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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Adnepos_Iacobi on Saturday 13 August 16 16:02 BST (UK)
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This Samuel HALLAM is proving elusive and I request helpful suggestions
He is mentioned in his father's will (1835) as the eldest child, inheriting the waste cotton spinning (candlewick) equipment. And sure enough in an 1845 Trade Directory he is there: candlewick manufacturer Ridgeway La Mill, House Leigh St [Stockport].
The next eldest child, Ephraim was born in 1812, despite the nonconformist background, christened at Stockport St Mary.
No sign of the marriage of the parents nor of Samuel's christening. Not found a candidate death for Samuel. And most irritatingly, not found him in the 1841 census (tried Hallam, Allum and the rest!).
Helpful suggestions please!
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There is this family in 1841 living at Back Lane, Stockport. However he is listed as a painter??
Samuel Haslem 30 Painter
Charlotte Haslem 30
James Haslem 10
Mary Miller 1
Kay
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Sam the painter is in Worsley in 1851, born Bolton. Unfortunately we can rule him out from the birth in Bolton.
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In 1841, Ephraim Hallam, a Cotton Manufacturer is in Shaw Heath, Stockport with a Mary Hallam
HO/107/113/18/29.
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Mother Mary is in Canal Street in 1841, with daughters Phoebe and Elizabeth?
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In 1841, Ephraim Hallam, a Cotton Manufacturer is in Shaw Heath, Stockport with a Mary Hallam
HO/107/113/18/29.
Yes, Ephraim is the centre of my interest and this Mary was his (and Samuel's, Sarah's Phoebe's, William's [x3], Mary Anne's John's and Elizabeth's) mother.
I am working on Samuel to get a better idea when parents John HALLAM (1786-1835, parents Benjamin and Mary) and Mary were married.
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Mother Mary is in Canal Street in 1841, with daughters Phoebe and Elizabeth?
From the 1851 census, Mary was born abt 1789 at Gill Bent (southern part of Cheadle Hulme). She died 30 Apr 1867, buried at Stockport Borough Cemetery, as are many of the family. I would like to know her maiden name and her marriage details. That is why I am chasing up son Samuel.
Phoebe married Samuel TAYLOR. Elizabeth married David FOGG...
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In 1828, John Hallam is listed as a Cotton Waste Spinner in Lower Hillgate. in Piggot's directory
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In 1828, John Hallam is listed as a Cotton Waste Spinner in Lower Hillgate. in Piggot's directory
John also gets a mention in the 1825 Stockport Directory (but not earlier trade directories eg The Commercial Directory 1814-15, that I've searched), cotton spinner at Carr Mill. His last entry is in Pigot 1834; Cotton waste spinner Hope's carr.
Samuel gets a mention in the 1845 Stockport Directory (read above) but not in the 1850 Bagshaw -his brother Ephraim is listed here: cotton spinner and candlewick manufacturer, Higher Hillgate.
I've found some interesting material on the [Hope's] Carr Mills but it's not contributed to my quest.
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Hi,
Could this be your man? - familysearch.org has the christening of a Samuel Hallman on 1 Dec 1811 at St Mary's Stockport - parents John Hallman and Mary.
Alan
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Just checked Stockport for the marriage of a John and Mary pre 1811 with no surnames, and found a John Holmes and Mary Mason married 27 Feb 1810.
Possible? I know I've got a massive change of surname in Budworth around the 1830's, only found my guy by searching where he said he was born by checking all the babies with his christian name around the right date.
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Could this be your man? - familysearch.org has the christening of a Samuel Hallman on 1 Dec 1811 at St Mary's Stockport - parents John Hallman and Mary.
Well possible! I had tried so many variations on the surname but hadn't found this entry. I also scanned the register and this one didn't 'hit' me. I'll check out the fiche copy of the original to see whether there is more information. Thank you!
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Just checked Stockport for the marriage of a John and Mary pre 1811 with no surnames, and found a John Holmes and Mary Mason married 27 Feb 1810.
Possible.. Mary was born at Gill Bent and was a widow aged 62 years according to the 1851 census. I can't find a Mary Mason christened at Cheadle St Mary or local nonconformist chapels but will dig into this deeper. First take a look at the original of the marriage. Thank you!
Neat trick searching without surname -I must add this to my search strategy!
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There is an image on one of the larger genealogy sites, it definitely says HALLMAN, only additional info is that he was born 23rd October, father of Stockport
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Marriage details
John Holmes a soldier bachelor and Mary Mason of said parish were married after Banns 27 Feb. 1810
Both left their mark (X) in register
Witnesses: Soloman Ashton and Wm Wilkinson
Both witnesses gave their signatures at other marriages in the book, possibly church officials
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This looks a good marriage
John ALLUM of Macclesfield a COTTON SPINNER and Mary HANKINSON of the same place married 21 August 1808 after Banns
He signed register she left her mark
Witnesses: Samuel Goodwin and Joseph Reddish
claire
EDIT: MARRIAGE AT PRESTBURY
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John ALLUM of Macclesfield a COTTON SPINNER and Mary HANKINSON of the same place married 21 August 1808 after Banns
Yes, this has been my top choice for a while. The was a Hankinson family in Macclesfield (southern part of Prestbury parish) but I haven't found a Gill Bent Mary born in the likely timeframe. There is a Mary Hankinson christened at Hale and Shaw's Lane Presbyterian, born 20 Aug 1793, Hale. However, there is a Mary Ankinson, unmarried, aged 57 years born Timperley in the 1851 census that may match this christening.
So this is a possible marriage but would like to find a Mary born abt 1789 in the Cheadle Hulme area to clinch...
If we accept Samuel being born in 1810 the we probably would expect another child -possibly died young- born 1809-ish
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There are a lot of Hankinsons in the NC registers, have you ruled out the one at Manchester Cross Street Presbyterian ~ bn 13 july 1792, bapt. 20 Aug. 1792.
Daughter of John and Elizabeth
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...John Holmes a soldier bachelor and Mary Mason of said parish were married after Banns 27 Feb. 1810...
John Holmes b 1793 Templemere, Tipperary, 79th Foot was in Heaton Norris, pensioner and cutler with wife Mary b Ireland in the 1861 census.
The timeframe is good but I can't trace a Mary MASON born in Cheadle Hulme abt 1789 to match the 1851 census findings of John's widow. Her age is confirmed from the monumental inscription. Mary the wife of John was born 'Cheshire' from the 1841 census. Need a Mary MASON born Gill Bent to clinch it and I've found no trace.
Pity...
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Didn't the father John Hallam die c1835 ? If the Holmes family can be found in 1861 they can be ruled out, unless it's a totally different couple :(
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There are a lot of Hankinsons in the NC registers... Manchester Cross Street Presbyterian ~ bn 13 july 1792, bapt. 20 Aug. 1792...
I can see Mary the widow of John HALLAM in the 1841 [b Cheshire] and 1851 [b Gill Bent] census. The obit and MI confirm her birth in 1789. Therefore a 1792 birth rules out Manchester Mary and a baptism in Manchester is unlikely when there were Presbyterian Chapels much nearer to the place of birth (both Stockport and Altrincham). There are a lot of Hankinsons!
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MARY MAISON bpt. 29 July 1787 Pott Shrigley dau of Edward and Ann , Cheshire ~ Closest I can find at 5 miles from Cheadle
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Have you found Mary in 1861 census ?
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Didn't the father John Hallam die c1835 ? If the Holmes family can be found in 1861 they can be ruled out, unless it's a totally different couple :(
Yes, John HALLAM was christened 25 May 1786 Stockport High Street Presbyterian Chapel. It's very unlikely he would have been born in Ireland. And the 1861 census finding rules out the 1810 John 'Holmes' marriage as a candidate.
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Have you found Mary in 1861 census ?
In 1841 a spinner living on Canal Street, Stockport, with her daughters Phoebe and Elizabeth. In 1851 widowed, a spinner aged 62 years (born Gill Bent) living on Canal Street, Stockport with her daughter Elizabeth. Not found her in the 1861 census.
Died 30 Apr 1867 in Stockport.
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Hi,
Possible for Mary in 1861 census - shown as Mary Walton (Higher Hillgate, Stockport) - widow.
There is a will for Mary Hallam showing on Ancestry - died 30 April 1867.
Alan
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Possible for Mary in 1861 census - shown as Mary Walton (Higher Hillgate, Stockport) - widow.
Thank you, I have checked this out and this Mary 'WALTON' looks like it is probably Mary HALLAM the mother of Samuel.
There is a will for Mary Hallam showing on Ancestry - died 30 April 1867.
Thank you again, I'll order the document from Cheshire Archives; it may well have useful information.
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Hi,
There is a will for Mary Hallam showing on Ancestry - died 30 April 1867.
Alan
FindMyPast have a Cheshire Wills & Probate collection, with access to the originals
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Well spotted it is a view of Mary's Will, unfortunately there is no mention of Samuel but bequests to her other children.
Claire
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You may have already seen this but just in case ...........
There are two photo's of a headstone dedicated to Ephraim Hallam on Stockport Image Archives.
It's very difficult to read but I think it says died 1897.
http://www.stockport.gov.uk
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Family Search have school records for this family. Samuel and Ephraim Allum father Jno
Phoebe and the rest are Hallam father John.
It might be worth sending an email to Stockport Heritage on the above link to see if there is any other info to be found in the Stockport Sunday School archives.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i7n/
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Well spotted it is a view of Mary's Will, unfortunately there is no mention of Samuel but bequests to her other children.
Tx PC and Claire. Too late, I have shelled out £4 for a copy from Cheshire Archive! Based on the above listed Trade Directory information, I suspect Samuel died between 1845 and 1850, with brother Ephraim giving up his pharmacy business to take over the family business of waste cotton spinning -this activity was a Stockport speciality and the middle Hope's Carr Mill was packed with small businesses doing it. The only entry in the index to deaths I have found that looks likely is Samuel 'ELLAM' Mar Q 1845.
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You may have already seen this but just in case ...........
There are two photo's of a headstone dedicated to Ephraim Hallam on Stockport Image Archives.
It's very difficult to read but I think it says died 1897.
http://www.stockport.gov.uk
I have visited the Borough Cemetery and seen and photographed. Besides this 'necropolis' there are several relatives buried nearby with useful information on the headstones. -It's always a good idea to check out the neighbours!
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Family Search have school records for this family. Samuel and Ephraim Allum father Jno
Phoebe and the rest are Hallam father John.
It might be worth sending an email to Stockport Heritage on the above link to see if there is any other info to be found in the Stockport Sunday School archives.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i7n/
I plan to visit Stockport Heritage Centre next week so I'll put the Sunday School Archives on the list of items to look at -I vaguely remember seeing these enties before but I haven't documented it in my notebook!
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Hi
Not sure this is the death you want, a corresponding burial record
Samuel ELLAMS buried 21 March 1845 aged 46 ( bn c1799) Stockport Municipal Cemetery
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Hi
Not sure this is the death you want, a corresponding burial record
Samuel ELLAMS buried 21 March 1845 aged 46 ( bn c1799) Stockport Municipal Cemetery
Thanks Claire. Unfortunately aged 46 in 1845 puts this burial out of consideration. I reckon the oldest 'my' Samuel could have been was 40 years and if the 1810 Hallman baptism above is the one, 35 years.
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Believe me I've been looking, wonder if he moved from the area after 1845, I just can't see a death
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This may be a complete red herring but I shall put it out there. What if Samuel didn't die ? What if he emigrated ?
There is a passport application for a Samuel Hallam dated 14th Sept. 1852 along with a J M Fogg.
Samuels sister Elizabeth married a David Fogg.
Just thoughts
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There is a Samuel Hallum born 1810 on a New York passenger list.
Left England 1846 bound for Pennsylvania.
A carder by trade.
As you no doubt know a carder is a cotton mill term so it's quite possibly your man.
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Do you have Samuel on the 1841 census? I can't see him anywhere.
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Well spotted rolnora :)
Think FS have him on an American census too. Born c1810 England.
Claire
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I don't think anyone can spot him in 1841 census :(
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Thanks Claire,
I thought I might have missed it on one of the posts ;D
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Could this be a possible for 1841? If it is it's not much help ;D
Samuel Hallam 30 Army not born in County
HO107 Piece 1338 Folio 30 Page 4
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I like the Samuel Hallum born 1810 on an 1846 New York passenger list, a carder by trade. The Hallam family business of waste cotton spinning was built on a specialisation in carding.
I haven't found Samuel in any of the UK census returns but haven't checked out the US censuses. rolnora's HO107 Piece 1338 Folio 30 Page 4 is a possible.
I haven't been able to find any J M FOGG as a relation of Samuel so haven't strengthened the chances of the passport application in 1852 being a hit.
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Yes I checked the Fogg family out too, to a certain extent. No joy.
But as we can see no British records for Samuel, I think it could well be that Samuel emigrated.
claire
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...But as we can see no British records for Samuel, I think it could well be that Samuel emigrated.
I'll redouble efforts to find Samuel in the 1851 census return -if I can't find him then the 1846 passage to the US looks likely.
Did you find a possible hit in the 1850 US census?
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Hi Here's a link but this guy is a farmer, so he could have changed occupations, will dig a bit further, 1870 American census.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHWH-SC?i=6&wc=92KK-MNB%3A518684301%2C519402201%2C519856001%3Fcc%3D1438024&cc=1438024
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I have revisited my search for Samuel in census returns, focussing on 1851. Still no success. Also no firm evidence for a death.
Even if he had emigrated, I would have expected his mother Mary's 1867 will to have some mention of him, if only the shilling. In another will that I read, mother wrote that if her eldest ever returned (he was doing well in Australia, where he went voluntarily), he was due the farm -he didn't come back - says something about the farm!
Hi Here's a link but this guy is a farmer, so he could have changed occupations, will dig a bit further, 1870 American census...
Nice find, thank you!
The cotton manufacturing business took off in the US after their Civil War and was concentrated in New England. The 'Lancashire' cotton business took a nose dive in the early 1840s and this might explain Sam's departure; if he had hung on, then he would have been sitting pretty because the end of the 1840s was a boom time for cotton, from which little brother Ephraim seems to have benefitted! Anyway, if Sam had emigrated in 1846 he would not have found an environment conducive to his trade and if he persevered, places like Providence RI or Boston MA are the places he would go. I am useless at US research and would really appreciate help on this because this story is getting interesting!
Ronald E Wayland has 'claimed' farmer Sam, as appears in the 1860 census, White IL. Ronald has transcribed much of his source material on his web pages and he has been thorough. He tracks farmer Sam to Staffordshire so if he is right, which I think he is, this is not my Sam. I am in contact with Ronald by email.
Sam is an elusive person!
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Elusive isn't the word. But it's a big old world out there, possibly try records for Australia and New Zealand.
I had a brief look in Canadian records where there was a Samuel from England residing there too, but definitely not your man, born in the late 1840's.
Back on the hunt :)
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There's a Samuel HALLUM in the 1870 US census, aged 62 years living in Pickens county SC (cotton growing country). This looks possible because it fits in with the above mentioned 1846 immigration, which I like. However, there were Hallums that lived in Pickens Co from the late 18th century so this Samuel may have been born there -I don't have access to the census source material.
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Hi, this Samuel Hallum states he was born in SC and was of mixed race.
Not sure why FS isn't working for me this morning, but you should be able to see the image of that census information. :(
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Hi,
Could this be your man? - familysearch.org has the christening of a Samuel Hallman on 1 Dec 1811 at St Mary's Stockport - parents John Hallman and Mary.
Alan
I got to check the parish register this afternoon. Irritatingly, the register is definitely Hallman. The only additional information is that the birth was on 23 October.
There are no other likely christenings to John and Mary Hallman (yes, I've seen the John and Mary Allmond entries) and this is the only candidate christening for 'my man' that I have seen. So it's pencilled in.
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Found groom Samuel HALLUM bachelor of full age, candlewick manufacturer of Richmond St [south side of Manchester city centre], son of John HALLUM candlewick manufacturer (doesn't mention John was dead) married to Catharine SUMMERS at Manchester Collegiate Church 10 April 1846. The witnesses are Joseph BIRCH and Charles ANDREW (Samuel's brother Ephraim married a relation of Charles).
This looks good to me and I have turned my attention to Manchester but still haven't found him. I'll survey Trade Directories tomorrow.
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So he may well have been in New York in June 1846 having married in Manchester in April
The 30th at that time was a Cambridgeshire Regiment and there is no reason I know why he might have signed up but he following could explain why he was elusive...
Robbery by a Soldier. — The police are actively engaged in endeavouring to apprehend Samuel Hallum, of the 30th Regiment of Foot, who, it appears, had absconded from his regiment, having taken with him the sum of 70/., , the property of the paymaster
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There is an image on one of the larger genealogy sites, it definitely says HALLMAN, only additional info is that he was born 23rd October, father of Stockport
There are multiple references to his younger brother, Ephraim, being born 11 March 1812. I think this rules out this christening (ie with a birth only 5 months before that of his brother) as the one that I am interested in.
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Have double checked both baptisms, Samuel HALLMAN can definitely be ruled out. Ephraims baptism definitely says birth was March 11th baptized 12 April 1812
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Found groom Samuel HALLUM bachelor of full age, candlewick manufacturer son of John HALLUM candlewick manufacturer married to Catharine SUMMERS at Manchester Collegiate Church 10 April 1846...
There's a likely Catherine SUMMERS, cotton worker aged '20 years' born Ireland living in Prestbury in the 1841 census. I've searched adjacent pages in this census but not found Samuel.
There is a death of a Catherine SUMMERS aged 8 years registered in the Heaton Norris subdistrict, Sep Q 1856 (don't have the cert so do not know the reporter). I've searched for a corresponding birth/christening but no success. Can you find a daughter to Samuel and Catherine?
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Samuel is in the 1845 Stockport Directory: candlewick manufacturer Ridgeway La Mill, House Leigh St [Stockport]; brother Ephraim and his mother Mary as cotton spinners.
Interestingly, there are newspaper announcements (eg Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser 17 May 1845) of the dissolution of the partnership of M and E Hallum cotton candlewick manufactureres of Stockport. This would be mother Mary and brother Ephraim.
In 1846 Ephraim, who had been a councillor, stood again as a candidate councillor for St Thomas' Ward but was not elected (but was re-elected in 1855). Maybe a whiff of scandal associated with the family?
It looks like the mid 1840s was an important time for these Hallams but I am unsure what was going on.
My 'take' is that Samuel got into some kind of trouble (something to do with his marriage or maybe he was the Samuel the soldier-thief), emigrated and changed his name. We'll probably not find out.
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I'd go with him getting into some sort of trouble. His mother never included him in her Will.
Unless he left, and they were not aware where he went.
It's quite a mystery, isn't it.