with birth 1908, NOK the address found on electoral roll Wahroonga.
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Zooming in on the 1908 NSW birth for John E Baldwin, at Chatswood, apparently indicates a birth date of 18 March 1908, which is the same birthdate which the army recorded for John Edward Baldwin who enlisted at Brisbane on 15 April 1940, and supposedly resided at Jandowae via Dalby, which is a bit west of Toowoomba. His next of kin was Elanor Baldwin, according to the World War 2 nominal roll website.
Is that the one you mean, or another John Baldwin ?
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Supporting Wivenhoe's post. :)
Online at the NAA
66 pages for the RAAF service records for John Edward BALDWIN, including these notes
:) that he was deceased July 1949.
:) that his father was George, of Coonanbarra Road, Wahroonga.
There's a great deal of family details in the file, which may well include details of living persons, so I will not type up any further info.
JM
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There is also Bruce A Baldwin, whose birth was registered on 5 or 6 November 1905, at St Leonards NSW, with parents George R and Maude Baldwin.
And the WW2 nominal roll contains Bruce Arthur Baldwin, who enlisted on 11 August 1942 at Normanton Queensland, and was purported born according to the army on 5 November 1905 at Hornsby NSW. His next of kin was L Baldwin and he was discharged in 1944.
There is a registered death in Queensland, C2377 in 1976, Bruce Arthur Baldwin, parents George Richard Baldwin and Maud Mail. He would have been 71, if it is the same person.
If these 3 entries relate to the same person, it is interesting that he told the army he was born at Hornsby, although his birth was registered at St Leonards NSW.
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NSW ER 1902/3 NORTH SYDNEY polling Wahroonga
Alice Margaret MAIL, Coonanbarra Road, Wahroonga, domestic duties
Sands 1909 Suburban Directory, Wahroonga
John JONES, Coonanbarra Road and Lane Cove Road, a carter.
(JM notes that 'Lane Cove Road' in that era was the road that became the Pacific Highway !, and it is not the road between Ryde and Pymble)
JM
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This sentence beginning with the following needs to be removed.
Jamjar
Did you read what all the newspapers said in 1912, and what the coroner said ?
Anyway, I am doubtful if it is relevant to my query, so I will take it out if I can figure out how.
I would have thought that we had come a long way - post 1903 - in how we view and refer to those with mental illness. Obviously not the case here.
Whether you're doubtful of its relevance to your query or not, providing explicit information pertaining to the event and providing a derogatory comment of your own - whether printed in a newspaper or not - on a public forum such as this, is very different to someone clicking on a link to view an article or locating the said article themselves during a web search, or specifically asking RCs to locate the information for them.
I too made a similar mistake when I first joined Rootschat, but I saw why the term I'd used may cause distress to others and apologised for my flippant remark, rather than saying that it didn't matter anyway.
Jamjar
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... it is interesting that he told the army he was born at Hornsby, although his birth was registered at St Leonards NSW.
The "St Leonards" district in that era was 'huge' .... and the NSW BDM districts were 'even more huge' .....
For example, St Leonards back in that era as an Electoral District could include as far west as Carlingford, and the border was the Parramatta River all the way to Rydalmere.
There was nothing odd about being born at Hornsby and birth being registered in the St Leonards district. You would need to obtain the official transcription to determine both a) the address where the birth was registered and b) the address where the birth occurred.
JM
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I couldn't see a mention on TROVE of the death of woman near Wodonga. Could you post a reference, please?
This is a good game of sleuth!
Judith
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The North Sydney Electorate in 1902 extended as far north as Morrisset, as far N-West as Wiseman's Ferry, as far west as North P'tta, and of course as far east as the Coast ! St Leonards, Hornsby, Colah, Wahroonga were all of course part of that electorate.
JM
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The road from Ryde towards Pymble is called "Lane Cove Road", because between the 1850's and 1880's, Gordon was called "Lane Cove".
The Pacific Highway was also called Lane Cove Road, because if you were starting from Hornsby or from North Sydney, it was the road to ... Gordon.
The main street in Lindfield was still called Lane Cove Road in the 1920's. I guess going either way leads to Lane Cove, from Lindfield.
The road from Mona Vale towards Gordon was originally called Lane Cove Road for the same reason, and a small part of it at Ingleside which was bypassed years ago, is still called Lane Cove Road.
Gordon was renamed in the 1880's. There are two theories about the re-naming of Gordon. One theory is that it was named after General Gordon who died at Khartoum. There is a Khartoum street right next to the station.
However the Lands Dept parishes on the north shore were called Willoughby and Gordon, and names of these two cadastral parishes predates the battle of Khartoum by decades, and they were apparently named after a General called James Willoughby Gordon, who was a mate of Macquarie although the Duke of Wellington had a very low opinion of him, according to letters cited by Wellington's biographer. So the village of Lane Cove might have been renamed Gordon simply after the parish in which it was situated.
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yes, that is well known info, I was simply placing Alice MAIL's location. :) as it seems to me that is part of this search.
The road from Ryde towards Pymble is called "Lane Cove Road", because between the 1850's and 1880's, Gordon was called "Lane Cove".
The Pacific Highway was also called Lane Cove Road, because if you were starting from Hornsby or from North Sydney, it was the road to ... Gordon.
The main street in Lindfield was still called Lane Cove Road in the 1920's. I guess going either way leads to Lane Cove, from Lindfield.
The road from Mona Vale towards Gordon was originally called Lane Cove Road for the same reason, and a small part of it at Ingleside which was bypassed years ago, is still called Lane Cove Road.
Gordon was renamed in the 1880's. There are two theories about the re-naming of Gordon. One theory is that it was named after General Gordon who died at Khartoum. There is a Khartoum street right next to the station.
However the Lands Dept parishes on the north shore were called Willoughby and Gordon, and names of these two cadastral parishes predates the battle of Khartoum by decades, and they were apparently named after a General called James Willoughby Gordon, who was a mate of Macquarie although the Duke of Wellington had a very low opinion of him, according to letters cited by Wellington's biographer. So the village of Lane Cove might have been renamed Gordon simply after the parish in which it was situated.
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I couldn't see a mention on TROVE of the death of woman near Wodonga. Could you post a reference, please?
This is a good game of sleuth!
Judith
I've sent you a link via PM, which has a mention.
Jamjar
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... it is interesting that he told the army he was born at Hornsby, although his birth was registered at St Leonards NSW.
There was nothing odd about being born at Hornsby and birth being registered in the St Leonards district.
I was not suggesting that anything was "odd" about that.
I realise that these registration districts are and were quite big. They also changed over time. What might be "Wahroonga near St Leonards" in 1905 might become "Wahroonga near Chatswood" in 1910.
In fact, quite the contrary, the fact that he told the army he was born at Hornsby, lends some support to the hypothesis that he was a member of the Wahroonga family, which is very close to Hornsby, and not a member of some other hypothetical Baldwin family living at Wollstonecraft or Naremburn or some other place which is actually close to St Leonards.
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I couldn't see a mention on TROVE of the death of woman near Wodonga. Could you post a reference, please?
This is a good game of sleuth!
Judith
Searching for "Jacky Baldwin" on Trove and then choosing the 1910-1920 decade will reveal multiple stories about the December 1912 Wodonga Yarrawonga incident.
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There is also Bruce A Baldwin, whose birth was registered on 5 or 6 November 1905, at St Leonards NSW, with parents George R and Maude Baldwin.
And the WW2 nominal roll contains Bruce Arthur Baldwin, who enlisted on 11 August 1942 at Normanton Queensland, and was purported born according to the army on 5 November 1905 at Hornsby NSW. His next of kin was L Baldwin and he was discharged in 1944.
There is a registered death in Queensland, C2377 in 1976, Bruce Arthur Baldwin, parents George Richard Baldwin and Maud Mail. He would have been 71, if it is the same person.
If these 3 entries relate to the same person, it is interesting that he told the army he was born at Hornsby, although his birth was registered at St Leonards NSW.
Pipeclay, I realise you are new to RChat, and I expect you are a long standing family history buff. May I please suggest that there is simply no reason to write "purportedly" or any other adverse words. Those words may well be considered by 21st century eyes as suggesting that the named person has been less than truthful when lodging the paperwork. As you are relying on online indexes to make those assumptions, surely it would be sensible to re-phrase rather than to let any inappropriate inference stand. I mention this particularly as your enquiry involves seeking someone who may well have younger living siblings. Afterall, the NSW BDM online index does NOT display birth registrations for births where that birth occurred less than 100 years ago.
JM
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Supporting Wivenhoe's post. :)
Online at the NAA
66 pages for the RAAF service records for John Edward BALDWIN, including these notes
:) that he was deceased July 1949.
:) that his father was George, of Coonanbarra Road, Wahroonga.
There's a great deal of family details in the file, which may well include details of living persons, so I will not type up any further info.
JM
I was not aware that these WW2 records were available. I have only hitherto seen WW1, thanks for that !
It's a bit curious that his wife is named in this WW2 file as Miriam, but the NAA file is indexed with NOK Elanor, and the WW2 nominal roll also has Elanor, and the funeral notice has "May".
I wonder if he was married more than once.
The various military papers seem to have both Jandowae and Wahroonga adresses for his wife.
I will read them more closely and try to determine the date order.
Anyway, I think this John Edward Baldwin ( 1908-1949 ) is probably the "Jackie Baldwin" who was lost in 1911.
Thanks for all your suggestions.
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Mr and Mrs George Baldwin saying thanks. Second column.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i5m/
J.
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It's a bit curious that his wife is named in this WW2 file as Miriam, but the NAA file is indexed with NOK Elanor, and the WW2 nominal roll also has Elanor, and the funeral notice has "May".
I wonder if he was married more than once.
Thanks for all your suggestions.
For clarity-
Marriages NSW
2490/1929
BALDWIN John E
CASE Miriam
At CHATSWOOD
11192/1944
BALDWIN John Edward
MARSHALL Eleanor May
At NEWTOWN
Sue
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There is also Bruce A Baldwin, whose birth was registered on 5 or 6 November 1905, at St Leonards NSW, with parents George R and Maude Baldwin.
And the WW2 nominal roll contains Bruce Arthur Baldwin, who enlisted on 11 August 1942 at Normanton Queensland, and was purported born according to the army on 5 November 1905 at Hornsby NSW. His next of kin was L Baldwin and he was discharged in 1944.
There is a registered death in Queensland, C2377 in 1976, Bruce Arthur Baldwin, parents George Richard Baldwin and Maud Mail. He would have been 71, if it is the same person.
If these 3 entries relate to the same person, it is interesting that he told the army he was born at Hornsby, although his birth was registered at St Leonards NSW.
Pipeclay, I realise you are new to RChat, and I expect you are a long standing family history buff. May I please suggest that there is simply no reason to write "purportedly" or any other adverse words. Those words may well be considered by 21st century eyes as suggesting that the named person has been less than truthful when lodging the paperwork. As you are relying on online indexes to make those assumptions, surely it would be sensible to re-phrase rather than to let any inappropriate inference stand. I mention this particularly as your enquiry involves seeking someone who may well have younger living siblings. Afterall, the NSW BDM online index does NOT display birth registrations for births where that birth occurred less than 100 years ago.
JM
Well I can see what you are trying to say. I am more familiar with the WW1 records than the WW2. I have looked at thousands of them. The point I would say, is the recruiting officer is going to write down what the recruit says, and not demand proof, and only in a tiny fraction of cases where the proposed recruit's age is suspect, they are too young, too old, or require parental consent, did the Army seek to officially verify the recruit's age.
Case in point, when John Edward Baldwin enlisted in Queensland, he didn't say he was born at St Leonards or Chatswood or Hornsby or Wahroonga or Kuringgai. He just said Sydney. Which is easier than spelling some complicated name with which the Queensland recruiting sergeant would not be familiar. Where as, if he had enlisted in the Sydney, the recruiting sergeant may well have been more inquisitive.
That is often the case where people enlisted interstate. I have people born at Caulfield, Melbourne, and their birth certifcate says they were born there, and when they enlisted in Perth, they just said "Melbourne". Even worse, is when they confuse places like Richmond or Carlton or Burwood which appear in more than one state.
The army recruitment record is not an official record of the applicants birth date or age. It is what he or she told them, and they rarely check, and in thousands of cases, recruits have been inaccurate about their age for one reason or the other.
Usage of qualifying words and phrases such as "purportedly" merely reflects this level of doubt in the accuracy and assurance of various sources, particular when they appear to be potentially inconsistent. You should not overthink it.
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Funeral notice for John with parents Mr and MRS George. So either he remarried, or Jacks mother was never deceased.
Fifth column:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i5o/
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"As you are relying on online indexes to make those assumptions, "
I am not "assuming" anything.
My principal source is actually newspapers, and while newspapers have their own accuracy issues, I am satisfied that the online newspaper sources are no less legible than the paper or microfilm versions.
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A birth notice. Upon reading will offer further support through locality.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16593126
Sue
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The possible death of Alice (nee MAIL)
EDIT- or maybe not ;D
BALDWIN Alice Maud M
27779/1952
Aged 74 Yrs
Mother Mary
At PADDINGTON
Sue
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Funeral notice for John with parents Mr and MRS George. So either he remarried, or Jacks mother was never deceased.
Fifth column:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i5o/
That would be the normal interpretation, I entirely agree. However there is no shortage of examples of such announcements appearing where one parent is already deceased. His mother ( or as you say, possible step-mother ) is not named there. I see no reason why the friends of his mother or maternal relatives would be excluded from the invite.
If his father was deceased, and not his mother, you'd be more likely to see "Mrs George R. Baldwin", or "Mrs Maud Baldwin" inviting friends and relatives to the funeral. You see plenty of both.
It would be quite strange indeed for such an announcement to appear where BOTH parents were already deceased. Particular when the announcement from his wife is right there next to it.
Without having pursued every single rabbit down every single burrow, at the time I made that post, I am quite satisfied with my circumspect "it would appear that at least one of his parents was still living", or whatever I actually said.
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Your pompous attitude begs belief, so I will have one final comment and leave the others to deal with your enquiry.
The woman who died in Yarrawonga, was Eleanor Baldwin, so you may like to see how she fits in with the family connections you think you have made.
Jamjar
Added: As the good researchers on this site would say, to prove your connection, get yourself a transcription of a certificate or two.
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There is also the 1944 marriage of John Edward Baldwin to Eleanor May Marshall.
Which could potentially explain why his wife appears to be Miriam at the start of the War, "Elanor" at the end of the War, and "May" in 1949.
That's a couple more certificates I would need to obtain, if I was actually that interested.
First I will go through that military file again, very closely, to see if there is any substitution of Elanor for Miriam, as his next-of-kin, at any point during the War.
It is also possible that the "Elanor" in the file index and the nominal roll is entirely a red herring, being actually Miriam misread by someone. The name Miriam appears at least five times on different pages in that file, and at least 2 of those are not very legibly written.
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The woman who died in Yarrawonga, was Eleanor Baldwin, so you may like to see how she fits in with the family connections you think you have made.
Added: As the good researchers on this site would say, to prove your connection, get yourself a transcription of a certificate or two.
All the nit-picking about usage of words is coming in one direction, and it is not coming from me.
Baldwin is a not uncommon family name, and I don't think John Edward Baldwin's WW2 military papers would name, as his next-of-kin, his mother who had been dead 30 years ????
John Edward Baldwin was married, so he would not have been allowed to name his mother as next of kin, even if he wanted to, and she was still living. And his mother appears to have been named Alice Maud, or Maude, or Maude Elizabeth, anyway.
Are you suggesting there is an actual link to this Yarrawonga incident ?
There is also a squadron leader Jacky Baldwin in the RAF too, who was killed in Libya or somewhere. I did look into him briefly as well, but I am not going to research all of the tens of thousands of people surnamed Baldwin to do it, or construct family trees for them.
I don't know how you think a 1908 birth certificate or a 1949 death certificate is actually going to provide any definitive connection to a 1911 incident involving a lost child, whether it is the likely candidate John Edward Baldwin, or anybody else for that matter.
If you think it will, please suggest how ?
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This seems to be the death of the woman drowned in Yarrawonga
Victoria, 1912, # 16634
Ellen BALDWIN, 35
Died at Yarrawonga, Victoria
Father's name: HARBUTT Jno Walt
Mother's name: Ellen
This, then would seem to be her marriage:
1899, Victoria, # 7185
Ellen HARBUTT, Walt BALDWIN
The couple are listed on the Australian Birth Index as having 3 children and more are shown on a public tree. None of them has a name that fits "Jacky", despite the newspaper report and all of the family BMDs appear to take place in the Riverina district. No mention of Wahroonga at all. Sadly there is a baby's death in 1912 with the next register number to the death of Ellen, so perhaps this is the child referred to in the newspaper article. One might wonder if this was a case of post-natal depression.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/10527596
Thus it is unlikely that this incident is related to the Jackie lost and found in NSW>
Judith
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May I sidetrack for a moment.
Re WWI AIF records that the NAA has digitised, re NoK, ... John Edward Baldwin was married, so he would not have been allowed to name his mother as next of kin, even if he wanted to, and she was still living. And his mother appears to have been named Alice Maud, or Maude, or Maude Elizabeth, anyway.
My Grandfathers served in the AIF in WWI. Both enlisted as married men. Both nominated as their next of kin people other than their respective wives. One Grandfather nominated his eldest sister and the other Grandfather nominated one of his brothers - the one who was a Reverend.
My Dad served in WWII. He was a married man before enlisting. He nominated his Dad as his next of kin. It is my informed understanding that IF a telegram was needed to be sent, that it would be sent to the person nominated as NoK, and that would be one of the reasons for deciding who to nominate as next of kin.
In this century, I have been the nominated "nok" for various family members, and for inlaws, when they were being admitted to hospital. I have also been the 'informant' on NSW and Qld death registrations for family, for inlaws, for neighbours. "Next of Kin" on the attestment form is simply a contact point, rather than a strict interpretation for Probate matters or for AIF rewards.
Back to considering Jackie BALDWIN, the young boy who survived in the bush around Mt Colah back in 1911 ....
JM
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Mr and Mrs George Baldwin saying thanks. Second column.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i5m/
J.
Well found J
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Well done to Judith too. :)
JM
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page 20 of the 66 page WW2 military service file for John Edward Baldwin # 22231
has the small annotations on near the upper left corner
Stat. dec Married 31-12-38 and then Wife died 2-12-42
and near the upper right on the same page
next of kin Elanor May Baldwin relationship wife
and at the bottom left of the form, written sideways, Eleanor May Baldwin m. 17-3-44 and the names and dates of birth of the 2 sons of his first marriage and 1 son of his second marriage.
The death in Queensland of first his wife Miriam Baldwin was registered C4370 in Queensland in December 1942, and her parents recorded as Cornelius Case and Florence Pickles. One of the previous posters pointed out that he appeared to have married Miriam Case in 1928.
Unless there was more than one George Richard Baldwin in the relevant eras, and it doesn't seem all that likely that there was, this Baldwin family was somewhat surprisingly, actually connected with mine after all.
Anyway, I'm done with this investigation.
I want to thank everybody for their help suggestions and advice and things that they turned up.
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JM
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I really enjoyed this topic. What a remarkable story and how lucky that "Jackie" was found. I'm often intrigued by snippets on TROVE that I notice in looking for items relevant to my research so it's been good to follow this one through. Interesting to see how much can be unearthed about people in the past.
Thanks for putting it up!
Judith
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Greetings,
For anyone still interested in my Uncle Jack I post the following information -
Parents: George and Maude Baldwin
Residence: 103 Coonanbarra Rd Wahroonga NSW
No relatives in Yarrawonga, Victoria.
Children: Bruce, Jack, Mary, Vincent, Maude.
Bruce and wife Lily are buried at Normanton, Queensland.
Jacks first wife was Miriam died, reason unknown. They had 2 sons, both now deceased.
Jacks second wife was May, they had I daughter, I believe she is still living.
Jack had Air Force service, by trade an electrician, was sadly killed working on overhead power lines in 1949.
I am trying to add a photo taken shortly after Jack was found but am not having much luck.
I will seek advice.
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Wow - thanks Actinotus. It's really interesting to find the facts of a story and to compare them with what has been unearthed by searching.
Just one last thing - I assume your Uncle Jack is actually the Jackie who was lost and then found all those years ago.
Judith
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This is a picture of Jack Baldwin (left), with Grandma Baldwin (middle) and sister Mary (right) - a family picture shortly after he was found. A dress-up formal picture with a toy sheep.
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Hello Judith,
Nice to chat. Yes, this is my Uncle Jackie who caused all the commotion and I have to thank my high-tech son for organising the photo for me.
It seems that during the visit to Mrs Jones all those years ago, older children were allowed to go to the shop but Jack was either not allowed to go, or not wanted along however he climbed up the gate, let himself out and so wandered off and was lost.
It is a strange thing that the newspaper reports are the only records that we have.
Since, according to the paper, there were some 14 or so Police Officers and also Blacktrackers involved I coughed up $30 for a search under the Freedom of Information Act for any records.
I received a Notice of Decision in reply stating, in brief, that searches were made of State Police record repositories, Occurrence Pads, Police Gazettes etc., but nothing could be found.
Perhaps because the search had a happy outcome official records were not kept over a long period.
Best Regardss,
Actinotus.