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can some one find anything on wilfred smith his marriage was in 1923 at easington to ellen spry his dad was named as fredrick , [ wilfred was a locomotion driver ] he was 27yr , he died 1975 at sunderland 79yr , so acording to this info above makes his birth around 1896 , i would like to find him in the census and with his parents and sibblings also his place of birth ,
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Hi, A possible in 1901 at Askham Bryan, West Riding of Yorks is:
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Fredk T Smith Head M 41 Skelton Nr York, Yorkshire
Charlotte Smith Wife F 41 Acomb Nr York, Yorkshire
Hilda M Smith Daughter F 12 Askham Bryan Nr York, Yorkshire
Wilfred Smith Son M 5 Askham Bryan Nr York, Yorkshire
Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X954-7P8 : 29 August 2015), Wilfred Smith in household of Fredk T Smith, Askham Bryan, Yorkshire (West Riding), England; from "1901 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing Tadcaster subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
Ray
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thank you ,
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I assume you have his marriage certificate. What was the occupation of his father and who were the witnesses?
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no i dont have marriage cert , you see i found my sister through DNA and am meeting her for the first time on monday next we are communicating through email , she has the marriage cert but i have just emailed her and waiting for a reply with the info you asked , we had same father but different mother , but both her and myself cant find more info on wilfred but in 1955 at ymca in newcastle he is as wilfred h smith locomotion driver
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Likely birth registered Q3 1895 Tadcaster 9c 918.
Wilfred seems to have been a popular name at the time - there are another 3 registered in Tadcaster before 1900. The one from Q4 of 1896 apparently died in 1903.
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Hi
The death registered in Sunderland 1975 gives his DoB as 13 Dec 1896, so a likely birth registration (presuming this information is correct) would be in the Dec. Qtr 1896 or Jan Qtr 1897
claire
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thank you i dont know if he is mine all i know is in 1953 he was at st nicholas newcastle ward YMCA as winfred h smith with his daughter doris spry smith and jean chapelhow [ his daughter doris was a red cross nurse ] wilfred was a locomotion driver in 1953 on his daughters marriage witness are j chapelhoe and wa ross and on wilfreds marriage to ellen spry in 1923 his father was named as fredrick this is all i know
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yes iv looked for the birth and all i found was wilfred harry smith dec 1896 at ashton , then wilfred harry smith dec 1896 at ashby , but no fathers names
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i have just had a email off my sister and on the marriage it says father fredrick smith shipbuilder thats all it says any help to find him will be appreciated
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Hhmm not finding a Fredrick in 1911 with this sort of occupation. Could mean that he actually built ships/boats or he worked in a shipyard.
Can you tell me where Wilfred was living at the time of his marriage and who the witnesses were. Might give a clue of some sort.
I wonder if you may be able to find more information about Wilfred through his locomotive driver records. One slight snag is that you would need to know which train company he worked for.
I notice that he has now become Wilfred H when on the marriage certificate he appears to be just Wilfred.
Who was the informant on his death certificate? Anything helpful to trace from that?
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wilfred got married to ellen spry march 1923 at easington , iv tryed looking for wilfred on the locomotive records but found nothing and as for the wilfred H smith it is on this thread how i found the H in 1953 doris his daughter was on the parlimentart and local govement electoral roll at st nicholas ward saville place ymca at newcastle , also with her was wilfred H smith [ im presuming her dad ] , jean chapelhow one of doris,s witnesses at her wedding i dont know who wilfreds witness were
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Do you know which railway company Wilfred worked for?
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i honestly dont know , all i know is what iv put on this thread ... his daughter doris spry smith [ a only child that i know of ] was married in 1953 at newcastle and her father as iv explaind above was with her in saville place YMCA in 1953
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would a blacksmith come under boilermaker ?
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Not too sure that they are the same thing.
A blacksmith is someone who works iron with forge and hammer.
A boilermaker is someone who makes metal boilers for generating steam.
So sort of related but not quite the same.
Has anyone got the death certificate for the Wilfred who died in 1975, birth date given as 13 December 1896? If not perhaps it would be worth while getting it to check who registered the death.
I find it a little odd that he is just Wilfred on his marriage certificate but is Wilfred H on the electoral roll and then back to plain Wilfred on the 1975 death registration, assuming that this is the correct Wilfred.
Could you ask you sister again for the witnesses names on Wilfred's marriage certificate? It would be interesting to see who they were. Family or friends?
Is there any address for Wilfred on his marriage certificate? It may be worth checking the electoral rolls for that address to see who was living there other than Wilfred.
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i have emailed her again this morning and waiting for a reply , on all that you have asked , but i have also asked her about her tree on it it has winfred as being born in hetton durham , when iv googled hetton it says its in n yorkshire 1896 but no more info on that apart from death 31 / 10 / 1975 and his marriage march 1923 easington i asked her did she get the hetton from his abode on marriage or some where else , and once i get answers i will post them on hear , i know iv searched ancestry at library [ my subscription ran out last week ] and family search and cant find anything possative iv even looked in 1939 register but cant find wilfred or his wife ellen or his daughter doris
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i have just searched again for hetton and there is one in durham
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The Wilfred Smith living in Askham Bryan with father Frederick has an army record on Anc*. When he enlisted his father was a Frederick Luke Smith (next of kin). This Wilfrid was a Bank Clerk on enlistment, no middle name on enlistment.
Maybe worth checking through that for any possible clues, or if there is a pension record.
Sorry can't be of much help, I'm currently on my phone but hopefully someone can check these records for you.
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thank you but thats a big drop to a locomotion driver from a bank clerk so i doubt if this is mine
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I've been kind of getting my brain whirring. Do you have the marriage certificate for his daughter Doris? If so what is her address at the time of marriage?
You could then do an electoral roll check on that address to see if her dad was living at the same address. If he was then I think you may be able to trace his railway record using that address.
If I have understood the information correctly an address will help in verifying which railway company he is most likely to have worked for. You could then either contact the National Railway Museum in York or the National Archives and ask their advice as to which company he could have worked for. Then hopefully search for employee records for that company.
Worth a try do you think?
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Wilfred was with his daughter in 1953 living at ymca saville row newcastle , the info is on this thread but 1953 was the only year he was with her she was there 1952 1951 it was hear that it says wilfred H smith
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Wilfreds daughters address on marriage was ymca saville row newcastle
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Ok so Newcastle could be a starting point to find out which railway company he could have worked for in the 1950s.
My knowledge of train companies is not great so perhaps you may wish to follow up my suggestion re National Railway Museum and National Archives.
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I have just looked at my notes on wilfred from years ago ,, in ymca with doris is NOT wilfred but WINIFRED smith that was 1953 also jean chapelhow , in 1952 doris smith with hilda smith , in 1951 doris smith with hilda smith all at ymca newcastle , but doris smith was the only child of wilfred and ellen birth june 1925 easington
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Oh my and presumably no idea who Winifred and Hilda are.
Ok how about the death of a Wilfred in 1975. Is this a death certificate that you have? If so who was the informant?
If you don't have this certificate then you may wish to consider obtaining it.
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Just had a email off my sister she said the certificate of marrage she has for wilfred and ellen spry was 1 jan 1923 at dalton le dale witness thomas ward and lilian spry and wilfred was a miner , yet onthe marriage of there daughter doris spry smith to my dad wilfred was a locomotion driver and i have wilfred and ellen ,s marriage as march 1923 easington re wilfreds death the informant was his daughter so something has gone wrong , which is the right marriageand occupation for wilfred
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Hi
As Easington is a colliery town and he was a miner could he have become a locomotive driver in the mines as opposed to a passenger rail line? Just a thought!
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Thats what im thinking , but the date and place of marriage to ellen spry dont coincide one in dalton lr dale jan 1923 and other march easington 1923
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A marriage that took place in January 1923 in Dalton le Dale would appear in GRO Index as March quarter 1923 Easington, Easington being the registration district for Dalton le Dale. So, nothing wrong with that.
Annette
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Hhmm. I've had a look at the 1911 census and found an Ellen with a Lilian as a younger sister. Her father is a coal miner hewer. She is one of ten children. Father's name is William. Is that the name that appears for Ellen's father on her marriage certificate?
The registration district is Easington which is the same for the marriage district.
It is quite possible that Wilfred met Ellen because he and her father worked at the same colliery. The transition from miner to locomotive driver is not therefore too great a change. Coal is still involved!
The March 1923 is the quarter in which the marriage was registered.
Re Wilfred's death - sounds like you have the right death cert for him if his daughter is listed as the informant. Was he listed as a widower and where did he die? In hospital or elsewhere?
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I dont no any more on wilfreds death , but we do have the spry family going back a few generations , its wilfred smith that we are stuck with ! Yes you have the right spry family
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Well this is so frustrating and confusing ,, my sister sent me another email confirming wilfred did become a train driver after his marriageto ellen spry they lived at murton moor just after they married and jean chapellhow was a freind of wilfreds daughter
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Right ok. I've looked on the map and see that Murton Moor is not too far distant from York. So it may well be that Wilfred worked for the London & North Eastern Railway.
The National Archives appear to have staff records for this company. See link below:-
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F173181
So maybe a visit to the National Archives could be considered? I've no idea what would appear in these records so they could be helpful or useless!
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murton moor is in durham not to far from easington , not the murton moor in york , im just going to pay and subscrib on ancestry to search all the records for wilfred and frdrick in that area , but thanks for helping
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I have just payed £19.99 to join abcestry to search for wilfred and still found nothing so money wasted .. cant even find them on the 1939 register
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Ancestry doesn't have the 1939 register; it's on FindMyPast.
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Yes i know 1939 register only on findmypast .. i went to my library twice to search it and cant find wilfred , his wife ellen or his child
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Yes i know 1939 register only on findmypast .. i went to my library twice to search it and cant find wilfred , his wife ellen or his child
Sorry, your message #35 suggests you couldn't find him on the 1939 having joined Ancestry.
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My mistake i didnt make myself very clear !!
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I don't know if this is useful or not but Doris was baptised 23 Apr 1925 at Holy Trinity, South Hetton, daughter of Wilfred (engineman) and Ellen Smith, their address was 28 Forster Street, from Durham Records Online.
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Hi
When you meet your sister will she be bringing the marriage certificate ? If you could get a copy or a sample of his signature you could compare it to army records that are available to you. Try and narrow him down that way.
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My sister has just had a message on ancestry , saying they are connected to her smith side and there smith side are american all this through DNA , could this be why no one can find frederick or his son,s birth wilfred etc , but they not give her any more info ,, how can i search for a connection to america ?
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Try familysearch - you may get lucky. There are some census on there. Plus if that death record for 1975 is correct that gave a DoB you could put that in the search box looking for a Wilfred that may have been born over there.
Also if you have a sub with Anc* try the incoming passenger lists. See if Wilfred crops up on a list - he may be American.
Claire
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Wilfred died in 1975 , i think your finger hit the wrong key !! , i have searched familysearch but will give it another go my sister said the connection was american/canadian ,,but my sister cant tell him wher the connection is with smiths as we cant find frederick and wilfred !!!
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Oops!! My mistake, will correct :)
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Hi
Have you seen the Canadian census for 1901? There is a H Wilfred Smith bn 1896 - father S Frederick Smith mother A Jane Smith. I don't understand the initial and then writing a middle name. This Frederick was born in England. His mother in Law is with them - an Elizabeth Howard.
Maybe worth looking into ?
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Thats interesting how do i get to see that , im on ancestry world subscription
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I'm not sure what the sub allows you to see having a World sub with anc* ( hopefully a Canadian census :)
But if you do a general on FS search for a Wilfred Smith bn 1895-1897 born Ontario, Canada
father: S Frederick Smith ( age 45 bn England)
mother : A Jane Smith (age 40 bn Ontario)
Elizabeth Howard (age 68 bn Ireland)
They are living in H Simcoe,( north/nord) Ontario
Hope this helps :)
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Canadian 1901 and 1911 censuses are available for free at this link...
http://automatedgenealogy.com
All Canadian censuses are available through anc* if you have a world sub. And also through the library edition, I believe.
PB
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The only wilfred i can see is with father archibold , i just dont know how to work canadian cesus
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Try putting H Wilfred Smith bn 1896 Ontario.
Wonder what that H stands for ?
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No i cant find them
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Does it give fredericks occupation ? I just cant work the census sorry
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I used the other link and couldn't find them at first. I searched for Elizabeth Howard. When I found the transcript Wilfred Frederick and Jane have the surname PRIEST.
So FS is either wrong or the other site is. My bet is on FS. Try looking for H WILFRED PRIEST age 5
If you can see the image, we will know one way or the other. :(
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No occupation it is just a transcript.
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If its priest then its not my smith!!
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Here (hopefully) is the image for the 1901 census...click on split screen at the top to see the image.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=17206&highlight=9&desc=1901+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Elizabeth+Howard
The transcript says Priest but the image looks like Smith to me. I'll leave it to you to judge the image.
PB
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I think the image looks a lot more like Priest than Smith.
The enumerator seems to have consistently put middle initial before given name. Maybe he was French-speaking; virtually all French abbreviations are the wrong way round to those of us with English as our first language.
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I can't see it :(
I'm praying its Smith :-\
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Iv found them but my tablet says no apps to view it !! I dont believe it
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I'm looking at the image and I have my doubts about it being Smith. S Frederick's occupation is farmer and H Wilfred's date of birth is given at 3rd October 1895 which would put this one out of contention if your Wilfred was born in 1896.
This Wilfred is stated as being Canadian so not British born.
The image is not a good one and it is quite difficult to read easily. I thought that the S for son did not look like the first letter of the surname.
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Well I'm not sure it's Priest either. Look at the surname PRIMROSE at the top of the page - that P looks nothing like the P in the 'Priest' name.
Girl guide look through the whole thread there is a possibility Wilfred or his family my have some American / Canadian background
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If frederick is a farmer its not my frederick , but i will ask the DNA cousin who contacted my sister if he has elizabeth howard in his tree , my frederick was a ship builder
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It looks like the Wilfred in the Canadian census will definitely not be yours. He appears to be a Wilfred Howard Priest b. 03 Oct 1895 in Vespra, Simcoe to parents Frederick Stephen Priest and Jane Anne Howard. This birth registration appears to match the info in that 1901 census record. Everyone seems to have their middle initial before their first name in that record.
Elizabeth Howard is down as Mother-in-law, visitor in the 1901 census.
PB
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Back to the drawing board... again :( :(
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Thank you anyway for helping me ... another day tomorrow on the pc searching again , iv got a headach from todays session !!!
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This maybe a longshot for Wilfred, there is this newspaper article:
Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail 21 August 1939 that refers to a Wilfred Smith, a locomotive driver, employed by South Durham Steel and Iron Company, and of 3 Kimberley Street, West Hartlepool who had his cycle stolen.
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Looking at the 1939 Register I don't think the newspaper report is for your missing Wilfred :(
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That's a shame, I know the OP couldn't find Wilfred on the 1939 register.
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It could be my wilfred , iv just come off the phone to my sister and she aid he had a geordie accent , and he was a train driver , , and his wife ellen was nellie for short , i was looking for ellen in 1939 register and there daughter married a man from hartlepool
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Wonder what his DoB is on the 1939 ?
If he had a Geordie accent, that's suggesting it's someone from England we should be looking for ???
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;D ???
Tried to keep up with this thread..but not doing too well.
Have we asked about Ellen SPRY's dob and if she would or would not be with Wilf* in 1939?
Canadian/American= geez-someone would have noticed an accent wouldn't they?
Father being a "shipbuilder" and son a loco* driver aka miner seems wrong to me.
You know those instincts .
Maureen (nee SMITH) :)
EDIT: Really sorry-didn't see the last few posts. DOH!!! :-[ :-[ :-[
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hi maureeniny , ellen { nellie } spry was born j/a/s 1901 easington her death was 1963 south hetton , wilfred death 1975 sunderland they married mar 1923 easington , there daughter birth 1925 easington and on the marriage of ellen and wilf he was a miner but just after he married ellen he bacame a locomotion driver , and his father was acording to the marriage , was named as frederick ship builder , , but i agree there is somthing amiss some where because they cannot be found any where , and she had contact from a cousin through DNA saying they shared 3 smith family in america / canada , but as she cant get beyond wilfred she cant confirm this
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just done another search in 1939 register for durham area and still cant find them i not only searched for ellen but also nellie
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From the newspaper report given, I wonder who is living at '3 Kimberley Road' West Hartlepool in 1939?
I couldn't see them on a search of 1939 either.
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It's the Wilfred Smith from the newspaper report, he was born 1911.
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I think the newspaper may have got the Road bit wrong. There is only a Kimberley STREET in West Hartlepool.
There is a Smith family living there one of whom is called Wilfred but he was born in 1911 and is single. Occupation locomotive shunter steel worker.
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that wilfred was born to late he would of been just 12 yr when he married !!!!
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i am wondering if his father could of been called wilfred ,,, i have a book on names and wilfred can be shortend to fred , and if he was only known called fred for short then maybe my willfred just thought he was frederick , ... im clasping at straws i know !"!
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Doris Spry Smith's baptism:
23rd April 1925
Holy Trinity, South Hetton
Doris Spry Smith of 28 Forster Street, Easington, born 31-Mar 1925, daughter of Wilfred (engineman) & Ellen Smith
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Is there any possibility that Wilfred was in fact illegitimate? Is that why the father's information seems a bit odd because it was made up?
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I had thought that myself girl guide, could be why we can't find anything.
Perhaps his mother/parents were not married when he was born. He could be registered as ' Blogs' and mum may have married Mr Smith at a later date.
There are different scenarios to consider here.
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i realy dont know but i must admit that it crossed my mind also , but i cant find a birth for him so i cant send for his record to see , all i know is what is on his marriage
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Found him in 1939, I don't know how much detail I can post, but if you search for Ellen Smith, date of birth 14 Jan 1882 (this is actually the date of birth of the man next door but it has been transcribed as Ellen's) you should find Walter, although he doesn't appear in the transcription.
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Congratulations Angelfish. I have had a look and it is indeed the right Wilfred. The date of birth is spot on and occupation is locomotive fireman. There is a start of what I take to be his place of work but not positive of that - (Colling..... Collingwood perhaps. Not familiar with the area.
Address is in the Easington district, another plus.
Underneath Ellen someone is down as This record is officially closed. I'm betting it is probably Doris as in theory she could be still alive.
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Thank you ;). I think it says colliery but it's not very clear. I've just realised I put Walter in my last post instead of Wilfred ::)
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Well done angelfish58
Right, if his DoB is 13 Dec 1896, then one of the below is the OP's Wilfred... just which one ?
Smith Wilfred Sheffield **** not him died 15th Nov. 1896 buried 18th Nov. Sheffield
Smith Wilfred Tadcaster
Smith Wilfred Allin Mansfield
Smith Wilfred Charles Burton
Smith Wilfred Downing R Mitford
Smith Wilfred George Cardiff **** not him birth and death reg. Cardiff 4th Qtr. 1896
Smith Wilfred Graham Wirral ****not him born 28th Oct 1896 from death reg. in 1972
Smith Wilfred Harry Ashton
Smith Wilfred Henry Ashby Z. ****not him born 22 Nov. 1896 from death reg. 1989
Smith Wilfred John Stoke D.
Smith Wilfred Meredith Farnham
Smith Wilfred Percival Newport, M.
Smith Wilfred Vaughan Guisbro' **** not him, died age 24 in Marske 1924
Smith Wilfred Greenwich
Smith Wilfred S. Shields
Smith Wilfred Stockton
Smith Wilfred Malton ***** not him born 5th Jan 1897
Smith Wilfred Edmund Bakewell **** born 8 Dec. 1896, bpt. Jan 1897 died Notts. 1977
Smith Wilfred Leslie Sculcoates
Any ideas how to eliminate them ? ;D ~ All births taken from 4th Qtr 1896 and 1st Qtr 1897
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I think if we can find some baptisms before Wilfreds birthdate of any of them, we could eliminate a couple
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I got the impression from an earlier post that he was plain Wilfred, so that would cut out any with second names.
I think there was also mention of him having a Geordie accent so that would suggest he came from the north somewhere.
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He had put an 'H' in one record found, yes I agree with him being a Geordie, but what if he was born down south and moved up north as a child ? He could pick up an accent
But I think we can do this ;D ;D
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Will amend the list as we find any evidence :)
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Found him in 1939, I don't know how much detail I can post, but if you search for Ellen Smith, date of birth 14 Jan 1882 (this is actually the date of birth of the man next door but it has been transcribed as Ellen's) you should find Walter, although he doesn't appear in the transcription.
;D ;D ;D
WOW! Well done! :) :)
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girlguide and angelfish58 thank you , iv just opened this record and all it says is ellen smith 14 jan 1882 , colliery enjine driver above ground [ no mention of fireman ] married , then doris smith 9 aug 1884 married , then william h simmons 25 jul 1894 stoneman underground married , im confused how can this be my family , it dosent say ant records are closed [ there daughter ] theres no mention of wilfred and all dates of birth are way out , please help me understand
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Sending a personal message
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thank you iv found it they are at number 2 not number 3 , thank you all so much and his birthday is the same as on his death brilliant , now to find more on him , im so very gratfull for all the help
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i have found this could it be my family ?? 1901 census
frederick smith blacksmith 1860 shelton n/yorkshire
charlotte 1860 acome n / york
hilda m 1889 acome
WILFRED 1896 ASKAM BRYAN NR YORK
we know wilfreds father fredrick was a ship builder acording to his marriage certificate , could the above frederick a blacksmith be a shipbuilder as in blacksmith be a shipbuilder , i think they were living at blacksmith cottage
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The Askham Bryan Wilfred, son of Frederick and Charlotte was baptised 29 Nov 1895, so a year older than your Wilfred.
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AW i realy thought i found him for a minute !!!!!
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There's an intriguing record for a Wilfred Smith dob 13 Dec 1895 rather than 1896, National Schools Admissions Register, Sunderland Industrial School, mother Eleanor Jane Smith. Haven't checked them out on the census yet......
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now that is interesting how can i search this
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The original of the record shows that Wilfred had a brother so I looked for brother whose name is John William born October 1894.
The address on Wilfred's record (year is 1907) is shown as 14 Charles Street and father dead.
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that is briliant thank you very much .. how can i find more on this , how can i find eleanors husband etc and what industry was wilfred training for if it tells you
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will i be able to view this record on ancestry ?
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Right well I found a death which is probably Eleanor's husband:-
Deaths Jun 1901
Smith John William 32 Sunderland 10a 322
This gives a birth year of 1869 which is the same on the 1901 census
The reference for the 1901 census is RG13 Piece No. 4705 Folio 39 Page 70
I found Eleanor on the 1911 census at the same address, 14 Charles Street, with a surname of WELSH.
Perhaps others could have a look and compare the two census records. The children listed as step son are slightly puzzling. One appears to have been born four years after the death of John William Smith!
I cannot come up with a marriage for Eleanor to Matthew Welsh between 1901 and 1911. The 1911 record says they have been married for 16 years!
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aw so this wilfred is not mine then as his father was frederick is that correct ?
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I don't really know. The father of this family died in 1901 when Wilf was just five. This Wilf has a brother called Frederick. Could Wilf have put his brother down as father as he couldn't remember or didn't know his father's first name?
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you say wilfred had a brother called frederick ? i thought you said above he was called john william where did you find he had a brother frederick ?
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The brother is listed on the 1901 census for which I gave the reference so that you can find it for yourself. That's the bit about the Piece No., Folio and Page No.
I'll pm you re 1911.
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i found them in 1911 but i can not find wilfreds in 1911 , report
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Sent you a pm.
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im not a paying member on findmy past , just on ancestry no wonder i couldnt find him !!
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if you could tell me what he was studdying at school i will know if he was my wilfred as all he did was a miner and train driver for the mines
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There's quite a bit of information online about industrial schools which you might find interesting.
Are we getting closer to either ruling this Wilfred out or keeping him as a possible?
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The census doesn't tell you what they studied. I can't even see what the address was for the school. It is referred to as a Home Office School.
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whats on my mind abouth this one is his father not being frederick , but as you said he could of named his brother on the marriage , i also found a wilfred smith in 1911 census 1898 living with grandparents birth winlaton durham james gray 1855 bill quay and sarah e gray 1855 washington i have traced this family back to 1891 and there are 2 daughters missing in 1901 census names mary e gray 1875 and jane gray 1879 in 1911 they are living in winlaten
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There must be two school records showing, another lists his name as Wilfred John Smith DoB 20th January 1896 address 26 Charles Street ~ Garden Street Council School - Infants
Sunderland industrial School ~ http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/SunderlandBoysIS/
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This is the frustrating thing about researching a common surname of which Smith unfortunately is one.
It can be a very long process trying to find the right one especially when the information seems a little odd, like that of Wilfred's father apparently being a ship builder.
Anyone have any ideas about tracing Wilfred's employment record as a locomotive driver for a colliery? I am assuming that he worked at the Easington Colliery as that is where he was living in 1939.
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i just give up !!!! as much as we search we still cant find a wilfred with father frederick , i meet my sister tomorrow and was hoping to give her some good news , but i want to thank all who have gone out of there way to helping this exhasting task !!
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What have the family got in the way of letters, school reports, photos etc. etc which may or may not assist in your quest?
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Well I was going to add getting in touch with these
http://www.dmm.org.uk/archives/index.htm
Looking at the school record I've just seen, I think that Wilfreds father may not have been Frederick, he possibly just said that . It maybe he didn't like to remember his childhood. Going by that industrial school record ~ he was found begging :( ~ not uncommon if he had lost his father and his mother had other mouths to feed.
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we have no other info on wilfred apart from whats on hear , i would love to see them school reports
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are the school records only viewable on findmy past
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Did you read my PM
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Yes I think they are only on that website
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They are not school records as such. They are Admission records, just giving ages, address and basic background info.
I think that given the DoB is correct bar the year being wrong, it's the closest thing that has been found ~ the right area too. Plus a brother Frederick, I really think the others have found some good info here this morning :)
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claire i have just seen it but it will not let me reply by personal message , it just wont let me , i would love to see all the school reports etc ,
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claire they have been amaising in what they have found for me , im over the moon with there help , and every thing they have found , but this site will not let me reply to personal messages , im anoyed at that
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claire i think iv managed to reply to your message
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Got it ;D
Sending them on to you now ;D
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got 2 pictures thank you so much , i will go to labrary and look on there familysearch and look for them all and print them off
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i realy want to thank every one who has helped me on this , i honestly think that the wilfred you found is the one im looking for and only you,s found him not only in the 1939 register THANK YOU for that and all so all of the info you,s have painstakenly searched for and found for me ... i will go to library next week to look for more on his admission records and print them off as im not a member of the familysearch site , A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL
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just to let every one know i met my sister [ found through DNA ] on monday we are 199% sure that this wilfred is our grandad , my sister was over the moon with all the info found on him and does remember her grandmother wilfreds wife saying that he had a very hard life while growing up , again a big thank you and i am going to research this wilfred even further
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I'm very happy you have met your sister. For what it's worth I couldn't see him on any military database on Anc* or F M P but I'm glad this has had a happy ending for you.
:)
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i also want to say my newfound sister is a lovely woman and her being a only child was thrilled at finding each other she gave me lots of photograhs , and said on her dads [ my dad ] death bead tryed to tell her she had a sister , also so did her mother befor she died , and we met at 1pm and didnt leave till 7ish and she was crying and didnt want us to part what a lovely woman and experience and feeling to find a sibbling you never knew you had and probably wouldt have found if it wasnt for DNA , but unfortunatly my sisiter who i grew up with wont accept all of this and says DNA is a load of rubbish and cannot find family members through it [ sibblings ] but she is SO SO wrong !!! and will not accept my new found sister
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I'm very happy you have met your sister. For what it's worth I couldn't see him on any military database on Anc* or F M P but I'm glad this has had a happy ending for you.
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thank you i was going to search them for wilfred but seeing that you cant find any military records then i wont bother looking
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Unfortunately being quite a popular name it makes the search so much harder, plus more than half of service records were destroyed in 1940 when a bombing raid struck the War Office repository.
I will keep a look out for anything though :)
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thank you so much im phoning my sister on wednesday i will ask if she knows what he done in the war .. but would he have active dutes with him being a miner ??? and his age ?
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I think he had to be aged between 18 and 38 ( but couldn't be posted overseas until he was 19) and taller that 5ft 3in. So he possibly did something. I should think a miner would still have to do their bit but I'm not sure.
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thank you i didnt know that , i will also look